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Posted on 12/03/2011 12:27:29 AM PST by Kevmo
NASA’s Bushnell: BTW LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy
admin on December 2, 2011 — 9 Comments
The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!
Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation
The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments
Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”
Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”
The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”
Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.
Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”
Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs
Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2
Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith
Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection
Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]
Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction
For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]
In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.
Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices
Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories
The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena
SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D
BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy
We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.
From the NASA website
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm
Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.
Relevant Presentation: + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].
There are plenty of reasons to doubt Rossi. But there are far fewer reasons to doubt Levi, Kullander, Stremmenos, etc.
That’s why I post that little blurb someone else wrote.
Your post does not address this.
The hot air balloon of hype has reached “leo”,
***Hey, that’s pretty good writin’
Not that I agree with you, but at least it’s good writin’.
He has sold/delivered one. ONE,Correction: He claims to have sold several. There is no independent information that he has sold any.
This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Lx.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. Maybe you should sign up for a few more years of therapy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2813439/posts?page=91#91
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=165#165
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2811976/posts?page=164#164
• Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:55:59 PM • 164 of 169
Lx to Kevmo
I see...years of therapy on your horizon, better start now.
It’s really helped me be nicer, more sympathetic and understanding.
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The title of the article is what it is. FR rules say that you’re supposed to post it unchanged so that others can search for it and don’t post it again.
Saying “NASA’s Bushnell confuses the question.
Hey, admin mod.
This FReeper called me the worst name in FReeperdom — liberal. ;-) And liar to boot. If that isn’t a personal attack, what is?
By the way, both accusations are false.
Conquering Climate Change
By Dennis M. Bushnell
http://www.wfs.org/April-May2010/Bushnell.htm
Unless we act, the next century could see increases in species extinction, disease, and floods affecting one third of human population. But the tools for preventing this scenario are in our hands.
Mom! CodeToad’s being mean to me.
This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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True enough, but in the area where you put your usual spam, you can explain why the title isn't accurate. It'll show that you've actually read and comprehend what you're in such a hurry to copy and paste.
Bushnell's record is both a mile wide and a mile deep. I had no problem locating a biographical sketch (and no, I didn't save the link).
It's obvious that he is very much a "research engineer" (256 publications vs only 6 patents).
Some personal thoughts on LENR. E-cat may very well be a scam. It has a certain odor of a scam. However, the AEC and the atomic energy world has long been politicized. Look what happened to experiments with thorium reactors. Fleischmann and Pons were on to something, as born out by repeat experiments around the world; but they were denigrated and silenced. Jokingly, at the time I said to my brother that if they’ve been bought off, they’re probably frolicking on the Riviera surrounded by dancing girls. Somewhat later I found that at least one of them was working at a Japanese-financed laboratory near Nice, France. I don’t know why there was so much opposition. Oil interests? Physicists with a permanent gig in high-temperature fusion? What ever.
If e-cat is a scam, it may be being financed by interests that want to discredit other LENR research.
What's the problem? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Whatsa matter McFly?
In other words, he's not an administrator but an engineer who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. That's the kind of folk I respect.
I stand corrected.
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