British National Archives show a son was born to Obama Sr. in 1961 in Kenya

gopthedailydose ^ | May 4, 2013 | Dr. Eowyn

[bgill]

On April 18, 2012, the BNA released the first batch of thousands of “lost” colonial-era files believed to have been destroyed, including files on Britain’s former colony of Kenya. Reporters at the UK’s The Guardian were among the first who looked at some of the newly released colonial files. They found that the name of Barack Obama (henceforth, Obama Sr.), the father of the POS in the White House, is on the top of a list of names revealed in a hitherto secret British colonial file of Kenyans studying in the United States.

[DiogenesLamp]

Fascinating. I always thought that “natural born” referred to biological parents. I learn some thing new every day.

I would expect that "natural born" ought to apply to natural parents, but our legal system, borrowing that old English Common law stuff, says that a Marriage makes all children of the wife, his children, and it doesn't matter if he fathered them or not. Any children she has while married, are His children legally.

As I have been trying to tell you, the law is an ignorant @ss sometimes, and it makes ridiculous and absurd decisions because it is more interested in citing precedent then in arguing from first principles.

Without DNA confirmation, we don’t know for certain who anyone’s fathers are. There is a Constitutional provision under the Full Faith and Credit clause to accept official vital records as authentic and accurate while allowing for legal challenges to the accuracy of any vital record. Obama’s vital records have been challenged scores of times, but thus far not successfully.

"Challenged", in this case, is a euphemism for "not permitted to be challenged." Come off it. None of these judges ever cooperated in any attempt to get at real documents. It was a series of circus shows with no attempt to address what is the actual truth.

All of the Judges played the part of Obi-Wan-Kenobi.

"You don't need to see his identification."

[DiogenesLamp]

Did I say that House Res. 593 “proved” anything?

By implication. What other point is there to citing 378-0?

The resolution might help to explain why the House has been so reluctant to hold hearings on the natural born citizen issue.

The Reluctance is easily explainable by politics. The Democrats absolutely don't care whether their guy is legit or not. The Republicans are terrified that they will be labelled "racists" by the national news media if they make an issue out of this guy's ancestry.

Neither side is motivated by any interest in learning the objective truth. They just want it to go away for their political well being. They are pragmatic, and resent anyone rocking the boat over some trivial principle.

[holden]

"...That child, smart enough to understand that he has been shuffled off by his own mother, and fully aware that his biological father could care less that he was ever born, might grow up thinking abortion is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Even murdering babies that survive abortion attempts would seem like a fine idea to such a bitter child.

The ultimate irony of "covering your own tracks," at which he excels mightily!

HF

[Nero Germanicus]

I’m guessing that you don’t really expect politicians to not be motivated by politics.
“All’s fair in love, war, and politics.” While politicians may intensely dislike the opposition and their policy positions, they all have a deep, abiding respect for whoever it is that goes through the entire grueling process and emerges on top in their chosen profession. They all know how hard it is to get elected to any position and most especially the presidency.
If there was anything to be uncovered, the hundreds of millions of dollars that The Koch Brothers, Donald Trump and Sheldon Adelson alone put into ridding us of Barack Obama should have uncovered a few scintillas of evidence. It didn’t.

[Greenperson]

My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961, even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her. What became of that child?

[WildHighlander57]

Kenny Bunk, you meant bho already had a kid in Kenya in 1961, right?

Kezia ‘s

To: Kenny Bunk

OK,BHO,Sr. Had a kid in Kenya in 1961. Wouldn’t exactly be surprised. BFD. IIRC,he was married to a number of Kenyan Kuties at the time and left spawn all over the tribal areas.

And this one born in Kenya just happened to be born on the same day as Bhobo!?! LOL Okey dokey.

95 posted on Sun May 05 2013 14:55:06 GMT-0500 (CDT) by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn’t be aborted) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

[TigersEye]

If that is what he meant then it was an entirely non-sequitur comment.

[Tennessee Nana]

Chester Arthur was not NBC

He was born in Canada and his father was born in Scotland...

or something like that...

[Seizethecarp]

The claim is that the British National Archive records the birth of a son BHO Sr. in Kenya in 1961.

The thread article is total recapitulation of the article I posted awhile back (with no new information) which was helpfully posted up-thread in comment #45:

OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES
The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:28:21 PM by Seizethecarp

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2908395/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

45 posted on Saturday, May 4, 2013 11:52:49 PM by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)

[WildHighlander57]

http://www.doctorzebra.com/imprez/44tree.png

Roy/Abongo was the first of the kids BHO and Kezia had.

Family tree is in the link, and the kids have numbers next to to their names.

Greenperson wrote:

My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961,even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her. What became of that child?

[ObligedFriend]

Wondering if only Kenyan citizens can inherit from their fathers estate.

[WildHighlander57]

Since the british national archives show a son was born to Obama SR in 1961 in kenya, its not Roy/Abongo .

That family tree link I posted leaves out the dates, but I believe this 1961 kid is the Barack born to Stanley Ann.

If she went to Kenya in 1961 and couldn’t get back to the u.s. due to flight restrictions on flying-while-more-than-8-months-pregnant , that kid was probably Barack Hussein Obama.

And Stanley Ann being 18 at the time of the birth couldn’t convey u.s. citizenship per Section 301 a) 7) of 1952 INA rules; she was married to bho SR.

So then the British citizenship rules apply and he’s listed in THEIR archives.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Anyone can assert that some bit of text or information is somewhere in some document which we aren’t seeing, but when the image of the document itself is posted, no one can argue about what is written thereon.
Unless they post an image (or a link to it.) of the document upon which this claim is based, i’m calling fake.

Stop the presses--we agree about something! One question I have that seeing the page might answer is whether it says the 1961 child was born in Kenya. All the story says is

The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled “Burack” and “Biraq”) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961.

I could easily see the colonial officials recording a "vital event" pertaining to BHO Sr. even if it didn't happen in Kenya.

Besides (and here I suspect we part company), why so much trust in Kenyan handwritten records that don't even spell the man's name the same way each time? Would anyone here accept a handwritten entry from Hawaii that "Biraq" Obama had had a son there as proof of BHO's story?

[WildHighlander57]

See #110 and 112; #110 should serve to sort out all the kids.

The big thing is, the kid is in the British archives because his citizenship came from his dad, not his mom.

Agrees with what the fightthesmears web site said (before somebody got to it and dumped that info) about 0’s nationality being governed by bho SR ‘s.

[WildHighlander57]

Another thought, what if Kezia had a kid out of wedlock in Kenya while bho was away....

Need those dates & do a timeline on the wives :0

(Aargh!)

“To: Greenperson

My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961,even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her. What became of that child?

105 posted on Sun May 05 2013 16:58:54 GMT-0500 (CDT) by Greenperson [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

[Fred Nerks]

Wondering if only Kenyan citizens can inherit from their fathers estate.

The information that Mark inherited from his father comes from Dreams, so one needs to retain reservations. If you read the various articles out of Kenya that describe the life of the kenyan student after his marriage to Ruth broke down, he had nothing to leave. He drove a broken down Ford sedan that had been in a number of accidents, he had spent a year sleeping on a friends couch, and if you can believe his daughter Auma's account, there was no food where he was living at the time she went to visit him in Nairobi.

What Mark inherited would seem to be his personal belongings. I imagine that would include his documents and letters and any photographs...there were some photographs the kenyan sent home while he was in the US, which ended up in the hands of Daphne Barak, the photo journalist who visited 'granny' Sarah in the village. Other photographs ended up with Mark, some of which came from Ruth, and Mark showed these in a video.

It's complex. The kenyan had an older brother according to a teacher at the school in Maseno, records show that his name was recorded as Joseph. The students were apparently given english names at this Anglican school. Thus Joseph would have been Yusuf.

Just as Barak (or Barrak) would have been named an english equivalent, and the closest would have been BERWICK. That could be why he insisted on having his name pronounced as BEARIK.

Yusuf is shown as a son of Onyango and Sarah. Wiki has him as being born circ 1950's. Yet Malik (Roy Abongo) introduces him as UNCLE and he is described in an article out of Kenya as as small man with a moustache but that article, although it still exists, has had the photograph of the uncle removed.

As an uncle of Malik, this Yusuf is of the same generation as Barak/Berwick - although they had different mothers. The teacher at Maseno clearly states that JOSEPH was the elder of the two.

As the elder of the two brothers, it is JOSEPH/YUSUF who would inherit the land of his father ONYNAGO. And while he is still alive, Sarah holds a cultural position of authority in the Clan, and is able to refuse Malik, the son of Barak/Berwick permission to erect a mosque on the land, and when Malik became too demanding, she threatened to have him evicted.

Do you follow? If Barak Hussein Obama, son of Onyango, was actually the ELDEST SON of Onyango, Malik would have inherited. He would not have been in altercations with the second wife of his father. She would be beholden to Malik.

Why there's a need to keep the elder son out of the picture beats me, it might have something to do with Barak having been expelled from Maseno? It might be that the year of birth he quoted on his early INS documents, 1934, was actually the birth year of the older brother.

In any case, there's something not right. And that should not surprise any of us. Why would the deception and subterfuge commence with his arrival in Hawaii? The entire scenario, including the airlift story and the friendship with Tom Mboya is also a fabrication.

Did you get more than you asked for? Yes. That's because the devil is in the detail. One day, after Yusuf passes away and joins his ancestors, the position of Clan Elder will pass to Malik - and you will know when that happens, you'll see Malik wearing the cap and carrying the whisk, as the current Clan Elder does now:

[WildHighlander57]

1953. ????

1954 marriage to Kezia?,

1958 birth of Roy/abongo?,

1960 birth of Auma?

1961 birth of bho?

Post #110 doesn’t have dates , but has the birth order.

[Seizethecarp]

“My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961,even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her.”

I haven’t seen any evidence to support that claim and there is evidence that refutes it up through at least May 1962:

http://www.wnd.com/2010/11/226349/

begin quote

A letter Barack Obama Sr. wrote in 1962 raises new questions about the veracity of the official Obama nativity story related by Barack Obama Jr. in his autobiography, “Dreams from My Father.”

In a May 1962 letter he wrote from Hawaii to his political benefactor in Kenya, Tom Mboya, Barack Obama Sr. discusses his “wife,” but without mentioning Ann Dunham, his Hawaiian bride and the mother of the future president.

Toward the end of the letter, Obama wrote, “You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her.”

Clearly Obama Sr. is referring to his first wife, Kezia Aoko, whom he had married in 1954 at age 18 while she was pregnant with their first child. Obama left Kenya in 1959 to study in Hawaii.

He instructs Mboya that his wife Kezia was then staying with her brother, Wilson Odiawo, in Nairobi.

end quote

[WildHighlander57]

Greenperson,

Per the foia’ed INA docs for bho SR , the ina was starting to ask about the wife (kezia) back in Kenya.

If I recall correctly, the ina at the time was concerned about “good moral character “.

“,.......Dr. Eowyn makes a very good point: If BHO the elder had acknowledged the birth of a US citizen son to the INS,that “anchor baby” would be his ticket to stay in the USA. Why didn’t he use that son as an argument against his own deportation,several years later,when he was kicked out of the USA? Barry was supposed to be living in Hawaii at the time,with his mother. Even though they were estranged,his “son” was still his son,wasn’t he?”

[Fred Nerks]

My point is that Kezia is reported to have been pregnant in 1961, even though her husband was in the USA. It’s the reason why BHO Sr. said he divorced her. What became of that child?

Have you ever seen an actual, genuine, provenanced family tree for the Onyango Clan from the village of Kogelo? Do we know what year the kenyan student was born? Can we be a 100% certain that it was Barack Hussein Obama who was born in 1934 who came to Hawaii, or might it have been his brother?

According to articles out of Kenya, one of the two was expelled, one of the two was arrested. Either of these events would have prevented the acceptance of a scholarship at a US university, as the applicant students were vetted by Tom Mboya himself. The kenyan student wasn't an AASF (African American Students Foundation) Grantee. He didn't pass muster. Elizabeth Mooney apparently paid for his airfare. His sponsors are shown as Elizabeth's employer: The Laubach Literacy Fund.

Cora Weiss, acting in some secretarial position for the AASF maintains that organisation sponsored him. Yet the kenyan never listed the AASF on his list of sponsors. He does list the Stokes-Phelps Fund, that was associated with the AASF. But he doesn't acknowledge their contribution as sponsor until he was already at Harvard.

Cora Weiss and Maloolm X met the first contingent of 81 students at Idlewild in September 1959. That was ONE MONTH after the kenyan student had already arrived in Hawaii. He boarded an aircraft in London and landed in New York in August. Kezia famously said that her son was six years old when she saw him off at the airport in Nairobi. Granted, that sounds like a mistake, but all things considered, trying to pin-point when Kezia's numerous offspring were born and who their father/s might have been, could be an exercise in futility. She maintains he came to visit her a number of times when she was working in Mombasa...while he was living in Nairobo with Ruth. How romantic. It didn't bother her who he married in the US she said, because she would always be his first wife. And she didn't need to add, any children she might have had while he was in the US, were also his.