Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin)

Gordon Greene ^ | December 4, 2009 | Gordon Greene

[Gordon Greene]

Arguing with Idiots… Part Deaux (A full-frontal assault on the Temple of Darwin) (Link to PDF).

(I know I’ve done rants like this before, but you guys are worth it!)

Dear worshippers of Darwin and lovers of self,

My personal (condensed) declaration of faith:

I believe in the God of the Bible. I believe in the Bible. I believe what it says. I believe, unashamedly that God is the Creator of the Universe and that He created it just as described in the Genesis account. I believe the only way to receive salvation is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as your savior. I believe that if you do not accept Jesus as your savior then you will spend eternity in the lake of fire, created for Satan and his followers… separated forever from God.

My personal (condensed) declaration of allegiance to American values:

I believe that the founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. I believe the Founders trusted God and the laws of God to be a guide and to provide the framework for what would become the United States of America. I believe that the Founders incorporated those values into our founding documents including the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I believe that very same Godly, Biblical foundation is what has sustained us as a nation for over 200 years. I believe the same is why this nation has been blessed beyond any other nation in history. I believe forsaking those principles is what is plunging this country headlong into socialism. I believe if we, as a people do not turn back to God and to His truth, this great nation has seen its best days.

Now, my message to the evolutionists and atheists on freerepublic…

You continually disgrace and shame yourselves and this site by purposely attempting to offend those who believe in God and Creation and frankly, I'm amazed it has gone on this long. The honest debate over differences of opinion are welcome on this site (correct me if I’m wrong) but even more-so the promotion of the God-centered foundation of our country and government. Yet you make it a playground for your near-pornographic display of anti-Christian rhetoric. Do I and others respond in an other-than kind way from time to time? Absolutely! That's what people do when you offer a constant barrage of insults and deliver responses dripping with hollow, moral superiority. Like many, I tried at first to reason with you. I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin (with rare exception, I must note). So I barb… it’s my way of dealing with it.

From time to time one of you may pretend to seek an honest argument or answer only to turn it into a battle of context, performing hopeless and pointless contortions of the English language. Your mental gymnastics are generally childlike and wholly unnecessary. All you would have to do is to say you don’t have the mental capacity to understand the argument and that would be that… but that is not your goal.

You have this sick wish to see those who literally interpret the Bible and faithful Christians into converts of the radical wing of the Temple of Darwin or, at the very least to make an example of their comments (unsuccessfully, as a general rule). Then you can take their replies to your Darwin’s Temple websites and display them in the midst of those ungodly freak shows.

Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?” In my estimation, that’s exactly what you’re doing when you shove your unfounded faith in dry bones down the throats of schoolchildren. You claim we have nothing on which to base our faith in God and Creation, yet I suggest to you there is no evidence of evolution in the way that you teach and believe it… no proof of inter-species evolution taking place and no evidence that life was formed in a way that disputes the Biblical account. There is much more circumstantial evidence in the Creation account in Genesis than what you place your faith in, yet that is not my primary argument this evening.

Here’s the beef: most of you troll posts with a religious bent for the express purpose of inserting chaos into the equation. In that, you are no better than the community organizers at ACORN. You attempt to confuse, divide, destroy and deride those who believe your religion to be false. Yet, your religion is more than false; it rises to the level of cult. Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!

Like the climate mongers and the climatologists at CRU, your actions do have consequences. However, the disastrous effects of your insidious message are far more devastating than the physical and monetary cost of the climate hoax. Your target is the soul of man. Since the dawning of the Age of Darwinism, millions of men, women and children have fallen victim, maybe even you. And for those who claim to be Christian and evolutionists, I offer this from one of my recent responses…

“If you draw evolution out to its ultimate end it either:

A. Denies the existence of God.

B. Denies His relevance.

C. Boils the Word of God down to a collection of allegory.

Unlike a lot of folks that share my beliefs in God and Creation, I don’t believe that faith in evolution automatically excludes you from Christianity. People are in different stages of their walk and some find the truth more slowly than others but that doesn’t mean they aren’t saved. But if you follow the (il)logic of evolution very far, it discounts faith in the God of the Bible.”

That is to say most would have to conclude from studying Evolution that God does not exist. Being a priest and a disseminator of the gospel of Evolution is no different than being in a sinking ship and destroying the only life preserver because you believe if you can’t have it, no one else should.

If you were honest with yourselves you would admit there is no honest scientific evidence proving evolution. Most of you have heard the truth of the Bible and chosen to reject it. I personally believe (again… my personal belief) that you and those who promote the baseless theory of evolution will be judged by God for leading others to discount God as well.

Matthew 18:6 (New International Version)

6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)

16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Romans 1:22 (New International Version)

22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

Exodus 20:11 (New International Version)

11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

John 1:3 (New International Version)

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)

7If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Earlier, I was questioned as to whether it was fair of me to say that you lead children into hell. My question is, “Is it fair of you to do so?”

As far as I can tell you're speaking of my question in the earlier thread (post #276). My actual question was, "do you consider your assertion that teaching evolution delivers children into the “hands of Hell” an example of “reasoned debate?"

Your reply was essentially, "Yes, because the Bible says so", and then you mentioned something in the Bible that seems to imply (in the context you were using it) that it would be better to drown someone rather than let them teach evolution to children.

Y'know, it's funny...I know a number of Christians, and they don't talk like that.

[GL of Sector 2814]

The lies, the hypocrisy, the seething burning hate and the overall general nuttiness.

If you want to see nuttiness in action just look at the thread that inspired this one, in which posters advocate geocentrism and argue that the use of antibiotics defies the word of God and shortens people's lives.

While there is an anti-science kooky fringe in the Conservative movement, it is (luckily) quite small.

[ElectronVolt]

While there is an anti-science kooky fringe in the Conservative movement, it is (luckily) quite small.

I was of a very scientific mind, but some of these fundamentalists have finally gotten me to see the light. I now agree that the earth is at most 5,000 years old. How else could the Egyptians have built the pyramids but with a powerful brachiosaurus?

I suppose this came to mind because a week or so ago I stumbled on a wacko fundamentalist website for kids that explained that the earth was only 5K years old and man and dinosaurs lived together. If the timeline of the Bible doesn't quite fit, just change all known evidence!

[rawcatslyentist]

Maybe we're both right.

G_d made me. I am his child.

The D'winists certainly behave like they're descended from monkeys! So if they insist....

[Natufian]

“I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin....”

Could you be reasoned out of your belief in God?

[Nateman]

As a firm believer in evolution I think we can still both agree on the graphic above.

[Bellflower]

ping

[metmom]

Asbestos underwear on.

You nailed it.

In this line, “Its followers are brainwashed by manufactured statistics as if Al Gore himself were beating on the pulpit, loudly testifying to the dangers of non-belief. And you not only believe the lies, you are some of its chief priests!”

Chief priests, like Richard Dawkins...

[metmom]

Quoting Thomas Paine.

I would expect no less from an evo.....

[metmom]

You sure put a lot of stake in the words of men.

An historian, who never met Gen. Washington, passes judgment on his faith.

So he declined the church sacraments? Big deal.

They’re not what saves you anyway. It’s repentance and Christ alone.

I Timothy 2:5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

Go through Christ and there’s no need for anything else as salvation is based on faith, not works.

[metmom]

Jefferson was wrong, as were so many others who predicted and longed for the end of Christianity.

Paine, in his evo-like hatred of the Bible, totally misses that the Bible deals a lot with historical things and does not gloss them over. It deals with reality and what people really did. It doesn’t mean, however, that God condoned “the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness”.

The Pharisees also accused Jesus of being demonic. Nothing new under the sun.

[ThePatriotsFlag]

I think the more "fundamental" you get, either as a religious zealot, or a screaming, "scientific" heritic ... the more apt one is to miss the whole point. Looking at God or Evolution "literally" is examining the forest at the level of bark.

IMHO, move back away from it, take it all in, and the two come together beautifully (at least in my mind). God made the earth in 6 days and took a day off. Some folks believe that, fine with me. Because of the proof of evolution, there is no God ... and some believe that ... also fine with me. But if you have a deeper faith and have a secure grounding in your faith, you'll see evolution is absolutely real, something humans could figure out, but never be able to accomplish themselves ... leaving only wonder. So what could "cause" this incredible process to not only function beyond time, but perfectly "automatically?" There's where I find my concept of God. I'm not going to limit him to a 6 day a week union worker taking Sunday's off to watch the Jets. In my mind Evolution is a fact, and so is God. You just have to step back to a point where they will converge and you'll see the whole picture.

I smile ... its a non-issue (for me).

[GL of Sector 2814]

Quoting Thomas Paine.

I would expect no less from an evo....

This is a thread in which the original poster asserts that the Founding Fathers had faith in and worshipped the God of the Bible. My quotes (including the Paine quote) are evidence that some of them did not.

Was I incorrect? If so, please point out how. If you do not, I can only assume that you now agree that the quote was appropriate.

[Gordon Greene]

“Your source doesn’t present himself very well does he!?

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If we don’t make it up...
Who will?

ALL THE NEWS THAT’S FIT TO BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT”

It’s not my “source”... it’s my website.

And, yes... isn’t it ironic? I guess in retrospect I should post only pro-evolution stories with those kinds of statements!

So you know, to post a story here you have to link to a valid website. Otherwise I wouldn’t have posted a link at all.

God bless. Enjoy God’s creation today.

[Gordon Greene]

Lovely use of sarcasm...

The goal is not to corner them (you)... it’s to let off steam and maybe encourage believers. You guys will either believe or not. It makes no appreciable difference to me.

[Gordon Greene]

Ahh... I’ve been waiting for you! You’re the one I named this post for.

If you read hate then you would be mistaken. That’s the only qualification I will give in reply to your pseudo-obsequious response.

[GL of Sector 2814]

I smile ... its a non-issue (for me).

I find pseudosciences such as creationism interesting so it's something of a pet issue for me, but I will readily acknowledge that in the grand scheme of things the evolution/creationism debate simply isn't that important as compared to issues such national defense and economics.

Those are the issues that conservatives need to rally around.

[GL of Sector 2814]

Jefferson was wrong..

Paine, in his evo-like hatred of the Bible...

I was merely using these quotes to point out some of the Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Do you disagree?

[Gordon Greene]

““I found that there is no reasoning with the true-believers in the Temple of Darwin....”

Could you be reasoned out of your belief in God?”

YEAH!!!

Someone who admits that their belief in Darwin is their religion!

My life is complete.

My point was that most of you cannot be fairly debated, not that we cannot change your beliefs.