Posted on 06/14/2014 1:35:36 AM PDT by nikos1121
that’s just one location. years forgotten.
the phrase “sacrificed and forgotten” keeps going thru my head.
then I read the other daily headlines... taking in the landscape... and I have a really hard time seeing a difference between what’s going on and an enemy in control of our govt
why should anyone trust the US?
just run by a bunch of thieves
just run by a bunch of thieves
One could say the same about Iraq and question why we should come to their aid. Again.
And I wonder if any of those soldiers were among those that shot our troops in the back during training? Or provided information that got our troops killed. Sorry but there is no “good side” in Iraq. Both are muslims and both would kill us in a heart beat.
Time to stay out of conflicts where we have no intention of actually winning.........
yes. check my link above.
it makes my blood boil
Bush finally got the idea of how to deal with Islamic societies when he flipped Quadaffi (sp.?)and left him in power but on a leash. The goal in dealing with Islamic countries must be to establish and support rulers who will make sure their subhuman co-religionists don’t attack us or our allies. Once we have put such a thug in power, we should leave him alone to deal with his subjects as he deems appropriate. Eisenhower did this in Iran many years ago and it worked beautifully until Carter destroyed the whole thing by enabling the Islamists to take power.
How will we feel when the video of our embassy staff, lined up on their knees waiting for their turn is released?
I am shunning them but it is my whole family
It’s pretty lonely
but I can’t be around them, they make my skin crawl
Ultimately, the American people want no part of another military endeavor in Iraq. The libs jacked this up, like Vietnam. Disgraceful.
The aid to Iraq should not be boots on the ground, although we should use our intelligence, drones, and other resources to bring about the destruction of ISIS. Obozo should have already done that since he knew this was already a disaster in the making a month ago or more, and lives would have been saved.... plus it would have made ISIL/ISIS less effective.
The real issue here is that there is a need for a split in the country, a Sunni province and Shiite separate territory....because this murderous civil destruction will continue due to their religious differences and hatreds. We can’t fix their religious differences in Islam ideology because we are infidels in both sides minds.
Obama lost any opportunity to keep the gains the Bush Administration had made when he did not work with Milieki, and has let this escalation wipe out the possibility of any peace between the two groups living together now.
So there is no choice but to let them fight it out, however our people and others are caught in the crossfires. We do need to consider that when discussing drone strikes.
The ISIS is armed. Are the civilians armed? Did we take their weapons? When you live under a ruler like Hussein for a generation who is left alive that is a strong leader? Living in a society where the people in the next neighborhood will turn you in, who do you trust?
Did the COIN strategy include a long term presence to guarantee success of this nation? Did the COIN strategy actually contribute to this situation by not allowing our military to strike down those who were against us? Just wondering.
I think in this case it is more like:
How can anyone trust Maliki or his government or the Iraqi army again???
They have and have had more than enough firepower to turn these road jockeys into mincemeat and yet surrendered and retreated in droves.
And when have we ever won a war through airpower alone?
Obama lost any opportunity to keep the gains the Bush Administration had made when he did not work with Milieki, and has let this escalation wipe out the possibility of any peace between the two groups living together now.
Work on him in what? it was al Maliki to made his government a Shia only proposition and alienated the Sunni part of the country, and nothing Obama or any other U.S. president could have prevented that. It was al Maliki who refused to sign the agreement with Bush that would have left troops there. He made this mess all on his own, and now he wants us to pull his corrupt chestnuts out of the fire? No thanks.
This is NOT a winnable war, period. That is not an option.
If you know the Bible prophecies you would understand that. All we need to do is get our people out and help the Iraqi government re gain some momentum....we use drones for other purposes. NO, we shouldn’t go back into war.
However we have people in the Embassy there and they can’t get out due to the violence. We have a responsibility not to allow our citizens to become hostages.
What Malieki did or did not do is no longer viable, there needs to be stabilization but it’s not our WAR to fight, that I agree with. WE should not have armed the Muslim Brotherhood either.
Then get them out. Baghdad hasn't been taken yet.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/war-over-iraq-brzezinski-and-mccain-battle-morning-joe
WE HAD THE GODDAMN THING WON
I have made a similar reference frequently...they make the skin want to crawl right off my bones.
You can’t have a democracy over night. Didn’t happen in Japan, didn’t happen in Korea, not in Germany.
We could have left enough troops in the country to stabilize things. Okay we didn’t, shades of Jimmy Carter.
So, instead of asking for Malaki to step down, let’s drop some ordinances on these bastards, and then talk later.
Mosul is gone. Fahlujah next... then Baghdad.
I’m sorry to say this, but maybe we need our own martyrs for we as a people to wake up and exterminate these people once and for all.
The fact remains is that Iraq is a tribal faction culture steeped in a political movement that is wrapped inside a religious cult of death known as islam. No amount of money, military training or nation building is going to change that. Education of their children to accept western values might, given enough time. Conversion of the tribes to Christianity would eventually. Neither is in the realm of realistic probability.
Enter Obama, already on presidential campaign record to walk away from Iraq and spend his capital on winning the war in Afghanistan (another lie of many). He left the SOFA job with Iraq undone. He could have pressed the Iraqi government to allow US forces to remain in some capacity, unfettered by Iraqi law. We could have left forces there to at least bolster the new Iraqi army as they stood up. Case in point- we are still, to this day, in South Korea. We still, after 70 years, still have some forces stationed in Europe. These kinds of efforts takes time, even under the best of circumstances.
Obama made a conscious decision to capitulate in Iraq. He is making the same decision in Afghanistan. He made himself clear as to his motives before he ever stepped into office and he is fulfilling his father's dreams by bringing America to its knees before the other nations of the world.
So, Obama is effectively handing Iraq to Iran to absorb and to use as another platform of islamic terror networks to be used against the west for years to come. The Israelis ought to be highly alarmed. Jordan is probably toast. Hassad's Syria is now waiting to be plucked. Turkey, as the sole islamic state under a fragile form of secular government is threatened.
Obama is Iran's best friend, an outright traitor to America and its allies...and HE DOESN'T CARE.
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