Important. Check out # 13.
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Posted on 01/03/2011 2:35:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
For reasons clear to no one just yet, Hawaii's new Democrat governor, Neil Abercrombie, has gone public with his desire to silence the so-called "birthers" with proof of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth.
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"
A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."
Although the major media have questioned why Abercrombie would raise an issue that, according to the Los Angeles Times, "most people see as resolved," they take Abercrombie at his word as to what he knows about the young Obama family.
They shouldn't. Abercrombie's boasts about his relationship with the president's presumed parents, Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham, have got to unnerve the president and his close advisors. They know something the media perversely choose not to know: Abercrombie is remembering a past that never happened.
A member of the House's progressive caucus before his election as governor, Abercrombie has been talking excitedly about the relationship for years, playing John the Baptist to Obama's Jesus.
"Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii." If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.
As is thoroughly documented, Ann and little Barry were in Seattle two weeks later, where she enrolled at the University of Washington. By the time she returned to Hawaii in late summer or fall 1962, Barack Sr. had left for Harvard for good.
Citing Abercrombie as source, a 2007 Hawaii TV news report claimed that Ann "became estranged from her husband, Barack Obama[,] Sr., after his departure for Harvard." I don't know about Hawaii, but in Missouri, if you flee your husband with baby in tow two weeks after his birth, that qualifies as "estrangement."
According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann married in Wailuku, Maui on February 2, 1961. But one has to wonder whether it was a marriage in anything but name, or whether there was a marriage at all. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."
No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Neil's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. When Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his putative wife and 6-year-old son.
The 17-year-old Ann had met the 24 year-old Barack Sr. in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Why they were studying Russian (in 1960, people like Lee Harvey Oswald studied Russian) is a question for another day. In Dreams, Ann provides only the sketchiest detail of their first date -- Barack Sr. came an hour late and with friends -- and nothing more.
A high school friend of Ann's claims to have received a letter or two from Ann in which she spoke about Barack Sr., and there is no reason to doubt her. But beyond this, there is no evidence of a relationship, and the only evidence for the marriage are the divorce papers, which are real and have been posted online.
One reason people marry in a county other than their own -- Maui County, for instance -- is to keep the announcement of the marriage license out of the local paper. By claiming a Maui wedding, and perhaps even attaining a Maui license, the Dunhams could have assured the baby an identity without drawing attention to the relationship.
If Obama had, in fact, been born out of wedlock, or if his father had been someone other than Barack Sr., that would not have affected Obama's eligibility for higher office, but it would have surely de-glamorized him. "Barry Dunham" does not exactly tease the imagination.
Whatever his contribution, Obama Sr. lent young Barry a name, an identity, and a romantic storyline. Obama's mother and grandparents sustained this narrative throughout Obama's childhood.
Barack Obama repeated this story in his memoir Dreams from My Father, and to good effect. When Obama hooked up with campaign guru David Axelrod in his 2004 race for the U.S. Senate, his story crystallized into a marketing strategy. In the retelling, little Barry is always two years old when Barack Sr. reluctantly leaves wife and son for Harvard. This is a lie.
Guided by Axelrod, Obama held off in his breakthrough keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic convention for all of 46 words -- including "Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much" -- before sharing his story with the world.
At the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, Obama leaped into the story in the very first sentence. "Four years ago," he began, "I stood before you and told you my story -- of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to."
In between the two convention speeches, the story of Obama's birth was told more often than that of anyone's since Jesus. No one, of course, told it as convincingly as Obama himself, especially in his game-saving Philadelphia speech, immodestly titled "A More Perfect Union."
In this speech, delivered to negate the baleful impact of the Jeremiah Wright videos, Obama attributed his faith in the American people to his "own American story." He reminded those few registered voters who might somehow have forgotten that "I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas." Although the proto-hippie Ann spent her formative teen years in Seattle, the storyline always places her in Kansas.
Obama and his operatives would invest enormous political capital in what sympathetic biographer David Remnick calls his "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal." From the beginning, they worked hard to protect the investment and did what they had to do to keep the storytellers in line.
Abercrombie may not have gotten the memo. Although the president was likely born in the United States, he may not have been born in Hawaii, he may not have been born in August 1961, he may not have been the son of Barack Sr., or he may have simply been listed as "white" on his birth certificate.
The truth is that the storied little family never lived together. Any fact that blew the storyline could have derailed Obama's candidacy before it got going. Expect the Abercrombie fuss to just sort of fade away.
Little Barry, (son of) Obama Sr. and his future wife. Huh?
So Obama Sr. and Ann weren’t married when “Little Barry” was born? What about the newspaper announcement, stating “Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama” had given birth to a son?
Oh, that “Mr. and Mrs. Obama” may have been referring to Barack Sr and his first wife, a woman in Kenya who he was still married to when his second (read bigamist) “wife” Ann allegedly gave birth to “Little Barry.”
Did Ann “marry” Obama Sr., in order to get Obama’s Kenyan son into the U.S.? She could have claimed the child as her own in order to get it U.S. citizenship.
I am told of an adoption scam in which American women would travel to a foreign country, pick up a child there, and claim to have given birth to it abroad. They could then bring the child into the U.S. without going through all the red tape.
Was Barack Obama Jr. an “anchor baby” son of Barack Obama Sr. and his first wife, who was still married to him and in Kenya at the time of Barry’s “birth” in Hawaii?
Possible scenario, circa 1961:
1. Barack Obama Sr. commissions his classmate, Stanley Ann Dunham, to “adopt” his Kenyan child and bring it to the U.S. so that it can have U.S. citizenship.
2. Ms. Dunham agrees and travels to Kenya.
3. Obama Sr’s real (first) wife gives birth to Obama Sr’s son (Barack Jr.) in a Mombasa hospital.
4. While in Kenya, Ann obtains documents that identify herself as the child’s mother. (In Kenya, Muslim men are allowed to have more than one wife.)
5. Ann brings the child to the U.S., claiming it to be her own.
6. A birth announcement is placed in the Honolulu Advertiser stating that a “son” was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama.
7. Barack Sr. and Ann complete the “paperwork” to insure that Little Barry has U.S. citizenship.
In 1961 both Honolulu newspapers got their birth, death and marriage statistics directly from the Health Bureau and not from family members or friends.
In fact the section of the newspaper where the data appeared is called “Health Bureau Statistics” Not “birth annnouncements.”
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=104678
” Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, “that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’”
LIER!!!
“Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn’t exactly see Obama’s parents with their newborn son at the hospital”
Clarified. Yea, right. Caught is more like it.
In 1961, virtually all births were done under anesthesia. “Natural child birth” became the norm some years later. Mothers, typically, spent a full week recuperating IN the hospital.
It was also a lot easier in 1961 to give any information the family wanted to be entered on the birth certificate, i.e., husband. A friend of mine gave birth to a child out of wedlock in the late 60s and the ‘sperm donor’ was listed as father. No one questioned the entry.
” In 1961 both Honolulu newspapers got their birth, death and marriage statistics directly from the Health Bureau and not from family members or friends.”
How does anyone know what the policies of the Honolulu papers were were 50 years ago or whether they also allowed additional announcements ?
” The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health.
That would include the address.”
“If we published it, it came from the state,” she said.
Here’s video of Mary McFadden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_oRGHNhz0
Unless she’s a time traveler
how would she know what did or
didn’t happen 50 years ago at the Honolulu paper ?
Or if a worker did a favor for a friend and added a birth announcement ?
How does anyone know what the policies of the Honolulu papers were were 50 years ago or whether they also allowed additional announcements ?
” The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health.
That would include the address.”
“If we published it, it came from the state,” she said.
Here’s video of Mary McFadden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_oRGHNhz0
Unless she’s a time traveler
how would she know what did or
didn’t happen 50 years ago at the Honolulu paper ?
Or if a worker did a favor for a friend and added a birth announcement ?
The previous governor of Hawai’i, Linda Lingle said the following in a radio interview: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”
May 2, 2010
You question this:
“The Advertiser’s Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama’s birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.”
Getting it into the paper didn’t need to be the act of a friend. At the time, Hawaii allowed you to go to the hall of records (or whatever they called it) and register your baby. All you had to do was say you birthed it at home and they would give you a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), which is what BO has. To get a Birth Certificate (long form), it had to be submitted by the hospital and included hospital, time of birth, delivering doctor, etc.
So, even if you gave birth at home or in Japan, Korea, Kenya, wherever - when you showed up at city hall (or the Health Bureau) and said you had a baby, they gave you that COLB - and submitted the birth announcement to the paper. The address listed would be that of the people who were given the COLB.
And now you have a COLB and a listing in the paper from the Health Bureau with whatever information you provided to them.
Important. Check out # 13.
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The article makes it clear Albercrombie cannot possibly be accurate in his story.
The media have gone silent on this for 4 days now....
This is all nuts. BO’s father had four? wives.
What if Obama is not Barack Obama but he is Barry Soetoro and he knew this was not a good political name? No one witnessed Obama’s parents marriage was it legit or in some wooded tribal ceremony? The MSM can tell us every time ODonnell and Palin left their homes and they can’t report on this mess?
He boasted the AFRICAN born name for votes?
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
OBOT!
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.Well, that's NOT what the news release said, nor was it a "news release" it was a "statement release", see following. The pertinent article excerpt is as follows:
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By StateThere's really no swearing to any fact, only a official statement of only one fact, that there is something "on record" about Obama's original birth certificate. It doesn't even have to mean, read carefully, that there is any original birth certificate. The official statement is so tersely worded and lacking detail that even a entry in a log of records indicating that there was no original birth certificate would satisfy it.
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate. ...
"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
In an interview -- which is not an official statement, and certainly not under oath, Governor Lingle is putting words in other's mouths -- hearsay. Indirect hearsay. Weak, not conclusive, very poor evidence. Courts and hearing boards could not accept it. Why should we?
And psychologically, Lingle's need to use verbal reinforcements to assert the "fact" nature is troubling. In underlined those in the excerpt.
Note how the reinforcers bracket the reference "born at Kapi’olani Hospital". Thus I suspect that statement is NOT a fact.
“”Little Barry, that’s what we called him,” Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune while “recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii.” If Obama were born on August 4, 1961, however, there could not have been many such days.”
At the link below (no dates but I’ve had it bookmarked since shortly after the election), scroll down about 1/5 of the page to the letters from UH ex-students who were in Sr.’s group of friends. None of them tell tales of remembering Ann or little Barry back in the day. Just another nail in the “social events” lie.
http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx
Not just another county but 2-3 islands away. Even in Dreams, Hussein admits there was a legality problem with the "marriage."
That's a talent that I find remarkably disturbing in your average RAT. The ability to look a person in the eye and lie with conviction.
You quote Hawaiian Governor Lingle as follows:
And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact.
Well, that’s NOT what the news release said, nor was it a “news release” it was a “statement release”, see following. The pertinent article excerpt is as follows:
Obama’s Birth Certificate Verified By State
Health Department Receives Multiple Requests For Copies
POSTED: 12:12 pm HST October 31, 2008
UPDATED: 1:26 pm HST November 1, 2008
HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate. ...
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.
There’s really no swearing to any fact, only a official statement of only one fact, that there is something “on record” about Obama’s original birth certificate. It doesn’t even have to mean, read carefully, that there is any original birth certificate. The official statement is so tersely worded and lacking detail that even a entry in a log of records indicating that there was no original birth certificate would satisfy it.
In an interview — which is not an official statement, and certainly not under oath, Governor Lingle is putting words in other’s mouths — hearsay. Indirect hearsay. Weak, not conclusive, very poor evidence. Courts and hearing boards could not accept it. Why should we?
And psychologically, Lingle’s need to use verbal reinforcements to assert the “fact” nature is troubling. In underlined those in the excerpt.
Note how the reinforcers bracket the reference “born at Kapi’olani Hospital”. Thus I suspect that statement is NOT a fact.
Dr. Fukino also issued a follow up news release which you didn’t quote:
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
You are also wrong about both statements not being official news releases of the state of Hawai’i. They most clearly and certainly are:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
How big do the words NEWS RELEASE have to be on official state letterhead under the Governor’s name for you to see them?
And monkeys may or may not have flown out of his butt some time between being born and the present day.
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