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On "Birthers," Heed "Radio Patriot," Not Glenn Beck
WEB Commentary ^ | January 6, 2009 | Michael J. Gaynor

Posted on 01/06/2010 9:27:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The logical conclusion is that there is SOMETHING on the document that Obama does not want to share with the American people. Even the Beckster should realize that!

Glenn Beck is an Obama critic, but he's not a "birther" and ridicules "birthers" as the dumbest of the dumb and even helpful to Obama. "Radio Patriot" Andrea Shea King, a "birther," knows better.

World Net Daily's Drew Zahn, "Glenn Beck on birther issue: 'Dumbest thing I've ever heard'" (January 4, 2009) (

"On the air today, popular radio host Glenn Beck mocked 'birthers' and claimed there is a concerted campaign to get those questioning Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility onto the airwaves – a strategy Beck said would actually benefit Obama.

"'There's always games being played behind the scenes at a talk radio show,' Beck said. 'Rush has always called them seminar callers. But instead of being coy with the seminar callers or with you, I'm just going to expose the game that is going on. Today there is a concerted effort on all radio stations to get birthers on the air.'

"'I have to tell you, are you working for the Barack Obama administration?' Beck scoffed. 'I mean, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.'"

It's Beck's scoffing that's dumb.

This morning on "Fox & Friends" there was a report that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt really died of a brain tumor, not a stroke, and his brain tumor was concealed for political purposes.

What strikes some (or even most) as unbelievable (or "dumb") may be true.

Beck calls radical Obamaton and ACORN 8 leader his "Rosa Parks," so his own capacity for "dumbness" is not in doubt.

Beck just proved that again this year by joining the big dog at Fox News, Bill O'Reilly, in mocking the "birthers."

I don't know where Obama was born, but I believe that "birthers" are right to respect the United States Constitution and demand proof that Obama is eligible to be President and the burden of proof on that issue belongs on Obama.

In 2008 John McCain quickly produced his birth certificate, but Obama still has not done so.

Obama's refusal to produce his birth certificate is NOT proof that he was born in Kenya, but it IS a strong sign that he's hiding SOMETHING.


"The ongoing dialogue then spun off into ridicule as Beck caricatured those who question the sitting president's eligibility with straw-man arguments reminiscent of jibes made by Obama's apologists in other news outlets.

"Beck defined birthers as people who believe Obama was born in Kenya or other foreign country, was raised as a Manchurian candidate and somehow brainwashed Hillary Clinton into not exposing his fraud. According to Beck's running joke, birthers believe someone – maybe Obama's KGB 'control' – preemptively placed Obama's birth announcement in 1961 Hawaiian newspapers with a 'roadmap' of getting an African man into office.

"As for Obama producing a long-form birth certificate to actually prove his place of birth, Beck questioned, 'Why do that when these people ["birthers"] are so discrediting themselves?'"

But, as Zahn put it: "The 'certification of live birth' posted online and widely touted as 'Obama's birth certificate' does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same 'short-form' document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true 'long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny."

Scrutiny of Obama (in sharp contrast to Sarah Palin) is something that the liberal media establishment avoided and Fox News did not do nearly well enough.

Perhaps Beck and O'Reilly mock the "birthers" because they too would be embarrassed if the true "long form" birth certificate were made public and contained any significant information that would bear on either Obama's eligibility or suitability to be President of the United States. (It was not until long after Obama was inaugurated that those two Fox News hosts focused on The New York Times killing an Obama/ACORN expose on October 21, 2008, even though I reported it on the Internet the next day.)


"The radio host further argued that by distracting the public from actionable issues, 'birthers' have become 'a dream come true' for Obama, an ideal situation akin to the fantasies of adolescent boys after Hollywood bombshells.

"'Barack Obama looks at the birthers as Megan Fox,' Beck said, referring to the star and sex symbol of the popular 'Transformers' films."

Message to Beck: As a faithful student of community organizer Saul Alinsky, Obama has followed his rules for radicals. Like a faithful Alinskyite, you too ridicule the "birthers." But ridicule is not a substitute for Obama's original birth certificate.

Zahn rightly rebutted Beck:

"'Birthers'...reflect a far greater diversity of opinion than is assumed by Beck's characterization. For example, while the term has been applied to anyone questioning Obama's eligibility to serve as president under the Constitution's 'natural born citizen' clause, many 'birthers' don't doubt Obama's Hawaiian birth, but instead take issue with his father's foreign citizenship.

"While other top radio hosts, including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levin and Lou Dobbs, have all said unequivocally and publicly that the Obama eligibility issue is legitimate and worthy, a few – including Beck and fellow Fox TV host Bill O'Reilly – have taken the position that the issue is, in O'Reilly's words, 'bogus.' Both Beck and O'Reilly cite the contemporaneous appearance of birth announcements in two Honolulu newspapers as prima facie evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and 'birthers' are conspiracy nuts.

"However, what neither talk host realizes is that newspaper birth announcements are not placed by parents phoning their local paper with the good news that they had a child. Rather, as WND has reported based on interviews with the two Hawaii papers involved, the Obama newspaper birth announcements stemmed from information automatically sent to the papers by Hawaii's Department of Health upon the state's issuance of a 'Certification of Live Birth,' which, as WND has also reported, is considered insufficient on its own to positively document the president's birthplace.

"Many people remain unaware that a child does not even have to be born in Hawaii to receive a 'Certification of Live Birth – that's the 'short form' that provides no hospital name, delivering physician or any of the other information that traditionally appears on a legitimate birth certificate. And yet the 'short form' COLB is the one and only piece of evidence the White House has cited in defending its assertion Obama was born in Hawaii.

"Hawaiian law specifically allows 'an adult or the legal parents of a minor child' to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given the birth document.

"The only requirement for proof cited in the law doesn't address the birth of the child either, just 'that the legal parents of such individual while living without Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.'

"Demand the truth by joining the petition campaign to make President Obama reveal his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate!

"And since Obama's long-form birth certificate remains locked away from public view and sealed by privacy laws, no brainwashing device – such as Beck alluded to in his program – would be necessary to keep Hillary Clinton from discovering the contents of Obama's original birth certificate."

The logical conclusion is that there is SOMETHING in the document that Obama does not want to share with the American people.

Even the Beckster should realize that!

Zahn pointed out that concealment is the Obama way.


"Obama's birth papers...aren't the only piece of the sitting president's past that Obama has refused to reveal.

"As WND has reported, other documentation not yet available includes Obama's kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records."

Who really thinks there's nothing there that might reasonably influence voters if known?

Beck, who last year publicly stated that Obama is racist, now wants to challenge Obama only on his policies and actions.

Beck: "Why don't we go after the things that are provable, after the things that actually you need to stop right now? And if you want to argue, then let's argue based in fact, based on things that are provable and true. And what do you say? Do you want to argue the Constitution? Good. Let's show the number of people in Congress and in the Senate that don't even read the Constitution – can't tell you right now if healthcare is even in the Constitution. Let's talk to the scholars. Let's talk to the average Joe that understands this isn't in the Constitution. Let's argue the Constitution on the laws and the systems that they are building today. Instead of arguing the Constitution and whether or not he was born in America, why don't we argue the constitutionality of a little known thing called czars and the power that these people have?"

Message to Beck:

First, most Obama/ACORN critics can multitask!

Second, we need to expose the truth about the Obama/ACORN relationship that helps explain why Obama appointed all those "czars."

Third, Marcel Reid is an ardent Obama supporter with personal and radical political agendas and not a "Rosa Parks.

"Radio Patriot" Andrea Shea King surely is disappointed with the Beckster ridiculing "birthers."

"Radio Patriot," in "The Lamestream Media Is Chewing Towels" (December 4, 2009) (

"What toute la monde is chewing dishtowels about this morning ranges from 'Sarah’s a birther!' to 'It’s a reasonable question'. But it’s one that the mainstream media won’t — can’t — touch with a ten foot pole.

"As my show producer Dave said, they’re in quandary — “They can’t take this opportunity to smash Palin once again for fear of reporting on the birth certificate story. They’ve got the club in their hand but they can’t use it.”

"Pinch is half insane this morning. If Palin had come out and said ‘I believe in flying saucers’, they’d report that in a hot second, but they can’t touch this — you know they’re banging their heads on the edge of their desks. They can’t write this story — cannot take this opportunity to smash Palin. This birth certificate/eligibility issue is a no-fly zone.

"And they like to paint her as stupid? I’m laughing out loud. Dumb like a fox. She’s placed this issue squarely on the front page of controversy. Where it needs to be."

"Radio Patriot" related:

"Anyone who has read my blogs or tuned in to my radio program knows I’ve been asking ‘who the heck is Barack Hussein Obama‘ ever since he first appeared on the national radar screen. And here’s why:

"What we DO know about BHO:

His childhood mentor was Frank Davis Marshall, who spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union; edited a communist newspaper; authored pronographic novels; and wrote poetry in praise of Joseph Stalin.

BHO was mentored by and is still supported by radical Muslims.

BHO promised t[r]ansparency in government, but has spent over a million dollars in legal fees hiding information that would determine his Constitutional eligibility to be President.

He is a former drug user.

BHO’s academic records are sealed from kindergarten through law school.

He was deserted in childhood by his supposed biological father.

He has produced no legitimate birth certificate which would indicate his place of birth, the attending physician, and any other pertinent information found on your or my birth certificate.

He is a president who refused to intercept or inspect a North Korean ship virtually certain to be carrying weapons of mass destruction to Burma.

A president who wants to cancel all missile defense while rogue nations are developing long-range ballistic missiles. An American president who blames the violence in Mexico on America.

A Commander in Chief who claims to have been unaware that Air Force One was taken on a terrifying, low-level 'photo-op' over Manhattan. And do we really know who was on-board that aircraft during the flyover joyride?

A president who berates American CEOs for flying in private planes at private expense on company business, but whose wife spends hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars flying to Paris for a shopping spree.

A president who promised a transparent administration but requires all questions be screened before impromptu appearances.

A man who freely admits his energy policies are designed to bankrupt the American coal industry.

A president who has presided over the loss of 14.7 + million jobs and whose energy policy will cause the loss of another million jobs.

A president whose energy policy will increase the average American utility bills by over $2,000 a year, in the middle of the Great Recession.

A man about whom liberal journalist Tom Brokaw said, 'There’s a lot about him we don’t know'… just one week before the election. "But someone knows who he is.

Someone paid for his travel expenses to Pakistan and Indonesia.

Someone engineered legal challenges to all of his election opponents for the State Senate and had them disqualified.

Someone straightened and leveled his path to the U.S. Senate when a Democrat Judge made public the child custody records of his Republican opponent.

When he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate, someone arranged for him to speak at the 2004 Democratic National Convention

Someone saw to it that all of his records were sealed, at home and abroad Someone assembled the massive organization for his run for Presidency

"Someone knows all about him. And it for sure isn’t us. "But we’re disparaged as 'Birthers' by hypocrites who 'won’t go there', yet still ask why it is we know so little about Obama; Conspiracy Freaks by those who are simply ignorant of the facts; and 'Trolls”' by self-appointed 'betters' simply for asking."

TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: beck; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; glennbeck; kenyabelieveit; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; talkradio
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To: montag813

Watch Beck’s ratings drop sharply over the next few weeks.

You're kidding, right?

41 posted on 01/06/2010 10:39:11 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: dschapin
The grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1 has nothing at all to do with the citizenship of the delegates’ parents.

But the natural born citizen requirement does.

Vattel in Bk 1 Sec 212, states the following.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it.

The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born.

I say, that, in order to be of the country,it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

"If Obama is eligible to be President then so are the sons of Osama Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if they impregnate an American woman who gives birth on US soil. The very notion is obscene. Such a person might be a US citizen under current policy, but their citizenship is not natural born and they cannot be President and Commander In Chief of the US armed forces."-----Leo Donofrio.

Is there any question why the founders put the Natural Born Citizen requirement clause in the Constitution?

42 posted on 01/06/2010 10:41:46 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Well, we didn't get dressed up for nothin')
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OK lick his sneakers . Got it .

43 posted on 01/06/2010 10:47:52 PM PST by sushiman
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I was born in Boston (no question about that) in 1936. I have a copy of the the COB, signed in 1969. It states the hospital I was born in, the doctor in attendance, and my mother and father’s names.

It does not include the fact that my father was born in Norway and was not a citizen at the time of my birth.

It does state that my mother was 17.

Question: Am I a natural born citizen?

44 posted on 01/06/2010 10:48:15 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I remember that.The reason was so that it wouldnt come back on them.They were anything but dumb and that is a fact.

45 posted on 01/06/2010 10:48:20 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Jonh Bingham April 1868 :

“May God forbid that the future historian shall record of this day’s proceedings, that by reason of the
failure of the legislative power of the people to triumph over the usurpation's of an apostate President, the fabric
of American empire fell and perished from the earth!…I
ask you to consider that we stand this day pleading for the violated majesty of the law, by the graves of half a
million of martyred hero-patriots who made death beautiful by the sacrifice of themselves for their country, the
Constitution and the laws, and who, by their sublime example, have taught us all to obey the law; that none are
above the law…”

46 posted on 01/06/2010 10:51:25 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: norge

Natural born citizen status only matters if you’re running for vpotus or potus.

“Question: Am I a natural born citizen?”


47 posted on 01/06/2010 10:52:41 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Well, we didn't get dressed up for nothin')
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To: FreeperFlirt

Excellent summary. As you no doubt know there are volumes and volumes consistant with what you have explained. The Grotian Society Papers - 1972, the Alexander Porter Morse Treatise on Citzenship, the Joseph Story Papers, writings of Grotius, Pufendorf, Chief Justices Marshall and Waite.

I will mention that the 1790 Naturalization Act was repealed by the 1795 Act, eliminating the extension of natural born citizenship to children of citizens born “across the seas”. Mario Apuzzo made a plausible conjecture that this act in 1790 was to extend the “grandfather clause” of Article II to the children of founders; quite a few of the founders spent much time in England and on the Continent. Their allegiance was recognized, but the authors knew the statute would not withstand a test of constitutionality. Today, it is what it was: “...born in the country of citizen parents”.

48 posted on 01/06/2010 10:55:42 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Electric Graffiti


49 posted on 01/06/2010 10:56:13 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Markos33

The LEFT is praising Beck now . ‘Nuff said .

50 posted on 01/06/2010 10:57:38 PM PST by sushiman
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To: norge

Based on the following, if your father owed allegiance to any foreign sovereignty, then no you would not be a “natural born citizen” for the purpose of determining your eligibility to run for Vice President or President of the United States.

“Bingham states: I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… . . – John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866”

51 posted on 01/06/2010 10:58:10 PM PST by WVPatriot
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To: norge

Ok...I’ll make an exception in your case ;)

52 posted on 01/06/2010 11:04:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Well, we didn't get dressed up for nothin')
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To: montag813
Watch Beck’s ratings drop sharply over the next few weeks.

Will re-post at end of the month.

53 posted on 01/06/2010 11:05:13 PM PST by jla ("Free Republic is Palin Country" - JimRob)
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To: Ramius
I’ve seen the Governor of the State of Hawaii personally certify that Obama was born there.

No you have not as Lingle has never said that publicly. You are confused with DoH director Fukino who said she saw the vital records that say Obama was born in Hawaii.

However, Hawaii has accepted statements from witnesses who say they were present when a baby was born in the state of Hawaii which doctors were not present or were not in the hospital delivery system. A system that could be easily fooled if the witness is not honest.

54 posted on 01/06/2010 11:08:36 PM PST by Red Steel
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If a Russian child is born in Hawaii, is that child eligible to become president? ... Just being born in Hawaii doesn’t make one eligible according to the founders use of the term ‘natural born citizen’.

Yes, under the meaning of "natural born citizen" that child born in the U.S. would indeed be eligible to become President. These different brands of citizenship didn't exist when they made these proclaimations. Curiously enough... there wasn't yet much at that point about "citizenship" documentation. Nobody then had passports.

55 posted on 01/06/2010 11:08:52 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Are you just going to make a direct statement like that without documenting sources to support your statement?

56 posted on 01/06/2010 11:12:31 PM PST by WVPatriot
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To: WVPatriot

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m going to do. Am I wrong in some way?

57 posted on 01/06/2010 11:16:35 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Chief Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, stated: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875).

This decision was delivered after the 14th amendment was already in place.

58 posted on 01/06/2010 11:21:16 PM PST by WVPatriot
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To: Ramius

Justice Grey, 23 years later in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) repeated what Justice Waite said in Minor about the need to resort to common law when defining “natural born Citizen:” “In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the fourteenth amendment now in question, said: ‘The constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that.’ And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision.” U.S. v Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898).

59 posted on 01/06/2010 11:23:57 PM PST by WVPatriot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lets say that Adolf Hitler was ineligible to become head of Germany because he never became a legal German citizen. In 1932 while he was running for office it would be the “Issue” if it came out. His political career would be over then and there.

By 1935 on the other hand there was plenty of other abuses to remove Hitler for such as imprisoning political opponents. By that point politically the citizenship issue would be a moot point. We are rapidly reaching the same point with Obama. He has been in a year, anything past two years and the majority of the public will say so what if he was ineligible. The courts, individual states, etc has punted the BC issue down the field. You can blame Glenn Beck or others but really the ones who should take up the issue refuse to do so (Supreme Court, State Governors, etc).

Now if in 1945 there was people who wanted Hitler arrested because of the citizenship issue of 1933 and tried because of it instead of starting WWII and killing the Jews I would deem them crazy.

60 posted on 01/06/2010 11:31:21 PM PST by Swiss (Reality don't seem real anymore)
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