1547: Not Thomas Howard, because Henry VIII died first

ExecutedToday.com ^ | January 29, 2008 | Headsman

[CheshireTheCat]

On this date in 1547, the Duke of Norfolk was to have been beheaded.

But thanks to the previous day’s death of the corpulent 55-year-old King Henry VIII, the duke’s death warrant was never signed, and the condemned noble died in bed … seven years later.

A force in the gore-soaked arena of English politics for two generations, Thomas Howard had steered two nieces into the monarch’s bed. Both girls had gone to the scaffold,* and the disgrace of the second, Catherine Howard, brought a collapse in the whole family’s fortunes. Thomas Howard’s son Henry was not as lucky as the father: Henry was beheaded just a few days before the king succumbed, on the same charge of treason that almost claimed Thomas this day....

[crz]

Being in the nobility back during the Plantagenet era was a hazardous occupation.

And the Tudor period. And the Stuart..

[crz]

BTW..which one was executed by drowning him in a barrel of wine?

[kiryandil]

But the most creative, and possibly enjoyable, execution in its history is probably that of the Duke of Clarence on February 18, 1478, who was reportedly drowned in a barrel of red wine.

The Duke of Clarence, also known as George Plantagenet, was the brother of two kings - Edward IV and Richard III.

[kiryandil]

Malmsey

[KC Burke]

I heard of a distant cousin that drowned in a Scotch distillery accident. It took him two hours to drown because he got out three times to pee.

[SunkenCiv]

LOLOL!

[mware]

Yep, read it in Twains, The Prince and the Pauper. Wonder if there was a twin called Tom Cante growing up in Pudding Lane.

[SunkenCiv]

[snip] Thomas More’s head was stuck on Traitor’s Gate for a month. Then his daughter, Margaret, removed it and kept it ‘til her death.

[Thomas] Cromwell was beheaded for high treason five years after More.

The Archbishop was burned at the stake.

The Duke of Norfolk should have been executed for high treason, but the King died of syphilis the night before.

Richard Rich became Chancellor of England, and died in his bed. [/snip]

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additionally:

[snip] Since the mid-16th century Rich has had a reputation for immorality, financial dishonesty, double-dealing, perjury and treachery rarely matched in English history.[4] The historian Hugh Trevor-Roper called Rich a man “of whom nobody has ever spoken a good word”. [/snip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rich,_1st_Baron_Rich#Legacy

[AppyPappy]

We are “headed” back to those days.

[SunkenCiv]

[snip] In December 1546 Norfolk was accused of being an accessory to the alleged treasonable activities of his son, Henry Howard, earl of Surrey. Surrey was executed and Norfolk condemned, but before the sentence could be carried out Henry VIII died (January 1547). Norfolk remained in prison during the reign of the Protestant king Edward VI (reigned 1547–53); in August 1553, following the accession of Queen Mary (reigned 1553–58), a Roman Catholic, he was released and restored to his dukedom. He died in 1554 after failing to suppress the uprising, led by Sir Thomas Wyatt, protesting the marriage of Mary I to King Philip of Spain. [/snip]

• Thomas Howard, 3rd duke of Norfolk [1473-1554] [Brittanica online]

[yelostar]

Famous Kin of Thomas Howard

Famous Kin of King Henry VIII

[mware]

At least it was a swift death for More. Only one chop. The executioner for Thomas Cromwell was drunk and after the 3rd or 4th chop a Yeomen finished him off.

[mware]

Interesting take on Cromwell in Wolf’s Hall. Well made and not as graphic in sex and violence as The Tudors.

[Paal Gulli]

One of the reasons Henry was willing to shed so much noble blood was he hated the Stewarts, and if he couldn't perpetuate the Tudor dynasty, the throne would default to the bloodline of his sister, Margret Tudor Stewart, wife to James IV, King of Scots. When Elizabeth, the Virgin Queen, died "without issue," what Henry so feared came to pass and his sister's Stuart great-grandson, James VI, King of Scots, was crowned King James I of England and Ireland.

* The Stewart name is believed derived from a knight in the court of King David I of Scotland, who for his dilligent service was awarded the title, "High Steward (Stiùbhart) of Scotland." The position (and title) became hereditary and two generations on the family changed its surname to "Stewart."

Mary Stuart, crowned Queen of Scots when only six days old, was spirited away to live in the court of Henry II, King of France, when just aged five by a regent who feared that Henry VIII would have her killed to keep her blood from also taking the English throne.

She lived in France until aged 18, during which time she tired of the French tongue tripping over the 'W' in her surname, so she changed the spelling to "Stuart," which resolved the Frogs' problem properly pronouncing her royal name. Which is why Scotland's first queen (and all subsequent Scottish monarchs) styled themselves as Stuart rather than the original Stewart.

[SunkenCiv]

I’m sure there were plenty of bereaved family members of Tommy’s victims sending more drinks over to his table before he went to work. :^)

His descendants (through his sole surviving child) wound up prospering. His son Gregory married the sister of Jane Seymour, making his grandson Henry 1st cousin to Edward VI, and one of the 1st cousins whom Edward VI didn’t have executed. :^o

Interestingly, I’d read that the 17th c regicide Oliver Cromwell was related to Thomas, but what I’ve seen today makes me doubt this, Oliver’s ancestry leads back to the Tudors.

[kearnyirish2]

Priceless - thank you for sharing!

[KC Burke]

What a series. Hilary Mantel is crazy weird personally but she is a hell of a writer. Wolf Hall, the first in the series, stands alone as an amazing example of violating every rule of writing and still being brilliant. She changes voice, viewpoint, context, time and a dozen other rules helter-skelter and it still gets into your head in a way beyond description. Then the British video with its acting is wonderfully done as well.

[mware]

My grand niece stopped in the visit while I was watching an episode of Wolf Hall she saw Mark Rylance and said “ He looks an awful like the BFG.”

[KC Burke]

He is an incredible actor but a lefty.