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It Took Just Minutes To Find Profound Stupidity In Pelosi's Bill
Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion ^ | 10/30/09 | Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

Posted on 10/30/2009 12:22:56 AM PDT by American Dream 246

The drafters and supporters of the 1,990-page health care restructuring bill released by Nancy Pelosi this morning really don't understand how business works.

I've had only a few minutes to look at the bill, but one fundamental and profound stupidity jumped out at me.

The bill defines which businesses are subject to the health care tax based upon the dollar amount of employee payroll. There even is a sliding scale right in the bill (section 501, at page 276) which tops out at 8% for businesses with $750,000 of annual payroll. Annual payroll is defined as the "aggregate wages" paid by the employer.

This provision creates incentives for businesses to keep down payroll. One way would be not to hire anyone whose compensation would fall under the definition of payroll under the bill.

In other words, outsource whatever you can. Hire a software engineer in India, or ship manufacturing to China, or structure your business in such a way that you send 1099s not W-2s to the people who work for you (and hire an accountant and tax lawyer to navigate IRS rules on independent contractors).

The message of the bill is that whatever you do, if you want to grow your business without paying the health care tax, do not add employees.

Obama does not understand these provisions. Obama gave a speech this morning in which he stated that these provisions are directed at small businesses operating on thin margins. But these provisions have nothing to do with profit margins. This is a wage-based tax.

Obama does not understand the difference between profit margins and wages. This is exactly what you would expect from someone who always has been on the receiving end of wages, and never had to meet a payroll. Wages are not profits and have nothing to do with the success of a business. Just ask the auto companies.

I don't think Obama and the other Democrats are lying about this aspect of the health care tax. They truly do not understand how the private economy works. In their blissful ignorance they are designing job-killings provisions which they do not understand.

It is not an overstatement to say "be afraid, be very afraid" of this monstrosity


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: elections; healthcare; military; obama; obamacare; palin; politics
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1 posted on 10/30/2009 12:22:56 AM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: bamahead

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2 posted on 10/30/2009 12:29:57 AM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: American Dream 246

Cloward & Piven cloaked in workplay.


3 posted on 10/30/2009 12:35:11 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: American Dream 246
Trust me, they know and yes they are lying. I hope whoever wrote that article stops being so naive.

The purpose of health care is to turn America into Britain politically, where every election is about health care from now on. All the arguments and political ads will be about wait times, benefits, efficiency, and cost. Demoocrats will always win majorities since they can make the biggest promises with a straight face. In Britian, 5% of the voters are in the health care union and they control nearly every election. Republicans will win a few seats if they act just like Democrats.

The media will hold sway over the people even more by blasting the deplorable conditions of the health care system if Conservatives are in charge, while ignoring those same conditions when liberals are in charge. Either way, the "good" big government liberal people will be in charge permanently and that is "America as it should be." I can't remember who said it, (one of the lady conservative commentators) but if this passes and is allowed to go into action by the courts, it is GAME OVER for the USA as we know it.

The problem with liberal Democrats is that they only have ONE core value, and that is that they want to be in charge. Everything else in the world is secondary to that.

4 posted on 10/30/2009 1:00:15 AM PDT by BRK
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To: BRK
GAME OVER for the USA as we know it.

Just GAME OVER for the USA. No "as we know it" needed. We will no longer be able to support the number one military on Earth. The Pax Americana will soon be over and warfare around the globe will get to be a very serious matter, increasing in intensity until some other nation, probably China, takes over what America had been.

5 posted on 10/30/2009 1:11:39 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: American Dream 246

Is this the one where we get five years of coverage with ten years to pay for it? What happens after that? This thing is a _______ disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 10/30/2009 1:11:43 AM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: BRK

“The media will hold sway over the people even more by blasting the deplorable conditions of the health care system if Conservatives are in charge, while ignoring those same conditions when liberals are in charge.”

I’m guessing the “Total Dead In Iraq” daily counter with President Bush in office compared to a page 2 story about another IED death in Afghanistan is proof enough of that.


7 posted on 10/30/2009 1:30:05 AM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: American Dream 246
Something else to look at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374216/posts

8 posted on 10/30/2009 1:44:05 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: BRK

The Republicans would be just as happy to get some of the political power. VERY FEW members of Congress would stand in the way of passing this immoral and financially disastrous bill. Why do you think Bob Dole is partnering with Tom Daschle to support this behemoth?


9 posted on 10/30/2009 2:26:17 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: American Dream 246

Wages are not profits and have nothing to do with the success of a business? Nothing?


10 posted on 10/30/2009 3:40:17 AM PDT by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: American Dream 246

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11 posted on 10/30/2009 3:43:27 AM PDT by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: American Dream 246
Obama does not understand these provisions. Obama gave a speech this morning in which he stated that these provisions are directed at small businesses operating on thin margins. But these provisions have nothing to do with profit margins. This is a wage-based tax.

Obama most certainly understands these provisions. What Obama and these dems are trying to do is purposely destroy our economy. This HC bill is a directly engineered to change America and our way of life. This is pure gov't control of every aspect of our lives.

I loathe these peoples political philosophies! They are a direct contradiction of liberty and freedom.

12 posted on 10/30/2009 3:53:13 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: American Dream 246

Cloward-Piven in action.

Destroy the economy by the sheer weight of the demands placed on it, authorized by the policies and legislation of the ruling elite in DC. Collapse the system under its own weight.

It is time to take back the country.


13 posted on 10/30/2009 3:59:49 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: American Dream 246

Pelosi hates businesses and people who work hard honestly all their lives, and wants to take their money and give it to people who vote democrat.


14 posted on 10/30/2009 4:13:37 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: American Dream 246
Link To Newest Version of the Bill:

House Democrats Health Care Reform Bill
15 posted on 10/30/2009 5:19:11 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (This nation must not die on our watch.)
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To: BRK

Basically to take total control of every state and its people.


16 posted on 10/30/2009 6:35:42 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: Issaquahking; Cagey; Daffynition; null and void; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Darkwolf377; ...

ping and bump and everything else


17 posted on 10/30/2009 6:51:31 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Navy Mom)
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To: American Dream 246; Owl_Eagle; Sam's Army; Darksheare; pissant; najida; r-q-tek86; blackie; ...

READ THE BILL...PING!!!!


18 posted on 10/30/2009 6:57:12 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: Shimmer1
When the Pelosi transmitts important news, it is shouted from tower to tower through a megaphone.


19 posted on 10/30/2009 7:00:30 AM PDT by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: historyrepeatz
Cloward & Piven cloaked in workplay.

I don't understand why people don't get the C-P angle.


20 posted on 10/30/2009 7:19:42 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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