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To Obama, a $50 billion lunar colony is chump change
citizen5408.com ^ | January 29, 2012 | Greg C.

Posted on 01/29/2012 9:30:10 AM PST by FreedomFighter1013

While Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich has been mocked repeatedly by his chief rival, Mitt Romney, there is a compelling series of arguments to be made for returning to the moon, this time in the form of a permanent Lunar colony. Indeed, the Lunar colony idea had been articulated by President George W. Bush in 2004 and was based on solid research developed by many serious thinkers in the space community. It had also been ratified by 2 different congresses, in 2005 and 2008. In fact, the first lunar colony was planned in the mid-1960s, called ALSS (Apollo Logistics Support System) Lunar Base and was cancelled in 1968.

Lunar Colony_1967 Roy Scarfo

Nevertheless, the recent $5-plus trillion run up in our national debt over the last 3 years have made many people less expansive in their thinking when it comes to space exploration for exploration's sake, that is without a concrete, read: commercial, application. more here

(Excerpt) Read more at gregcontreras.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: colony; moon; newt; spudis
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To: frithguild
They left for the moon on my hubby's birthday, landed on my son's birthday and came back on my mother's birthday.

Met one of the astronauts at some point in time. He had an encased moonrock with him.

It was an exciting time.

Terribly embarrassed by Sputnik though.

21 posted on 01/29/2012 11:16:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GOYAKLA

Prizes are nothing new. Read David Sobel’s “Longitude”.


22 posted on 01/29/2012 11:18:28 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Not to be picky, but to equate the title incorporating a $50 billon dollar price tag with a colony on the moon is downright ludicrous.


23 posted on 01/29/2012 11:19:11 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: frithguild

From xkcd

24 posted on 01/29/2012 11:19:36 AM PST by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: supercat

I agree space exploration is a benefit. I do not believe that a proposal for colonization of the moon, i.e., establishing a ‘moon base’ during a Florida Primary (i.e., to the Space Coast Denizens) has met the mettle of a balanced consideration of pros and cons.....Sorry, I’m for Newt because he may be able to beat Romney, but take this proposal and surrounding issues for what they are worth at this particular time and place (FLORIDA).


25 posted on 01/29/2012 11:22:25 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

WE should give it up and let the Chinese have the moon?


26 posted on 01/29/2012 11:30:21 AM PST by Venturer
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To: FreedomFighter1013
Somebody is already up there.

Who is it?
Nobody knows, or if they do, they are not telling.

Lunar Colonies

The Japanese launched three satellites to orbit and photograph the moon in 2007. Google launched "Google Moon" shortly thereafter where you can view these unadulterated images.

In one particular spot, there appears to be some kind of mining operation going on... see the images as released by the Japanese Space Organization that took the pics and released them and shared them with Google.

Somebody is up there doing something.

One thing you could assume, that would make sense, is that a body like the moon would be a great place to mine asteroids, as they would strike and be easy to recover. The moon has no erosion, no rain or elements that can corrode recoverable resources - so a rare-element asteroid that crashed into the moon would be recoverable billions of years after it first struck.
So all of these images occur around craters, as if some valuable mining/recovery process is going on.

Don't believe it? Take a look. Look up the images by their coordinates on Google Moon or on the photos released by Japan's space agency.

Any explanations?

Lunar Colony Collection

27 posted on 01/29/2012 11:40:52 AM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Gaffer

Also not to be picky. :^}
Totals of “LOST” USA Dollars Approximately $2.097 Billion on these two Money Pits, alone
We have naught to show for those fiascos. I would rather have given them to someone who actually delivered!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/business/energy-environment/energy-secretary-defends-solyndra-loan.html

The bankruptcy of Solyndra, the solar powercompany that took $528 million in government loans, was “extremely unfortunate,” Steven Chu, the energy secretary, told lawmakers on Thursday. But he rejected a suggestion put forward by a Republican that he or his department should apologize.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/us/politics/2nd-us-loan-to-solyndra-said-to-have-been-considered.html

Late Tuesday, House Democrats released an e-mail exchange between officials of the Office of Management and Budget on May 24, 2010, that suggested the second application was for $469 million. President Obama visited the factory on the next day, despite growing concerns about the company’s financial problems.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-cars-finland/story?id=14770875#.TyWbaONSTeQ
Vice President Joseph Biden heralded the Energy Department’s $529 million loan to the start-up electric car company called Fisker as a bright new path to thousands of American manufacturing jobs. But two years after the loan was announced, the company’s manufacturing jobs are still limited to the assembly of the flashy electric Fisker Karma sports car in Finland.
The loan to Fisker is part of a $1 billion bet the Energy Department has made in two politically connected California-based electric carmakers producing sporty — and pricey — cutting-edge autos. Fisker Automotive, backed by a powerhouse venture capital firm whose partners include former Vice President Al Gore, predicts it will eventually be churning out tens of thousands of electric sports sedans at the shuttered GM factory it bought in Delaware. And Tesla Motors, whose prime backers include PayPal mogul Elon Musk and Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, says it will do the same in a massive facility tooling up in Silicon Valley.


28 posted on 01/29/2012 11:47:01 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: Gaffer
Consider a moon base in lieu of our "former" space station. But I don't know how to compare the two.

Can we do more from a moon base?

The next big step might be "Mary the astronaut had a baby girl". Of course, she named it Venus. If it was a boy, she was going to name it ......... ;_)

29 posted on 01/29/2012 12:57:33 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MHGinTN
Your comment on my post makes zero sense.... The proof I have is that Newt did not retort to Mitt's firing comment... Did you watch the debate? Reason I am surprise is credible scientists have been on radio commenting about the potential of He3. Newt, the candidate with many ideas, did not have that rebuttal ready.... It surprised me and played into Mitt's claim that Newt was pandering.
30 posted on 01/29/2012 2:07:45 PM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; ELS; ToxicMich; Cronos; Art in Idaho; perplyone; TheOldLady; Oiao; nepppen; ...



31 posted on 01/29/2012 3:11:01 PM PST by KevinDavis (Ron Paul called Ronald Reagan a miserable failure.....)
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To: Gaffer
That's the price Dr. Spudis place upon it. He also says he's ready to be ridiculed, but can back it up. It's all in the article here.
32 posted on 01/29/2012 3:37:43 PM PST by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama: The Man, the Myth, the Marxist)
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To: KevinDavis

Hi, Ping!


33 posted on 01/29/2012 3:42:56 PM PST by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama: The Man, the Myth, the Marxist)
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To: Bon mots

I must be blind. I don’t see anything manmade in those youtube videos. Or extraterrestrial intelligent either.


34 posted on 01/30/2012 2:54:07 AM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: frithguild

Nations signed those UN treaties. If a private company managed to get to the moon who could stop it’s development?

Embargo moon minerals? Storm the launch facilities? The countries certainly couldn’t go to the moon.


35 posted on 01/30/2012 3:32:46 AM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: FreedomFighter1013
the Moon is the pervue of the Chicoms, new...

we have our heads crammed way to far up our collective fundaments...

unless we get a ‘LEADER’ soon we will be the new 3rd world.

36 posted on 01/30/2012 3:50:14 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Space exploration and scientific endeavors are for advanced prosperous societies with an entrepreneurial spirit. We are not that country anymore.


37 posted on 01/30/2012 4:02:26 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: hattend

Private companies will never get to the moon because the 1967 Treaty increases the risk that profits will not be realized. No sane investor will put money at risk. Compare what is in place now with what was in place when the US was building out railroads - times when the rate of capital formation was unmatched.


38 posted on 01/30/2012 5:10:53 AM PST by frithguild (Withdraw from the 1967 Treaty on the Exploration and Use of Outer Space that bans private property)
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To: hattend

Private companies will never get to the moon because the 1967 Treaty increases the risk that profits will not be realized. No sane investor will put money at risk. Compare what is in place now with what was in place when the US was building out railroads - times when the rate of capital formation was unmatched.


39 posted on 01/30/2012 5:11:06 AM PST by frithguild (Withdraw from the 1967 Treaty on the Exploration and Use of Outer Space that bans private property)
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To: GOYAKLA
Newt was right when he said US should put up a prize and private companies would compete to achieve success in space. The remark “No success no prize. Nothing lost!”

Wrong. Time is lost. Irretrievably.

In 2004, Robert Bigelow offered a prize of $50 million to the first company to develop an Earth to low Earth orbit passenger vehicle (America's Space Prize). He needs routine access to LEO to service his inflatable commercial space stations.

The prize offer expired in 2010 without a single attempt at winning it.

Prizes are not panaceas, particularly if what is being attempted is just barely possible by government.

40 posted on 01/30/2012 5:16:46 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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