Obama's Forged Birth Certificate and The History Of Political Image Tampering

ObamaFake ^ | 7/22/11 | Proe Graphique

[charlene4]

When people hear that Obama's birth certificate is a fake, some people (the number is shrinking) shake their heads in disbelief - or feign disbelief - and say things like, "That's impossible', "not in this day and age" and "Not in our country". Those are the same refrains voiced by Russians when Stalin took power, and what the Germans said when Hitler's sadistic rein of terror began (by the way and for the record, Stalin murdered 40-60 million of his own people, Hitler about 7 million, if you're into body counting to score left/right political points. Hitler was also a "Nazi Socialist", meaning the left wing is simply lying when they attach conservatism to Nazism, anyway. Stalin and Hitler were simply variations of the same totalitarian, media-controlling coin, and entirely apart from any free-market, first amendment-loving, free-society conservative notions that have ever existed).

Not only do we now know that Obama's birth certificate is a pathetic fake from the fact that the digital image practically crumbles in your hands upon examination, but there is a long precedent for the forgery used by the highest leaders in the most powerful nations. Those forgeries are what this illustrated post is about, because Obama's forged birth certificate is serious business. As a devout communist virtually by his own admission in his autobiography, the realities of those past forgeries would not be unknown to Obama, and may figure heavily in his thinking. Indeed, Obama's own 2008 campaign art reflects a very heavy soviet propaganda influence in its style:

[DiogenesLamp]

Okay, so if we assume that Obama claimed he was born in Kenya until he ran for President, where are all the examples of that? Anything other than the Kenyan Standard article?

You didn't notice that the Michelle video saying he was "Kenyan" was from 2007?

Also did you see this article from 2004? Those internet crazies sure started their conspiracy a long time ago.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

[DiogenesLamp]

Here is a link to a 2006 article claiming he was from Indonesia.

Crafty birthers.

[DiogenesLamp]

Mostly they just laugh.

I suspect at least one of your personalities laughs for no reason at all.

The Hawaiian Department of Health says: “On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.” http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

Yes, but the only thing which has any legal weight is that stamp and it does not say that. It says it is just a copy or abstract of the record on file. It does not assert that the "record on file" is original and unaltered.

[Vickery2010]

“You didn’t notice that the Michelle video saying he was “Kenyan” was from 2007?”

You didn’t read my post? Because that’s exactly what I was talking about when you linked to the video saying it was from 2007, and I wrote three paragraphs about it, starting with “So she called him “Kenyan.” I have a friend who was born and raised in South Carolina. And yet she calls herself “Columbian.” Do you know why? Because her PARENTS were from Columbia.”

“Also did you see this article from 2004?”

The Kenyan Standard article?

Again, do you even read posts before you respond to them? Because again, I already wrote: “Okay, so if we assume that Obama claimed he was born in Kenya until he ran for President, where are all the examples of that? Anything other than the Kenyan Standard article?”

So why are you asking if I noticed things that I’ve already written about?

But hey, as long as you’re claiming that even one erroneous report could represent the REAL TRUTH, how about this: an Associated Press article that said George W. Bush was born in Texas.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=53490

Why the discrepancy? Surely George W. Bush knows what STATE he was born in. Why was this reporter not in lockstep with the rest of the media? Given this kind of inconsistency, how can we know where Dubya was born?

[jh4freedom]

Yes, but the only thing which has any legal weight is that stamp and it does not say that. It says it is just a copy or abstract of the record on file. It does not assert that the “record on file” is original and unaltered.

That’s the only stamp and Registrar’s signature that is ever put on any Hawaii birth certificate. Judges and the federal government (for passport purposes) accept the Hawaii Registar’s stamp as proof of authentification.

“On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”—State of Hawaii Department of Health Media Release

[DiogenesLamp]

So why are you asking if I noticed things that I’ve already written about?

Because the significance of them is seemingly not sinking in. They demonstrate that "birthers" weren't the ones making up this crap.

Why the discrepancy? Surely George W. Bush knows what STATE he was born in. Why was this reporter not in lockstep with the rest of the media? Given this kind of inconsistency, how can we know where Dubya was born?

Show me a video of Laura Bush saying that and you might have a valid point.

[El Sordo]

A few days or so later, the Advertiser printed this retraction:

“CORRECTION: A correction on this story was published on Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. A Page One story last Sunday contained incorrect information about his birthplace.”

This has been well known since 2006.

This in one of the things that I find odd about you. You roll on into FR and start tossing long debunked stuff about as if it's new information. Any day now I'm expecting you to claim that travel to Pakistan was barred to Americans in the 80’s.

Now I've got nothing against newbies, but at least have the courtesy to do some superficial research before you bandy about another Birther rumor that was debunked years ago.

[DiogenesLamp]

That’s the only stamp and Registrar’s signature that is ever put on any Hawaii birth certificate.

Maybe so, but it does not address the issue of whether we are seeing an "Original" document or not. An Earlier stamp used by Hawaii said "... A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD...". Hawaii's current stamp is a bunch of Lawyer weasel words intended to obfuscate the truth. I'm sure they could find that old stamp lying around in a drawer somewhere. That they chose not to use it is not proof that the new one is therefore legitimate.

Judges and the federal government (for passport purposes) accept the Hawaii Registar’s stamp as proof of authentification.

For the purpose of establishing the identity of a passport applicant, a subsequently legally amended or replaced birth certificate is just fine. For purposes of establishing whether or not the PRESIDENT was actually born in Hawaii, a more certain degree of proof is required. Europe has had to deal with false claims of heredity using documents from other nations for years. They now require proof in the form of an Apostille.They don't play these stupid games of "This is just as good as real proof."

[DiogenesLamp]

“CORRECTION: A correction on this story was published on Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. A Page One story last Sunday contained incorrect information about his birthplace.”

This has been well known since 2006.

This in one of the things that I find odd about you. You roll on into FR and start tossing long debunked stuff about as if it's new information. Any day now I'm expecting you to claim that travel to Pakistan was barred to Americans in the 80’s.

Now I've got nothing against newbies, but at least have the courtesy to do some superficial research before you bandy about another Birther rumor that was debunked years ago.

Again, you are missing the point. The point I am arguing is that it wasn't "Birthers" that started these rumors just after the election in 2008. Obviously the Hawaiian newspaper was unaware he was supposed to be from Hawaii until someone pointed it out to them. That the article was corrected is irrelevant to the point. Do try to keep up with the discussion.

[El Sordo]

How do you separate rumors from simple errors?

This 2006 article was an error that was quickly recognized and corrected.

Birthers didn’t come into existence until 2007 or so.

[charlene4]

Maybe you could use this to help prove there is certainly somethin stinkin in HI. I can not keep up with the twisted logic that some post. You on the other hand can!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/07/where-was-obama-in-all-of-1981-he-wasnt.html
Pamela got some info that looks an awful lot like somethin needs ‘splainin’. No matter what the travel advisory was at the time , we know he was there.

[jh4freedom]

“Maybe so, but it does not address the issue of whether we are seeing an “Original” document or not. An Earlier stamp used by Hawaii said “... A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD...”. Hawaii’s current stamp is a bunch of Lawyer weasel words intended to obfuscate the truth. I’m sure they could find that old stamp lying around in a drawer somewhere. That they chose not to use it is not proof that the new one is therefore legitimate.”

“Lawyer weasel words” are exactly what Courts want to see when ruling on the authenticity of a birth record.

Health Director Fuddy’s letter and the previous letters of former Health Director Fukino are domestic “apostilles” since real apostilles are not used in the United States due to our “full faith and credit” clause in the Constitution. Apostilles are unnecessary within the US.
The state of Hawaii says that they issued a copy of the ORIGINAL birth certificate.
There is no court of law and no committee of Congress that won’t accept the state’s word, stamp of certification and Seal on a document.
The same Registrar certification stamp is on EVERY legitimate birth certificate issued in Hawaii, short form or long form.
However both Director Fuddy and former director Fukino plus Registrar Onaka could be deposed/called to testify if anyone in an official capacity needed further clarification of Hawaii’s “weasel words.”

[charlene4]

” Seal on a document”
I think there may be a problem with that pesky seal!
Txe registrars smiley faced stamp still baffles me.
BUT you are probably right, what court or passport office etc would be so intelligent as to realize there is a problem?
Many get away with fake bc’s, fake Selective Service and fake SS#’s. Those, though, are probably better fakes!
I just see so much questionable evidence and not much in the way of proving otherwise. There is something in this woodpile.

http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/about/facts-about-the-hdoh-official-seal/

[charlene4]

“Keeps demonstrating itself every time you post”

I love when your Lamp shines its’ LIGHT!

Thx!

[jh4freedom]

” Seal on a document”
I think there may be a problem with that pesky seal!
Txe registrars smiley faced stamp still baffles me.
BUT you are probably right, what court or passport office etc would be so intelligent as to realize there is a problem?
Many get away with fake bc’s, fake Selective Service and fake SS#’s. Those, though, are probably better fakes!
I just see so much questionable evidence and not much in the way of proving otherwise. There is something in this woodpile.
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/about/facts-about-the-hdoh

What any citizen should do with evidence of the crimes of forgery and identity theft having been committed is present that evidence to a law enforcement agency.

[El Sordo]

Ahhh, the razor sharp insight of Miss Tickly.

That's the way the Hawaiian seal works for BC’s. It reads from the de-bossed side and is raised on the back. Another Freeper from Hawaii confirmed this with their BC, IIRC.

But, Miss Tickly, being Miss Tickly, is pretty much incapable of admitting to an error.

That's part of what got her pointed to the door here at FR.

[DiogenesLamp]

How do you separate rumors from simple errors?

This 2006 article was an error that was quickly recognized and corrected.

Birthers didn’t come into existence until 2007 or so.

The effects of rumors or errors can magnify over time. People may have seen the original article and mention it in conversation that "Barack" was born somewhere else. As time passes, people may often remember that tidbit even if it's not true. Indeed, my recollection is that from the first time I ever heard of "this rising new "Star" in the Democrat Party" (After some speech he gave at one of their conventions.) he was always associated with the word "Kenya." I REMEMBER the media reporting him as having some association with Kenya, and I thought it was always said he was from Kenya, but I am no longer so sure of my memory on this. Like I said, till he became a somebody, nobody gave a crap about him.

[DiogenesLamp]

Maybe you could use this to help prove there is certainly somethin stinkin in HI. I can not keep up with the twisted logic that some post. You on the other hand can!

Thanks! I do my best. :)

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/07/where-was-obama-in-all-of-1981-he-wasnt.html Pamela got some info that looks an awful lot like somethin needs ‘splainin’. No matter what the travel advisory was at the time , we know he was there.

1981 is a VERY interesting year regarding Barrack Obama. Strangely, Barack Obama was supposedly in New York Attending Columbia University during that year. (Not that anyone remembers him at all.) It was the year that the last gasp of the Weather Underground collaborated with a group called the "Black Liberation Army" to rob an armored car. It just so happens that one of Obama's relatives (Sekou Odinga)was a participant in that robbery, was captured alive, and is still in prison serving time for that robbery. This is what he looked like.

Given Obama's political Proclivities in 1981, he should have been at ground zero amongst the people planning and executing this robbery, but strangely enough, he claims to have kept to himself during this period.

Zombie Time did a pretty good essay about this missing period in Barry's life. Anyway, You might want to read it as well. It basically argues that Barry was right in the thick of these people planning the robbery, yet disavows any connection with them.

[DiogenesLamp]

Health Director Fuddy’s letter and the previous letters of former Health Director Fukino are domestic “apostilles” since real apostilles are not used in the United States due to our “full faith and credit” clause in the Constitution. Apostilles are unnecessary within the US. The state of Hawaii says that they issued a copy of the ORIGINAL birth certificate.

Again, you are missing the legal distinction between "Say" and "swear." They may "Say" anything they like and it does not need to be true. But when they sign and stamp something, they can be held legally responsible if it is later determined to be untrue. They have not "affirmed" anything about the document being the "original" record. They just say "Record on File." As I have continuously pointed out, *I* have an Original record on file that is sealed, and I have the current "record on file" which is not original. My ORIGINAL record has my real name and the names of my real parents. My CURRENT record on file has my adopted name, and the names of my adoptive parents.

Does it not sink in that we cannot allow any of the usual adoption games to be played regarding the legitimacy of a President?

There is no court of law and no committee of Congress that won’t accept the state’s word, stamp of certification and Seal on a document.

If evidence is presented that Barry is Adopted, I suspect they would insist on seeing the original. In any case, the legitimacy of a Presidency should not be handled in the Usual way. It has a special status in our Constitution, so no uncertainty should be tolerated.

The same Registrar certification stamp is on EVERY legitimate birth certificate issued in Hawaii, short form or long form.

For every usage except the Presidency, this stamp is adequate.

However both Director Fuddy and former director Fukino plus Registrar Onaka could be deposed/called to testify if anyone in an official capacity needed further clarification of Hawaii’s “weasel words.”

I would very much like to see them deposed. Clarification has always been needed. We never should have tolerated this degree of obfuscation from the very beginning.

[jh4freedom]

“Again, you are missing the legal distinction between “Say” and “swear.” They may “Say” anything they like and it does not need to be true. But when they sign and stamp something, they can be held legally responsible if it is later determined to be untrue. They have not “affirmed” anything about the document being the “original” record. They just say “Record on File.” As I have continuously pointed out, *I* have an Original record on file that is sealed, and I have the current “record on file” which is not original. My ORIGINAL record has my real name and the names of my real parents. My CURRENT record on file has my adopted name, and the names of my adoptive parents.

Does it not sink in that we cannot allow any of the usual adoption games to be played regarding the legitimacy of a President?

If evidence is presented that Barry is Adopted, I suspect they would insist on seeing the original. In any case, the legitimacy of a Presidency should not be handled in the Usual way. It has a special status in our Constitution, so no uncertainty should be tolerated.

For every usage except the Presidency, this stamp is adequate.”

What in addition to the state Seal and the certification stamp is required for the birth certificate of a president? Did previous presidents present additional forms of verification?

Its probably a good idea to pursue the closed adoption theory. It would be a novel approach even though its OK for a President to have been adopted, if born in the US. Leslie Lynch King, Junior was adopted and so was William Blythe III.

Barack Hussein Obama of Kenya, East Africa is listed as birth father and Stanley Ann Obama is listed as birth mother on the original birth certificate, also in the state Index data for all 1961 Hawaii births, addtionally on the Vital Statistics reports published in the Honolulu newspapers for August 13 and August 14, 1961 and in the 1964 Obama divorce decree: “One child has been born to said libellant and libellee as issue of said marrigage, to wit: Barack Hussein Obama, II, a son., born August 4, 1961.”
Those will be tough evidentiary hurdles to overcome but I’m not saying that it’s impossible, however the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit clause is still in force.

Has any state, any court or any committee of Congress challenged Hawaii’s already issued verifications of those birth records?