Are you an envirnonmentalist or a conservationist?

Red State Zombie ^ | July 2, 2011 | Red State Zombie

[Gum Shoe]

I remember taking a forestry class my freshman year of college. The curriculum, presented by a veteran instructor from the California Department of Forestry, covered several related topics that included ecology, biology, life cycles, wild-land fire control, conservation, and commerce based on those natural resources. I never heard the associate professor use the word "environment" or "environmentalist" during the course. Granted, it was years ago, and course outlines do change over time as new information on any given subject becomes available. But, the disconnect suggests the environmentalist movement is a recent concoction that has little basis in traditional resource management and everything to do do with political manipulation and empowerment.

From my experience, most environmentalists seem to be liberal socialists. Their champions are people like Al Gore, and Van Jones. Both communists. So, what attracts communists to environmentalism? I think they have a tremendous conflict with the concept of private property. Long standing traditions in The United States of America allow for private citizens to own property. Private property is a cornerstone of the American experience. Environmentalism is the only way to attack private property ownership that allows sufficient cover. Since most American communist politicians hate to be outed, environmentalism is the only game in town. They have realized you don't have to own the property to control it. You only need passage of some environmental "protection" laws whitewashed with some noble verbiage, and there you have it. You have exclusive control - or benefit - without the obligations of purchase.

The liberal socialists have pieced together a coalition of dupes/useful idiots to this end. In addition to the hardcore communist leadership element of the environmentalist movement, their coalition includes those who worship the creation rather than the Creator, sycophants in it for the power and/or money, and some decent people that truly believe they are doing right by the world in which they live. Hey, who wouldn't want clean air and water?

The point to this rant is this: there is a stark difference between environmentalism and conservationism. I can comfortably state I appreciate clean air and water. I enjoy a beautiful mountain or coastal vista as much as the next guy. I believe God gave the earth, and rights to its bounty, to His ultimate creation : humanity. I'm not willing to place a fundamental right like property ownership, also an inalienable right, on the alter of some socialist, neo-religion like environmentalism. So, my question to you dear reader is this: are you a conservationist, or an environmentalist?

[Fiddlstix]

Today farmers still practice it because its the smart thing to do.

Yes they do. It's because of the lessons learned in the dust bowl days. Thank God they learned well too.

[Fiddlstix]

.....Behind nearly every fervent environmentalist is a neo-communist bent on eradicating private property and private property rights.

Amen! Brother! Preach It!
That's what it's about and that's all it's about.
They want nothing more than to destroy the greatness of America

[upsdriver]

Are you an envirnonmentalist or a conservationist?

I keep my house, yard and vehicles clean and enjoy taking naps so I imagine I am both.

[marsh2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADN85Hi41L8&feature=player_embedded#at=11 This is a meeting of the new “Foothills Legacy” program - an attempt to place up to 3.4 million acres of CA foothills in Conservation Easements under the USFWS.

Here is Agenda 21 http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_01.shtml

1995 GBA - Global Biodiversity Assessment http://www.freedom.org/reports/gba10.htm (WWF, ICUN how to implement biodiversity treaty. Last 200 pages Section 13 deals with “system of protected areas” (Core areas, buffer zones) Page 993 Wildlands Project is central theme of “protected areas” ; Global Biodiversity Assessment: Section 10 (A condensation by Henry Lamb and Dr. Michael Coffman) http://freedom.org/reports/gba10.htm

Here is a full page of links to implementation of Agenda 21, the Convention on Climate Change, Sustainable Development from the national to the CA state level.
http://users.sisqtel.net/armstrng/agenda21.htm

Caution, you are likely to be overwhelmed as to far into the fabric of our government and society this has spread.

[Flycatcher]

Thanks for those links.

Thanks to you and many other great FReepers, I've learned a lot about Agenda 21 and the insidious creep of socialism across the nation.

It makes my blood boil that there is a whole generation of young lemmings falling for this neo-communist, anti-private property global movement.

We need to expose their motives and publicize the tactics of Agenda 21 as much as possible to counterbalance the debate.

Thanks for your post!

[Darksheare]

Conservation in the past meant ‘stewardship’ of the land which entailed use of the land.
Conservation these days means locking something away so that humans don’t touch it.

[Mobties]

To me, “conservationism” always meant diligent stewardship or management while “preservationism” describes a policy of letting nature take its own course, even when that means no clearing of brush or dead trees and forest fires or mosquito swamps regularly ensue.

“Environmentalism” seems more and more associated with the unscientific junk science creed that everything resulting from industry and civilization is a blight that should be taxed or made illegal.

Odd how the same or similar words mean different things to different people.

[Inyo-Mono]

I remember quite clearly when the enviromentalist movement started in the early ‘70s when the city hippies started backpacking in the Sierra calling themselves “ecologists.”

[jazusamo]

Excellent article and great posts on the thread. Not much can be added, I’ll just say this.

Conservationists - Conservatives/Caretakers of private and public lands.

Environmentalists - Leftists/Communists denying use of lands both private and public.

Thanks for the ping, Fly.

[cyclotic]

I had a conversation with a US Senator on talk radio once on this very subject. He was a conservative and said “we’re all environmentalists.” He was ignorant of the crucial differences. I like to think I educated him a little bit.

I’ve planted a few hundred trees, practice a leave no trace outdoor lifestyle and have no problem chopping down a tree or using any of the resources God gives us.

[Betis70]

Love the sig. Everything about love of nature and conservation, I learned in the Boy Scouts of America. We’d gather dead wood for campfires, but we’d also police our campsites before leaving, making sure to take any litter (whether ours or not) with us. If we missed 1 piece of garbage, our Scoutmaster would make us line back up and do it again. We had trail maintenance weekends, clean-ups of local cemeteries (some of which pre-date our country and were woefully overgrown), raise money by collecting newspapers back before every city started doing it.

Ironically some of the kids who used to poke fun at us as kids now go on long hikes and camp outs and post on Facebook or email about it like they are doing something unique.

I just smile and think “Dude, I’ve been doing that since I was 11.”

[Fiddlstix]

I remember quite clearly when the enviromentalist movement started in the early ‘70s when the city hippies started backpacking in the Sierra calling themselves “ecologists.”

That's the way I remember it. The first time I ever heard or read the words ecology or ecologist was in the 70's.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was the Sierra Club that was the big "promoters" of the so called ecology movement of the time, Earth day and all that crap.
Truth be known the Sierra Club should have to change the name to "Sierra Communists Club".
Truth in advertizing and all that.

[marsh2]

http://www.unesco.de/fileadmin/medien/Dokumente/unesco-heute/uh2-07-p13-15.pdf

UNESCO’s Man and the Biosphere (MAB)
Programme was established in 1970.
The idea originated at the ‘Biosphere
Conference’ in September 1968 in Paris,
the official title of which was ‘Scientific
basis for Rational Use and Conservation
of the Resources of the Biosphere’. It
was organised by UNESCO in cooperation
with the World Conservation Union
(IUCN) and the International Biological
Programme (IBP).

The biggest environmental player known in the US was World Wildlife Federation. 1980 ICUN World Conservation Strategy; The World Conservation Strategy was formulated by the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN) in cooperation with the U.N. Environmental Program (UNEP) and World Wildlife Fund (WWF), FAO and UNESCO. http://data.iucn.org/dbtw-wpd/edocs/WCS-004.pdf

I do know the Sierra Club was invlved by 1991 and “Caring for the Earth” http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/caring/care-earth5.txt You can see their analysis here: http://rcellarius.us/Caring_Retrospective.pps#319,13,Caring for the Earth. A Strategy for Sustainable Living (1991)

[Inyo-Mono]

You are correct. The Sierra Club did promote the “ecology” movement big time.

[Fiddlstix]

Thanks for the heads up. It’s appreciated.

[Fiddlstix]

Yeah. I was pretty sure Sierra Club are big time promoters.
As far as I'm concerned Sierra Club is a bunch of elitist snob marxists goons.
Sierra Club "loves" nature just about as much as I'd love to take a swim in a septic tank.
Idiots.

[mjp]

The environmentalists are

1) those that have an irrational fear and hatred of economic progress
2) commies
3) those that accept the anti-man premise that nature possesses intrinsic value apart from all contribution to human life and well being and that man is evil and capitalism is evil because they destroy nature

[cyclotic]

I was never a Boy Scout but I made sure my sons got involved. Fantastic organization. I tell the boys in our troop that they will get to do stuff most boys nowadays can’t even dream of doing.

We just moved and had an opportunity to start a new troop. Except for three boys, all are brand new. On our first campout, all their meals were cooked on the campfire.

[Betis70]

My dad only got to Tenderfoot, but his sons (3) all got Eagle Scout. He was Scoutmaster for the early part of my BSA experience, and I ‘tagged’ along for many of the camp outs and wilderness trips my older brothers went on.

I had the privilege of going to Philmont with my dad, and also a National Jamboree in Fort AP Hill VA. Two of the highlights of my BSA experience.

[girlangler]

I just returned from the Gila National Forest a few minutes ago.

Up in Catron County I had a eye opening view of what “environmentalism” is all about. Burned forest and wildlife habitat, with so much fuel on the ground more catastophic fires are coming.

When you look at all the wildlife refuges, state forest lands you see first hand what was purchased by conservationists.

Hunters and anglers are conservationists. And you are right Flycatcher, the new environmentalist is a anti private property, anti rural, we know better than you peasants, commie.