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Conservatives say the U.S. has done enough to create equality for blacks. Young liberals agree.
The Washington Post's Wonk Blog ^ | July 1, 2014 | Emily Badger

Posted on 07/01/2014 1:19:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One last dip into a big Pew survey we've been discussing about on the politics and policy views of Americans. Pew surveyed more than 10,000 adults earlier this year on topics ranging from their views of Hillary Rodham Clinton to taking the bus, and the report divides their responses along a set of political typologies that group respondents into generally coherent categories across the range of policy issues: i.e., the "business conservative," the "solid liberal," the young "next generation left."

Across that spectrum, there is not surprisingly wide disagreement on racial progress in America and the steps government still must take to achieve it. Most of the results on this chart are fairly predictable: Conservatives broadly believe that the government much done all it needs to to ensure equal rights for blacks. Liberals, with one striking exception, overwhelmingly disagree:

The views of young, affluent liberals stand out. In fact, they align more closely with conservatives than other liberal groups. So what's going on here? Are younger liberals so far removed from the Civil Rights era that they've become disconnected from the memory of overt discrimination it sought to end? Perhaps this cohort, which strongly supports gay marriage, believes that the front in the fight for equality has moved on to new beneficiaries?(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: blacks; equality; polls; reparations
Don't ask questions you don't really want an answer to.
1 posted on 07/01/2014 1:19:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s impossible to create equality. People don’t have equal abilities. Some are smarter and more talented than others.


2 posted on 07/01/2014 1:22:59 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a duh if ever there was one. All discrimination is illegal, billions if not trillions in preferences and benefits, people fear nothing more than being called “racist”, President and Attorney General are black, many thousands died in our bloodiest war to end slavery, the list goes on.


3 posted on 07/01/2014 1:23:13 PM PDT by Williams
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What is a “hard-pressed skeptic” or a “faith and family leftist”? Surveys tend to skew the way they are worded.


4 posted on 07/01/2014 1:24:44 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde

My thoughts exactly.

As they say... Figures Lie and Liars Figure.


5 posted on 07/01/2014 1:28:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: All

I don’t agree with the young liberals at all. we can do more. as the final leg on their liberal journey, they should now give up their job to the first dreamer they see.


6 posted on 07/01/2014 1:29:35 PM PDT by willywill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have been in military contracting for thirty plus years. I’ve known just two highly compensated black employees I’d actually hire to work for me. The others apparently felt it was enough that they were black. The others would suck a charge number dry and turn in either substandard work or no work. I proved that one guy on my government project was in the building about 30 hours a week, but he billed my project for 40 plus overtime. When I confronted him he told me he had family obligations. I told him his wife didn’t work and she could take the kids to the doctor. Everybody has family obligations and we somehow actually worked the hours we billed. He called me racist. I almost choked. I went to HR with my data and complained. I was told there was nothing they could do about it. I managed to get him off my project but then he was sucking off some other project. So, yes, we’ve overcompensated on blacks.

BTW, the reason there must be “highly compensated blacks” is the EOE comes in and audits. This particular guy was always the company’s “diversity” rep, as that was an overhead function. He asked me once if I wanted to be on the diversity council. He looked at my face and then he backed away choking with laughter. “Never mind.”


7 posted on 07/01/2014 1:31:38 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not Surprising since it is the last couple of generations being told that grades just aren't good enough, you also have to be the 'right' color.

Businesses are telling them they are qualified, BUT they do enhance corporate diversity.

That they are the beneficiaries of White Privilege regardless of how hard they study or work.

8 posted on 07/01/2014 1:32:50 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The race card has been worn out.

People directly affected by slavery have been dead for 75 years.

People who were graduating high school when the Civil Rights act was passed are now in their 70s

America has spent over a Trillion dollars and 50 years of affirmative action in a good faith effort to better the lives of Black Americans.

Not one young person in their 20s has any responsibility for the past so why should they have to participate and be punished by the perpetual grievance culture of the Black community.

Enough is enough.


9 posted on 07/01/2014 1:33:36 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uh oh! They’s slippin’ off the plantation, massuhs! Wat we goan do???


10 posted on 07/01/2014 1:41:34 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The last vestige of racism is Black Privilege.


11 posted on 07/01/2014 1:44:21 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Equality, no. Equal rights, yes.

But Democfrats don’t want that. They want a permanent, dependent, expanding underclass, and one that is heavily minority. They view black people as porperty.

The sooner millennials and blacks understand this about Democrat.s, the sooner we’ll save the country


12 posted on 07/01/2014 1:47:53 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Plenty has been done to create jobs for blacks. The problem is that they’re being replaced in the workforce by hispanics, and this current influx will make that even worse.


13 posted on 07/01/2014 1:49:55 PM PDT by grania
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To: Albion Wilde

Forget Democrats and Republicans, Americans Actually Have 8 Distinct Political Ideologies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3174378/posts


14 posted on 07/01/2014 1:52:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: grania

And there’s yet another cycle.

I was down in SW Missouri visiting relatives and the Mexicans who worked the chicken processing plants have gone on welfare replaced by black Somalis.


15 posted on 07/01/2014 1:53:29 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are younger liberals so far removed from the Civil Rights era that they've become disconnected from the memory of overt discrimination it sought to end?

Yes. That's a good thing. It's time for the professional black race baiters to cease their foul effort to perpetuate the cycle of past racism for a new generation.

16 posted on 07/01/2014 1:55:24 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: grania

Black males have never gotten into the workforce, for a variety of reasons. Black women do much better, and blacks not educated in the US (such as Jamaicans) do better overall.

Foreign-educated immigrant Hispanics can at least read Spanish and learn basic English and can do basic math, and they show up for work. Meanwhile, blacks and an increasing number of rural and small town whites are virtually illiterate and can’t even add and subtract, and are usually on welfare and spend much of their time staying stoned or using the substance of their choice. Somehow, there’s always money for that.

Most posters here have ignored the fact that the even the Army can’t find enough native-born Americans to pass its basic skills test.

The whole problem is the lousy American educational system, which was dumbed down on the theory that this would help blacks and then further dumbed down to accommodate the neuroses of middle class whites who were afraid that their Precious Pearl might actually have to compete and be found wanting. And, of course, dumbed down mainly by the teachers’ unions, which make their main job that of protecting teachers who can’t teach and schools where nobody can pass the Army skills test.

That’s what the problem is, not the raw materials.

Black Catholics, most of whom have gone through Catholic school, on the average earn more than white Catholics. They’re a self-selected group, so they tend to be smarter; but the problem is that most blacks and lower income whites go to public schools, which teach them absolutely nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada. This problem is entirely because of the teachers’ unions.


17 posted on 07/01/2014 2:15:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: nascarnation
re: Mexicans replaced by black Somalis

It is a race to the bottom to find cheap labor. Somalis or just about anyone from a part of Africa with a Muslim or radicalized population is a real bad idea. Our leaders have got to know that the threat of ISIS-style violence coming into the US is very real.

18 posted on 07/01/2014 2:17:18 PM PDT by grania
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To: livius
What you write is too absolute. Although a lot of what you write has merit, such as the lack of work ethic spreading into the white population, there are blacks, boys and girls, who make all the right moves and do well.

What's needed to bring the work ethic back is to connect work with learning, starting at age 14 or so. Go back to shop classes and community projects. After that, connect government help with work. Everyone should have the opportunity for one healthy but basic meal a day, a shower, and a cot to sleep on. That's it. Everything else should be in exchange for doing something.

When I was in those schools, I could see the bad effect handouts had. Organizations would give the kids, for free, amazing things...book fairs with books to keep, high quality book bags filled with healthy food, clothing, amazing field trip opportunies. The kids didn't earn any of it. How are they ever going to see the connection between getting something and deserving it?

Another thing that makes my blood boil is all of those wonderful charitable enlightened elitists with their holiday meals. They provide the food, they cook the food, they take care of cleaning up, then they go back to their suburbs. How about providing the food, having the guests from the inner city cook and clean up, and sit down and eat with them? That would be enabling instead of patronizing.

Grrrr......the whole thing makes my blood boil.

19 posted on 07/01/2014 2:30:46 PM PDT by grania
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To: Responsibility2nd
As they say... Figures Lie and Liars Figure.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."

20 posted on 07/01/2014 2:46:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Albion Wilde
“faith and family leftist”

It gets defined in the Pew report as somebody who is socially conservative, but believes in government and social welfare programs.

21 posted on 07/01/2014 3:11:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: grania
It is a race to the bottom to find cheap labor.

If we didn't have the illegal immigrants, we would have been further along with really cheap labor: robots. Lack of cheap human labor creates demand for automation.

22 posted on 07/01/2014 3:14:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Lack of cheap human labor creates demand for automaton

I'd much rather have that than have the US be overrun by invaders who have no regard for our laws or culture.

Besides that, I suspect something unintended might happen. People will develop a desire for simpler hand-made things to fill the void left by computers dehumanizaing everything. It'll create demand for craftsmen, home project skills, restaurants that are more personalized. I think you're already seeing that in some environments. Add to that wages for the population increasing when there is no unnecessary competition from invaders, and the technology won't be anywhere near the threat that the invasion is.

If it upsets Chamber of Commerce types and other cheap labor elitists, that's just icing on the cake.

23 posted on 07/01/2014 3:25:29 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania

When I was a kid making my own bed everyday, well straightening the covers at least, was an expected thing from the time I was about five. Putting my dirty clothes in the laundry hampers started much earlier than that. Just keeping my room clean, doing dishes, getting the clothes off the line and helping take the garbage out were chores that I grew into. That was the basis for my weekly allowance, half of which went straight into the piggy bank. At a real young age I learned about work and money.


24 posted on 07/01/2014 3:55:34 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Libs probably saw this trend years ago, and that’s why it’s all gay all the time.

Problem is that gays are only 1% of the population, so when the newness wears off, where are the votes going to come from?

Bring in Blowhard-Pinhead overwhelming the system with sudden waves of immigration?


25 posted on 07/01/2014 4:12:21 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: PapaBear3625
It gets defined in the Pew report as somebody who is socially conservative, but believes in government and social welfare programs.

Got it; thanks. I wrote several snarks but I erased them.

26 posted on 07/01/2014 5:07:37 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Forget Democrats and Republicans, Americans Actually Have 8 Distinct Political Ideologies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3174378/posts

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

27 posted on 07/01/2014 5:23:25 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: nascarnation
I was down in SW Missouri visiting relatives and the Mexicans Catholics who worked the chicken processing plants have gone on welfare replaced by black Somalis muslims.

There. Fixed it.

28 posted on 07/01/2014 5:26:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: PapaBear3625
If we didn't have the illegal immigrants, we would have been further along with really cheap labor: robots. Lack of cheap human labor creates demand for automation.

You are so right. Japan and some South American countries are beating the pants off us in automotive assembly and other tech's because they are not forbidden by unions to use advanced robotics.

29 posted on 07/01/2014 5:35:57 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: grania

I agree. I used to live in Gainesville, the main campus of the University of Florida. This school is a very fine school and was virtually free to any Florida resident who had good grades in high school or, barring great grades, the usual combination of tolerable grades and athletic ability. In other words, it wasn’t limited to white elites or elites of any colors, but the local black population carried on as if it was an anti-black plot.

Of course, as penance for working hard and doing well, all the fraternities used to go out and clean up Gainesville’s black neighborhoods as a community service project. Mind you, these neighborhoods got the same trash services as anybody else in Gainesville, and in fact even had a few special pick up days the rest of us didn’t get. But the black neighborhoods were a mess of trash thrown all over the place, nothing was ever picked up, and therefore the fraternities used to go and “help” them clean up a couple of times a year.

The fraternities would bring candy for the kids to try to encourage them, but nobody ever came out to help. I drove by one time and saw that the residents had actually brought lawn chairs out onto the sidewalks to sit there and chat and drink soda and watch the fraternities hauling the garbage out of the vacant lots and gutters of the neighborhood.

Very discouraging. I don’t know what can be done about a mindset like that.


30 posted on 07/01/2014 5:51:42 PM PDT by livius
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