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Communist China Planning Direct Rail Connection to AK-Canada-Lower 48 via Bering Strait Tunnel (!)
Reaganite Republican ^ | 13 May 2014 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 05/13/2014 3:03:13 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

Apparently they seek to lower the cost of dominating our markets while keeping a tight leash on a rudderless debtor
 and efficiently extracting benefits/wealth from Chinese properties (and powerful traitors) in the USA. 

Maybe you 2x Obama voters didn't expect hopenchange to include being sold into economic slavery, yet here we are... thanks, idiots!



A Bering Strait tunnel and/or bridge has been actually been proposed at various times, going back to 1892, and most often by the Russians. Moscow says they are still currently planning a bridge project for $65B, yet experts doubt that their conventional rail approach -if ever actualized- would be able to compete with ships on cost.

The (currently 51-mile) waterway has separated North America from Asia since the end of the last Ice Age, over 7000 years ago, and is only 180ft at its deepest- so that's a plus. Yet weather is obviously a problem, making maintenance and construction of any project only practical in the summer months.

Now it's the Chinese who stand most to gain, and they know that: the government-controlled Chinese Daily says the technology is already sorted for their version: a radical and hyper-ambitous rail line project that would be the largest and most costly in world history (talking 100's of billions of dollars).

It includes special trains and rail enabling 200mph+ runs that would reduce the time for a nonstop run from China-California less than two days. Pipelines/electricity would also run below rail lines, and perhaps a roadway above.

They also expect benefits deriving from the subsequent economic development of hinterland Siberia and interior Alaska, which offer vast natural resources... much as the railroads opened-up the American west in the late 19th century.

But it's hard not to feel like the walls are closing-in: our trade relationship with China is laughably lopsided by any measure -we owe them tons of money- and they're snapping up US real estate like it's going out of style. And these days, they pretty much own our government, too...


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TOPICS: Conspiracy; History; Politics; Travel
KEYWORDS: alaska; bering; beringstrait; canada; china; pipelines; rail; russia; siberia

1 posted on 05/13/2014 3:03:13 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; gattaca; bayliving; SeminoleCounty; chesley; Vendome; ...

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2 posted on 05/13/2014 3:04:11 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
This is ridiculous and will never happen.

The logistics are completely preposterous.

What's next? A pony express over the Bering Strait to replace airmail?

3 posted on 05/13/2014 3:53:33 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I hope you are right


4 posted on 05/13/2014 4:11:05 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: wideawake

There was talk years ago about a high-tech bridge over the Bering Straight with ice-breaking towers that would withstand the migration of ice floes up to 10 meters thick. Apparently it was scrapped.


5 posted on 05/13/2014 4:55:49 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Maybe the Chinese are planning to invade Alaska, when the US defaults on the trillion China owns in bonds they might claim Alaska for compensation. With a railroad in place the take over would be easier.
6 posted on 05/13/2014 5:02:06 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
It would be far easier to build a high-speed train route from Beijing to London through Russia, an almost entirely overland route with much easier conditions - but that hasn't even been suggested.

Why? Because there are multiple daily flights to London, New York and LA from Beijing.

7 posted on 05/13/2014 5:08:01 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: 2001convSVT

You don’t understand treasury debt markets very well.


8 posted on 05/13/2014 5:09:53 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
No I don't, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last month.
9 posted on 05/13/2014 5:28:36 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Evlybody to get from stleet?


10 posted on 05/13/2014 6:49:24 AM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: wideawake

I know.

Like that other proposal to build a tunnel from the UK to France .

Sheesh

People can dream though.


11 posted on 05/13/2014 9:53:40 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Maybe you 2x Obama voters didn't expect hopenchange to include being sold into economic slavery, yet here we are... thanks, idiots!

The idiots are anyone who honestly thinks this bizarre scheme would ever come to pass.

12 posted on 05/13/2014 9:59:42 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: wideawake

The focus of this isn’t personal travel, as it is freight, and freight via air is quick but relatively inefficient. Can only pack so much into a plane.

The point of something like this would be to compete with boat, which is still relatively slow.

An underground tunnel, levitated train in a system with no atmosphere would allow insanely fast freight movement and virtually unlimited volume... just add another car.

This idea isn’t as far fetched as some think, but it is an very expensive proposition but very much could be commercially viable.


13 posted on 05/13/2014 10:04:50 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Vendome
Like that other proposal to build a tunnel from the UK to France .

Not like that in the slightest.

London and Paris are only 200 miles apart, and the technology to join them by train existed as early as 1840.

It took 150 years to build because of the great expense, despite the fact that it was obviously extremely practical.

It is a 4.5 hour round trip, less than 2 hours longer than a roundtrip flight, and arguably far more convenient, since the train takes you to either city's center.

It is about 7,000 miles from Beijing to Seattle. If a speed train route were built, it would take at absolute minimum 40 hours compared to an 11 hour nonstop flight.

It would also require financing 7,000 miles of track for high speed purposes and building a 50 mile tunnel - 66% longer than the Chunnel - in permafrost conditions.

The technology's all there, just like the Chunnel's was over a century. Given unlimited time and unlimited money, this can all be done.

But it would be much, much cheaper to build a fleet for Concorde-style service that could reduce the flight to 5 hours.

TGV trains carry about 750 passengers maximum, for short runs (i.e. runs that do not have to carry food and water and toliet facilities for 750 people for two days).

A380s carry 850.

14 posted on 05/13/2014 10:33:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: HamiltonJay
The focus of this isn’t personal travel, as it is freight, and freight via air is quick but relatively inefficient. Can only pack so much into a plane.

Air freight is only used for high value items for this reason: pharmaceuticals, small machined parts, electronics.

The point of something like this would be to compete with boat, which is still relatively slow.

For freight of ship size, time does not really matter that much, since there is continual ship traffic into the major ports.

Few projects that require large items like machinery, girders, etc. are conceived, planned, engineered and financed in less time than it takes a containership or a drybulker to go from Beijing to LA (15 - 20 days).

Also, TGV cars are generally 10 feet wide and 75ish feet long, even a train 200 cars long would be dwarfed by a drybulker - by the time the last train arrived to carry the full amount a drybulker would, the drybulker will have already arrived at port.

just add another car.

TGV trains have engine to passenger car ratios of 1:4, and those passenger cars are extremely light compared to a freight car.

You can't have a TGV train with much more than 20 cars that can maintain top TGV speeds.

Freight trains in the US move a lot more weight using a lot less fuel, but they move more slowly.

15 posted on 05/13/2014 10:49:30 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: 2001convSVT
With a railroad in place the take over would be easier.

A railroad running through a tunnel is about as easy to block as anything I can imagine.

16 posted on 05/13/2014 11:24:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wideawake

Who’s talking TGV? I was talking maglev in a vacuumed environment, absolutely no limit to length relative to speed. As to car width given they would be building system from scratch can make the cars to whatever dimensions are desired.

This is not something that is based on 40 year old tgv, at least not how I see it.


17 posted on 05/13/2014 12:03:00 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Sherman Logan; 2001convSVT
A railroad running through a tunnel is about as easy to block as anything I can imagine.

1 JDAM, 2 seconds.

18 posted on 05/13/2014 12:29:44 PM PDT by wideawake
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19 posted on 05/13/2014 12:30:43 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wideawake

When the Chunnel was proposed, some actually opposed it on the idea that it could be used as an avenue for invasion from the Continent. LOL


20 posted on 05/13/2014 12:39:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: HamiltonJay
Vacuumed maglev is sometime in the future.

Nonvacuumed maglev would cost, at the absolute lowest price $20mm per km just for rail - or $225B, not including the price of terraforming, building a tunnel, an accompanying grid, or any of the rolling stock.

If it cost as much as the proposed Japanese projects, instead of the pie-in-the-sky low number that Chinese engineers are predicted, it would cost $3T.

21 posted on 05/13/2014 12:45:16 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Reaganite Republican

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22 posted on 05/13/2014 12:46:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wideawake
Yes, you are spot on. But if the line is in place for several years prior to hostilities, a lot of supplies, local knowledge and people could already be in place. Chinese tend to think in longer cycles then westerners.
23 posted on 05/13/2014 1:30:10 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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Thanks Reaganite Republican, but it’s ludicrous, and not just due to the massive costs that would never be recouped, even if it were all done with Chinese labor.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+buildings+tipped+over&tbm=isch

I just now tried to find a copy of that old (late 1960s? early 1970s?) documentary “It Couldn’t Be Done”; there was a segment in that regarding a proposal (by a Chinese guy) to bridge the strait. Also has segments about the Crazy Horse monument (still unfinished) and a few other things.


24 posted on 05/14/2014 4:44:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Montage of scenes previewing show “It couldn’t be done.” Band 5th Dimension aboard a boat singing song If I had a Hammer.
Location: United States
Date: 1970
Duration: 2 min 8 sec
Sound: Yes
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675023493_It-couldnt-be-done_Television-program_Lee-Marvin_5th-Dimension_Hoover-Dam

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0204417/companycredits?ref_=ttrel_sa_4


25 posted on 07/04/2014 2:47:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wideawake

Comment on 15

To maritime transit times we need to add the number of days the ships lie anchored off-shore waiting their turn to be unloaded at the port facilities. There is often an oceanic parking lot off of Houston and Galveston for example.

This rail proposal is cool but ain’t very likely to happen.


26 posted on 08/13/2014 8:21:57 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile

I should not reply to old threads, dang it.


27 posted on 08/13/2014 8:35:52 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile
Why not reply to old threads?

There are queues to port, but there is also significant unloading time for trains as well.

It takes time for multiple trains to move their containers from railcar to truck, just as it takes time for vessels to move their containers from shipboard to truck.

28 posted on 08/14/2014 5:56:56 AM PDT by wideawake
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