Skip to comments.Obama's Online "Birth Certificate" is Not Evidenciary, Says Professional Forensic Document Examiner
Posted on 12/29/2008 9:36:02 PM PST by unspun
While addressing your attention to the featured article in The Right Side of Life, I.O. suggests one potential and essential reason that Barack Obama has spent approximately one million dollars to keep his actual Hawaiian birth certificate undisclosed:
Whatever it shows or fails to show, as to his place of birth, his Hawaiian birth certificate ostensibly demonstrates that Barack Hussein Obama I is his father. While not a new revelation, that would become compelling procedural evidence that he is not a natural born Citizen and is therefore not constitutionally permitted to be U.S. president.
On the other hand, Sandra Ramsey explains why Obama's "online COLB" is not evidence.
Keyes v. Lingle: Case Dismissed; Forensic Examiner Disproves Online COLBNow, one cannot say this online COLB is evidence of absolutely nothing. That is because it is "natural" evidence of its own existence, also that it is purported to be about Obama's citizenship. It is "natural" evidence of this, because that is self-evidently true, even though the online COLB is not the evidence it is purported to be (of Obama being an American citizen of any kind). And that, by the way, may become criminal evidence of fraud.Submitted by Phil on Mon, Dec 29, 2008Another case that had been flying under the radar was Keyes v. Lingle, where the Constitution Party and Dr. Amb. Alan Keyes were petitioning against Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle, Chief Elections Officer Kevin B. Cronin, and various other Defendants as a means of holding an official accountable for determining Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility.
You will notice that the case was dismissed on a technicality (according to the judge, the Plaintiffs referred to the wrong Hawaiian statute(s)), not on content.
However, the bigger story to this lawsuit is the fact that forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines (pictured) has documented in an associated affidavit (PDF) the following:
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all. [emphasis mine]
The above clearly illustrates that it is impossible to determine eligibility based on the widely-circulated certification of live birth and that the only way to determine Barack Hussein Obama’s natural born citizenship status is to retrieve the currently-sealed certificate of live birth.
It appears that we’re dealing with an individual who has so much to hide on so little a document.
Why did I even write that? I am writing that to explain what "natural" means, in law. It means self-evident. E.g., a person demonstrably born to American parents in America is a natural born Citizen of America, but a person born to a foreign father and who thusly takes on his father's citizenship in another nation is not a natural born Citizen of America. That is, his citizenship is not self-evident, rather unclear, in doubt, needs further work, adulterated, etc., since one may be a citizen of only one nation at a time and international law holds that this person is a citizen of his father's nation, by hereditary right. That is what the term, natural born Citizen means, in Article II of the United States Constitution.
FYI. IMHO, the likely reason that Obama has invested $1M in hiding his Hawaiian birth certificate is that he is thereby danged wherever he was born. Something that even Anthony Kennedy may be compelled to observe.
Obama, like Kerry, could put all this controversy to an end by simply releasing his records.
The media is Obama’s lap dog, so they won’t hold him accountable.
He could have presented a COLB drawn with crayon on notebook paper and the MSM would say “Good enough for us!”
Yes, if by MSM you mean our familiar marxstream media.
BTW, you have a tagline of excellence and eminence.
Anyone can put anything on the Internet, and nothing is proved. Okenyan’s argument is that he doesn’t have to prove he is a US citizen, because he is one. Before this fraud is through, a lot of other illegals will be claiming the same thing. He’s making a joke out of the Constitution, and the joke will eventually be on the dupes who have bought into his con job.
He could have sat on a giant ink pad and left his azz print as proof of NB for POTUS.
The DNC & MSM would say, “That’s good enough for us!”
His father could be Porky Pig and it doesn't matter. The key is WHERE he was born.
I also have as my best guess that he was born in winter of 1960, when SA Dunham was un deraged, and the COLB and newspaper announcement fraud was concocted to cover for way back when the birth occurred, to prevent Frank Davis or some other man perhaps in Washington State from being prosecuted for statutory rape. If that is the case, the man is eligible for president and we will have to take it in stride.
I actually feel a twinge of sadness for Barry, having to live with so much deceit in his life which twisted him so badly.
But he has manipulated to gain hundreds of millions and ultimate power, so he deserves to be exposed for the fraud he is. He lies and perjures himself to prevent admission of his past. Nothing is off limits to such a wicked man.
All we are saying is
Give surcease a chance
And all we can do is push this issue to the nth degree
until it starts getting in front of voting and/or cognizent
It is highly frustrating that such a simple request for a true BC has been so denied.
It leaves our government with no credibility.
That is solely the result of the Democrat Party and their sycophantic marxistmedia. The collecting and use of hundreds of millions for a fraudlent candidate is the fualt of the DNC. If riots occur because the affirmativea ction fraud is exposed and rejected for president, the DNC is responsible for the rising mayhem and rioting. It should cause the Democrat party to be destroyed, but alas the enemedia will protect their socialist societal engineers at all cost, even the blatant truth. There are people, like David Axelrod, not just Barry Obama, who know the truth and have chosen to commit this scam for empowerment ... such a chicagoesque scenario don’tchaknow!
>It leaves our government with no credibility.<
What good is a Constitution if it is selectively ignored? If the truth will ever be discovered, those who knew it but kept silent, should all be relieved of their offices and should be denied their fat government pensions.
(e) If the applicant, or any other party, individual, or group with a candidate on the presidential ballot, objects to the finding of eligibility or disqualification the person may, not later than 4:30 p.m. on the fifth day after the finding, file a request in writing with the chief election officer for a hearing on the question. A hearing shall be called not later than 4:30 p.m. on the tenth day after the receipt of the request and shall be conducted in accord with chapter 91. A decision shall be issued not later than 4:30 p.m. on the fifth day after the conclusion of the hearing.
So according to the court in Hawaii, he could have only made a challenge on the fifth day after finding of eligibility. That would have been when Obama filed his papers to be on the ballot - before his name actually appeared on the ballot.
Now this is what Keyes filed under:
Contests for cause; generally. With respect to any election, any candidate, or qualified political party directly interested, or any thirty voters of any election district, may file a complaint in the supreme court. The complaint shall set forth any cause or causes, such as but not limited to, provable fraud, overages, or underages, that could cause a difference in the election results. The complaint shall also set forth any reasons for reversing, correcting, or changing the decisions of the precinct officials or the officials at a counting center in an election using the electronic voting system.
So in cases where fraud is found out after an election, a case may be brought. In the Keyes case, forensic document examiner submitted an affidavit claiming his online COLB was not genuine. If it is not genuine, then it is a case of fraud. But it seems the Hawaii courts don't want to look at that and instead point to a statute which has no relevance since the election has already taken place.
If Barack Obama is not allowed to take the oath of office because he is not a citizen, one might expect riots. But there is another possibility that is being overlooked. Perhaps if a suitable substitute were provided, no fear of riots would be necessary. A person of integrity, gravitas and character. I refer, of course, to Cynthia McKinney.
Except that his fraud would be an impeachable offense. But, might as well stack that hypothesis on the list. Why not? There is no evidence that states otherwise!
Nope. Only WHERE matters as any illegal alien knows.
The DNC & MSM would say, Thats good enough for us!
Don't give them any ideas...
Thanks for your excellent analysis. Yet another cover-up via court. Now we know why the big, black robes.
You have been provided the documentation of what natural born Citizen means. Those who write should first read.
Hawai’i is a liberal hell so any complicity with the affiramtive action candidate’s fraud is to be expected. Folks seem to think because Lingle is a Republican she will protect the law and Constitution. How was she eloected by such a liberal state if she is so conservative and lawfully inclined? The answewr is obvious, just like how Romeny was elected in liberal hell hole, Mass. They are not true conservatives. Lingle may also be compromised/blackmailable on issues of her sexual preferences. HI voters wouldn’t care about her sexual preferences, but blackmailers can use such things to great effect, like rpelacing simple documents witht he governor ‘looking the other way’.
To be more serious, if the exposure of this fraud is handled properly, it is black people who will be the most outraged at this lying perjuring defrauding prick who bilked them for millions to run his fraudulent campaign! Sadly, the media isn't likely to allow the full truth to come out in all the gory details and it will tear this nation apart for a short while. I only hope the media professional liars are destroyed along with buildings they infest.
The one thing the courts in Hawaii do not want is a cse where there is an allegation of the COLB being a forgery. The only way the other side can counteract it is to produce an actual certified copy of the long form to the court. They will do their best to keep that from ever happening.
“Conventional Wisdom” is NOT the law, as many, apparently including you, have yet to discover.
Folks like “plain talk” don’t care about learning. They only parrot what they think they know. You are wasting your time providing documentaton and analysis.
Then again, the worse the State SC’s behave, the more attention that tends to get from the SCOTUS (i.e., Bush v. Gore).
Donofrio knew this, but he may have played out early.
So if his father was Stalin, or Hitler, just because he was squeezed on US soil makes him one of US? I disagree.
Just shows the Hawaii courts,MSM,democrats,unwashed,idiots,ACORN are in the tank for Obama
I've also reiterated the point (as I am doing again ) that the intent and subsequent outcomes from the creation and distribution of a false identification document is still an act of fraud that will continue to exist as a chargeable offense, regardless of what transpires in Congress or the Judicial System.
The law is very clear on what constitutes the creation and use of a false identification document, and it matters not that the fraudulent document is in an electronic medium, given that electronic copies of a document, like faxes, can suffice as valid alternatives, if not for the long term, then certainly for the short term where the paper originals will still need to be provided. Even in the latter case, electronic copies are acceptable, in most cases, to begin legal or governmental procedures, and it's only when the evidence goes to the court that originals are required. An example of this is when I faxed, and also emailed as a PDF file, my Affidavit.
Consider also that this bogus COLB has been used to obstruct legal proceedings, and to stifle governmental investigations into Obama's true origins.
Thanks, excellent point. The laws are there but the bureaucrats and their courts just ignore them.
However, it looks like to me that all this case was, was an attempt to bar him from the ballot without attempting to get access to the vault copy of Obama's birth certificate.
In essence, this may have only been another Alan Keyes publicity stunt.
I'm beginning to believe that were being played for stupid.
Does Hawaii have a Freedom of Information Act? Why hasn't anyone made a request under it to the Hawaiian Department of Health for the vault copy? Such a decision would be reviewable by the courts if it is not granted?
Why hasn't anyone made a Freedom of Information Action (FOIA) request of the State Department for Barack Obama's passport file? That denial is certainly reviewable by the US District Court for DC or by the Federal District Court in which the citizen who made the request resides.
This is not going away after January 2009, come what may ever come.
One of these Obama non-citizenship cases is going to hit!
Numerous requests have been made. All denied. A lawsuit was filed with the state and was dismissed on the old standby "lack of standing ". There is a current lawsuit in Washington state that is trying to get the State of Washington to issue a subpoena to the State of Hawaii to release the records. So far the Sec of State of Washington is trying to block it.
Why hasn't anyone made a Freedom of Information Action (FOIA) request of the State Department for Barack Obama's passport file?
Berg did that in his initial filing of his case. The request was denied.
However, it looks like to me that all this case was, was an attempt to bar him from the ballot without attempting to get access to the vault copy of Obama's birth certificate.
No, this case was filed after the election. Under the statute he filed under, he would not have had standing until the election had taken place. He is currently in a case in California which is attempting to get access to the vault copy. This case would have been another way to get it. Since the state won't release it, if the court had accepted the case under the statute ( which they should have ), the allegation would have been the COLB he submitted online was a fraud. The only way the other side could defend that allegation would be to produce a certified vault copy of the BC to the court.
“...This is not going away after January 2009, come what may ever come.”
Your statement is the one of the few certainties regarding this BO ‘thingy’.
And, then when I would have found them to be actually "breast imprints or Jugs JPGs," they would have challenged it, demanded that I show them my credentials to prove that I am both an "expert in azz prints and Jugs JPGs" while they bring out their own "expert" to knock my knockers analyses.
You are correct in everything you said, except the one above. What will be reviewed by SCOTUS on Jan 9 and Jan 16 stems directly from the original suit against Obama and the DNC, filed by Berg on August 21, 2008. I have a complete timeline showing all of Berg's filings and the subsequent actions taken here:
You can best summarize the actions taken as follows:
As for what happens on or after Jan 8, I wrote about that in another post.
I’ve read some of the challenges to your research and they focus on attacking you personally and not on the data and obvious results and conclusions.
Specifically, they do not address the difference in the change in state seals or the border differences. They intentionally ignore all the inconsistencies.
Similiarily, has anyone defended the obvious inaccuracies and inconsistencies regarding the Selective Service Registration form from Deb. Schussel’s site?
It seems to have many of the same problems that you have identified with the bogus posted COLB.
It employed the wrong usage of the forms for the year issued, wrong usage of serial numbers and wrong usage of postal seal or stamp for the year processed.
Wrong, wrong, wrong = BOGUS-POTUS
“expert in azz prints and Jugs JPGs” while they bring out their own “expert” to knock my knockers analysis”
Ha! Perhaps you are an expert there, but I would likely defer judgment to a team of cosmetic surgeons!!
Bambi's run for the Presidency formerly began in 2004 with his DNC keynote address. From that point onwards, everything has been carefully orchestrated to make 2008 become 2012, the year pundits projected him to seek it.
But, I've been thinking about this thread and its implications. I'm almost tempted to write a companion post and call it, "It's the forgery, stupid!" because of something I said earlier. A natural-born US citizen would not create a forgery to prove that he is a natural-born US citizen.
The Obama team probably thought they had this in the bag when they tried to pass off this bogus COLB as his "original birth certificate." It would have been tough to forge and post a long-form birth certificate, but they thought that they did not have to make one since Hawaii does not make copies of them anymore.
Boy, was that a dumb move or what?
One would think that with the kind of money that he has raised combined with criminal element that he has associated himself with that he could have splurged and had the job(s) done right.
He should have hired well-seasoned professionals that would have produced impeccable documentation and no one would have batted an eye.
Interesting for him to say that Dr K was on Obama's spin team.
Seems like they rushed to create one after Jim Geraghty’s National Review Online article that appeared on June 9 raising the issue about Obama not being a US citizen. Before that, I had no idea it was even an issue. I was more concerned about Obama’s vision for the future of America when I listened to his keynote speech on 2004
He has a major ex-CIA working for him now, the man who owns the company which was one of the sources that accessed Obambi’s passport files illegally. Any guesses as to why they needed to get in those a third time?
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