Abraham Lincoln was born on February 12, 1809

VA Viper ^ | 02/11/2018 | Harpygoddess

[harpygoddess]

It has long been a grave question whether any government, not too strong for the liberties of the people, can be strong enough to maintain its existence in great emergencies.

~ Lincoln

February 12 is the anniversary of the birth of the 16th - and arguably the greatest - president of these United States, Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865). Born in Kentucky and raised in Illinois, Lincoln was largely self-educated and became a country lawyer in 1836, having been elected to the state legislature two years earlier. He had one term in the U.S. Congress (1847-1849) but failed (against Stephen A. Douglas) to gain election to the Senate in 1856. Nominated by the Republican party for the presidency in 1860, he prevailed against the divided Democrats, triggering the secession of the southern states and the beginning of the Civil War. As the course of the war turned more favorably for the preservation of the Union, Lincoln was elected to a second term in 1864, but was assassinated in April 1865, only a week after the final victory.

[editor-surveyor]

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And the deliberate twisting of the 14th is adding tens of millions of fraudulent voters.
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[Radix]

Actually, Washington was born on February 11th but ‘Government meddling’ via the adoption of the Gregorian Calendar decades after ‘Catholic Europe’ established it changed it to February 22 when Washington was 21 years old.

[BrandtMichaels]

THINK - Without the United States remaining united how could that have changed the outcomes for WW I & II? Much more for the worst of outcomes I fear even though Reagan and Trump may only be delaying the inevitable...

[DoodleDawg]

And you’re willfully ignorant, very low grade, but very ignorant.

Winston Churchill once said, "The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." Never is that more obvious than when dealing with diehard Confederacy supporters.

[Salamander]

I wish I had photos of old RT 40 to Cumberland.

Used to be the only way to get there, before I68 went in.

Not only were there potholes deep enough to break the front end off your bike, there were saplings growing on the center line.

In an odd, post-apocalyptic way, it was really cool to drive that road.

They’ve since “fixed” it, more or less, at least to the point where you don’t have to dodge shrubbery.

[Bulwyf]

Using a quote from a guy who didn’t believe in the constitution is probably not the best way to make a point.

Even still, the votes they got after aren’t enough to affect that large change. That happened later.

[Bull Snipe]

still the United States. The United States that help defeat the Kaiser in WWI. The United States that helped extinguish the Nazi Regime and the Japanese Empire. The same United States that sent a man to the moon. That United States

[Salamander]

16th Amendment

[DoodleDawg]

Except when she gets so outrageous in her propaganda she must be severely corrected.

And consider me "severely corrected". At least what passes for it in the land of Confederacy supporters.

[BroJoeK]

editor-surveyor: "There was zero “Threat,”

1. the industrial revolution was in the process of demolishing the slave-based economy, and
2. could have accomplished the conversion without mass bloodshed."

First of all, on economics: the Panic of 1857 showed that the Northern economy was much more vulnerable to economic crisis than was the South's.
Second, by 1860 Deep-South whites were, on average, far more prosperous than their Northern cousins.
Third, in 1860 the South supplied 75% of the world's export cotton, in huge volumes that increased every year at prices which were also increasing, about 10% per year!

Now militarily: look at the map in post #52 above.
Confederates claimed & fought for several Union states & territories.
In what conceivable way was that not a threat?

As for "mass bloodshed", that was the Confederates' choice and they refused to stop fighting on any terms better than "Unconditional Surrender".

[rockrr]

Using a quote from a guy who didn’t believe in the constitution is probably not the best way to make a point.

That's just stupid, regardless of your opinion of Lincoln.

[BroJoeK]

editor-surveyor: "And the deliberate twisting of the 14th is adding tens of millions of fraudulent voters."

By Democrats!
Democrats always use or twist the laws to benefit themselves, it's their nature, it's how they make their livings.

[central_va]

IF Germany had won the Great War, or not been subject to sanctions, then there would not have been a WWII. The US involvement kind of caused WWII in a way.

[Salamander]

A voluntary union, no more.

[BroJoeK]

Bulwyf: "Using a quote from a guy who didn’t believe in the constitution is probably not the best way to make a point."

Lincoln did more to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution than anyone of his time, or, arguably, since.

"Even still, the votes they got after aren’t enough to affect that large change. That happened later."

Lincoln did support the 13th Amendment and there's no reason to suggest he would not also have supported the 14th & 15th, had he lived.

[Bulwyf]

Call it what you will, but anyone willing to kill hundreds on thousands of Americans to consolidate power in DC is no friend of the constitution or freedom.

[central_va]

The would have still been a United States even if the South had gained its Independence.

[Bull Snipe]

It lost.

[Bulwyf]

For some reason Monty Python comes to mind heh.

That sounds surreal. Somethimg you’d expect to see on an old mountain logging road no longer in use.

[BroJoeK]

Salamander: "16th Amendment"

The 16th Amendment passed nearly 50 years after Lincoln's death!
Not Lincoln's fault.
You might as well blame President Madison, since he also supported an income tax proposal during the War of 1812.