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Wayne Madsen: Foreign Intelligence Agencies Say Obama Birth Certificate Is Fake
Fellowship of the Minds ^ | 28 April 2011 | Wayne Madsen via Fellowship of Minds

Posted on 04/28/2011 8:40:53 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

From intelligence agencies around the world, the verdict on President Obama’s newly-released certificate of live birth from Hawaii is in: the certificate is a rank forgery on the same level as the Niger “yellow cake” uranium and Iraq Oil Ministry forged documents. Intelligence and law enforcement services are experts on fake documents since they have to deal with large numbers of counterfeit documents, such as birth certificates, passports, identity cards and driver’s licenses, as well as currency. Intelligence agencies are also experts at forging their own documents for their clandestine agents.

Within 24-hours of the release of the long form Certificate of Live Birth on April 27, intelligence agencies from Britain and China to Germany and Russia examined the document and concluded it was a forgery based on the fact that Barack H. Obama Sr.’s race, listed as “African,” was a monumental error, considering that not only the United States, but other English-speaking nations described Africans and those of African descent as either “Negroes” or “blacks” in 1961.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: birtcertificate; birth; certificate; certifigate; fraud; hawaii; hussein; naturalborncitizen; obama; officialbcrelease
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To: Cicero

My question is how did the doctor sign it the same day as the day it was registered? That seems a bit odd.


51 posted on 04/28/2011 11:36:15 PM PDT by klamath (growth of the welfare state is difficult to check before it comes to its full flower of dictatorship)
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To: Cicero
Still studying the released document, having noticed the differences between it at the Rosetta Stone CB from the Happy Even within days of What's-His Name's" birthday.

Nevertheless, I recall that on the aging comparison BC the hospital's name was the same.

52 posted on 04/29/2011 12:01:21 AM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: trumandogz
They are known to him as Agents Snap Crackle and Pop

His advisor on naval matters is Captain Crunch.
53 posted on 04/29/2011 2:42:04 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: The Hogwarts of stupid.)
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To: Fractal Trader

“So what if every foreign intelligence service
finds our latest version of the "birth certificate" a phoney.

So what. You cracker Americans are passive, stupid,
and now our worthless, impotent slaves."


54 posted on 04/29/2011 3:54:38 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Cicero
"Also, Kenya was NOT the name of the country back then. It was British East Africa, a British Colony."

I collected stamps as a child. I have almost a complete collection of "Kenya-Uganda-Tanganyika" stamps from the late 1940's with George VI's face on them, and another complete set with the same three countries named on each stamp only with a young Queen Elizabeth's image (after 1953).

If, as you suggest, it wasn't known as "Kenya", why did that name appear on postage stamps from that era?

55 posted on 04/29/2011 3:58:42 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: Fractal Trader

Bfl.


56 posted on 04/29/2011 4:02:08 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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To: CanaGuy
I think the three countries shared stamps to save money.


57 posted on 04/29/2011 4:04:05 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: Fractal Trader

You mean Obama’s lying (again)- now there’s a shocker!

Hey, if war in Libya won’t wag the dog, why not try some phony paper?


58 posted on 04/29/2011 5:07:39 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: dayglored
How many black babies do you think were born in the islands between 1960 and 1965? Bet it isn't many except for possibly some military. If Trump would offer a reward for someone to bring forth one we might get some movement.
59 posted on 04/29/2011 5:11:14 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: ansel12

Don’t know this guy, but I do know one ex-CIA guy that can pick up the phone and speak directly to the inside guys at about agency in the world. They all owe him for stuff in the past. Clearly not a desk jockey. He is my definition of a powerful man.


60 posted on 04/29/2011 5:15:20 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Fractal Trader
Other members of the African race agree...


61 posted on 04/29/2011 7:06:52 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Red Steel

~That~ is a great find! Well done!


62 posted on 04/29/2011 7:11:30 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Cicero

Have you seen what happens with it when it’s opened in Adobe? It’s been meddled with.


63 posted on 04/29/2011 12:08:03 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: RummyChick

About that “X”—

X always marks the spot. Consider this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2712232/posts?page=49#49


64 posted on 04/29/2011 12:36:39 PM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Is the simple mention of Kenya, proof it’s a forgery?”

No. Nor is it proof it isn’t a forgery. It was commonly referred to as Kenya even when it was a British colony but that wasn’t its full name.


65 posted on 04/29/2011 12:40:57 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: sometime lurker
Not end of story ~ the Protectorate encompassing Mombasa was also the capital of Kenya.

I don't think it bothered the locals ~ they'd use whatever name worked.

Getting in "Kenya", and "Protectorate" and "East" and "Africa" seems quite reasonable. It's like Northern Virginia, DC Suburbs, Washington, etc. They can all mean the exact same place!

66 posted on 04/29/2011 2:29:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mad_as_he$$

Ask him about the “birth certificate”!


67 posted on 04/29/2011 9:03:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Cicero; LucyT; Red Steel; David; melancholy; opentalk; RobinMasters; bgill; Hotlanta Mike; ...
...the name of the hospital is another [problem]. I[t] didn't have that name back then, but only after a merger took place, years later.

Could be that the name of the hospital was changed later, but it's true that the hospital name on Obama's purported Certificate of Live Birth is the same as the hospital name on the Nordyke twins' respective certificates. So if you use the Nordyke twins' certificates as a standard of credibility, then the hospital name on Obama's purported certificate has to be accepted.

That doesn't preclude, of course, concluding that O's certificate is a forgery based on other considerations. The most apparent of those is the electronic layering of the scanned Obama-released certificate.

68 posted on 04/29/2011 9:46:28 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Fractal Trader; justiceseeker93

obumpa


69 posted on 04/29/2011 11:42:05 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: little jeremiah

I sent him an email yesterday. Haven’t heard back.


70 posted on 04/30/2011 7:58:32 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Let us know if he replies.


71 posted on 04/30/2011 9:35:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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72 posted on 04/30/2011 9:55:44 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Red Steel

ping for reference


73 posted on 04/30/2011 7:56:12 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Fractal Trader
A comment and thought from CDR Kerchner (Ret) on the "assembled" PDF document put out on the internet by Obama:

While this whole "assembled" PDF document the White House put out could be a ruse and trap to further embarrass the "birthers" as Mario considered in his new article, I had another thought. What's to say that the copies given to Obama's lawyer sent to Hawaii, and attested to by Hawaiian officials, actually show the same information on those two paper copies that is now being displayed on the internet in this very badly assembled PDF document.

As I recall the former HI director when interviewed in recent weeks, she said when she saw the alleged original Obama birth registration document she said it was half typed and half hand written. What we are being shown on the net is something that is entirely typed except for the signatures. That does not comport with what the former HI Health Dept Director said.

What if the Obama powers sent the lawyer to Hawaii to provide the necessary cover story that they did get two copies of the Obama vital record there ... but the image on the net now is NOT of the paper copies that they picked up ... say because there is something on it that Obama still does not wish to reveal. So he has a version cooked up once again to put online, and someone screwed up and did not flatten the PDF file prior to release to hide the layers. Would Hawaii officials speak up to affirm or deny that what Obama put on the net is not an image of the copy of what they gave to Obama's lawyer. Or would they keep silent in much the same way they did regarding the Certification document, the short form images on the net since Jun 2008. Remember that Hawaii never confirmed that any of those images on the net were copies of something that they issued. Hawaii has been very willing to cooperate with Obama's stonewalling and game playing regarding the vital records in HI for Obama. And, Obama is playing such a cat and mouse game with the American electorate about all his hidden records that one can never tell with him as to what is real or what is memorex. It is a disgrace how this administration is treating the American citizenry. And the main stream media does not call him out on this and instead helps and enables Obama to conduct such offensive disinformation tactics on the American electorate. Journalism no longer exists in this nation. The media should be ashamed.

74 posted on 04/30/2011 7:57:11 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 Blasphemy of them which say they're Israelites, and are not, but are the synaGOGue of Satan.)
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To: klamath

Actually, I think that is pretty well covered here:

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/out-of-order-obamas-non-sequential.html

What the guy makes sense to me and it is a good read, though long.


75 posted on 04/30/2011 9:28:48 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Why yes, I do speak Spanglish - "Hasta la later on, amigo. Pardon, would you have any salsa verde?")
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To: Red Steel
From intelligence agencies around the world,

Has this been confirmed? I don't trust this author.

76 posted on 04/30/2011 9:32:28 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: CommieCutter

I don’t think intelligence agencies around the world ever go on public record. Madsen claim to fame is he has sources inside the Intel world.


77 posted on 04/30/2011 9:49:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: outhousepatrol
Re: Kenya was not the name of the country Sorry, but actually it was, but not independent till 1963...etc

Great information. Kudus to you - this was being touted to debunk what seems to be a straight forward registration for a COLB...I'm glad to have this information.

A poster yesterday informed me that the courier font on that document (the one signed by grammama) proved it a forgery as courier was a computer font, not a typewriter font.

Yes on a computer font - but also, it was a pretty universal font for typewriters.

I made my living in the newspaper field for decades and am familiar with fonts.

the courier font was developed in the mid-50's - but not patented so quickly went into almost universal use with typewriters - before bamba war born.

78 posted on 04/30/2011 10:05:34 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Mach9
those rules excluded “African” as an acceptable race-category.

exactly.

"African" has NEVER and never will be a 'race.'

Africa is a continent. People of all colors are born there, same as here. Would you list your race as 'North American"?

It was that little mistake of a kind that so often trips up the liars...usually something as simple as this rather than a long convoluted list of possibles.

79 posted on 04/30/2011 10:10:01 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: Lancey Howard
There was no Kenya until December 1963

Better check out post #42.

we need to be sure we only use correct information when citing pros and cons re the authenticity of the COLB -

80 posted on 04/30/2011 10:19:49 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: cynwoody
Stare decisis... et non quieta movere
81 posted on 04/30/2011 10:24:03 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: justiceseeker93

IF ! ?? if he was born at the hospital that they say that he was born at, then ? there would be proof and evidence that he was born there as documented proof... Donald Trump should show what his investigators have found....


82 posted on 05/01/2011 9:18:05 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: RummyChick
You absolutely do not know that it doesn’t include Obama.

When you read and research enough, I DO know that it doesn't include your hero, Obama. He doeswn't meet the eligibility requirements under the 14th Amendment, BC notwithstanding.

83 posted on 05/01/2011 11:23:10 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: DustyMoment

My hero??? Good lord, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You claim you read and research. HAVE YOU LISTENED TO THE ORAL ARGUMENTS WHERE SCOTUS ACTUALLY DISCUSSES THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR POTUS???


84 posted on 05/01/2011 2:27:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I read the issues related to the phrase “natural born citizen”. Natural born citizen stems from the English common law concept of “natural law” and it is there that the train seems to go off the track.

There are several interpretations of the concept of “natural born citizen” as it is described under “natural law”. Legal scholars have struggled for centuries trying to nail down the exact meaning of the phrase “natural born citizen” as it applies to American law. The issue appeared to be settled in the 1800s, but modern legal theorists, primarily those on the left, keep pulling at various threads trying to make citizenship a prize they can offer to anyone who promises to elect Democrats ONLY!

The SCOTUS, in recent years, has become more of a political body than a legal one and I tend to dismiss much of what they do. What one court says is okay, another court strikes down as attitudes and mores change. I no longer put a whole bunch of faith or trust in the rulings of the SCOTUS, ESPECIALLY after they ducked the McCain Campaign Finance Reform Law that Bush II signed which he knew violated the first Amendment. It was only about political favoritism, not correcting the money in politics problem.

The issue with Obama, at present, is NOT about the qualifications for president, it is about whether or not he meets the requirements of a natural born citizen. If he does not meet those requirements, he cannot meet the qualifications of POTUS. If you notice, in EVERY case challenging Obama’s eligibility, the plaintiffs have ALL been struck down by various federal courts, INCLUDING the SCOTUS, as lacking the standing to bring such an action. If we believe that the Constitution is THE law of the land, then ANY citizen of the United States should have the standing to bring such a fundamental Constitutional issue into the court for interpretation. That NO citizen of this country has been found to have such standing suggests that this is more of a political issue than a legal one and that is precisely what the Founding Fathers were trying to prevent.

So, if you want to follow the rulings and oral discussions of the SCOTUS on these issues, be my guest. IMO, until they get back to their original charter of INTERPRETING law on the basis of the Constitution, they are simply one more political body.


85 posted on 05/03/2011 8:02:36 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Thanks! And wow!


86 posted on 05/04/2011 6:55:17 AM PDT by klamath (growth of the welfare state is difficult to check before it comes to its full flower of dictatorship)
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To: little jeremiah
LJ - heard back form my business associate. Longest email he has ever written me. Basic highlights:

1. This BC is a fake for the simple reason it has no seal.

2. The obfuscation about the “represents” the record is a clear escape clause for someone.

3. Lousy job with the mechanics of the document. At the very least it should of been printed and rescanned to cover up the dither and layers.

4. Would pass muster in most counties to do legal things( but it might in some US States.)

87 posted on 05/04/2011 3:26:21 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Thanks very much for remembering to ping me!

Did you mean “would pass muster” or would not?

“4. Would pass muster in most counties to do legal things( but it might in some US States.)”

Interesting about the “escape clause” - could you be more specific?


88 posted on 05/04/2011 3:56:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

No problem. Actually I did mean “would NOT”. Sorry can’t type anymore!!!


89 posted on 05/04/2011 4:32:34 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

That’s all right. I don’t trust my eyesight either, and sometimes there’s a short cirtuit between point A and point B if you get my drift.

Could you elucidate about the escape clause for the simple minded among us? :-)


90 posted on 05/04/2011 4:35:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Seems that if you created the document and get hauled into court for it you can argue that it was not a forgery - it “represented” the facts as they were told to you. Very fine line but could keep a person out of jail.


91 posted on 05/04/2011 4:39:59 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Thanks again. I thought it meant some sort of CYA thing and that explains it. I assume that could exonerate the forger, but not the one who ordered the forgery.


92 posted on 05/04/2011 4:48:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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