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Hiroshima, Nagasaki Bombings Were Needless, Said World War II's Top US Military Leaders
Stark Realities ^ | 08/06/2023 | Brian McGlinchey

Posted on 08/06/2023 7:01:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The anniversaries of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki present an opportunity to demolish a cornerstone myth of American history — that those twin acts of mass civilian slaughter were necessary to bring about Japan’s surrender, and spare a half-million US soldiers who’d have otherwise died in a military conquest of the empire’s home islands.

Those who attack this mythology are often reflexively dismissed as unpatriotic, ill-informed or both. However, the most compelling witnesses against the conventional wisdom were patriots with a unique grasp on the state of affairs in August 1945 — America’s senior military leaders of World War II.

Let’s first hear what they had to say, and then examine key facts that led them to their little-publicized convictions:


Full of midget submarines, a drydock in the port city of Kure, Japan lies in ruins

Putting out feelers through third-party diplomatic channels, the Japanese were seeking to end the war weeks before the atomic bombings on August 6 and 9, 1945. Japan’s navy and air forces were decimated, and its homeland subjected to a sea blockade and allied bombing carried out against little resistance.

The Americans knew of Japan’s intent to surrender, having intercepted a July 12 cable from Japanese Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo, informing Japanese ambassador to Russia Naotake Sato that “we are now secretly giving consideration to the termination of the war because of the pressing situation which confronts Japan both at home and abroad.”

Togo told Sato to “sound [Russian diplomat Vyacheslav Molotov] out on the extent to which it is possible to make use of Russia in ending the war.” Togo initially told Sato to obscure Japan’s interest in using Russia to end the war, but just hours later, he withdrew that instruction, saying it would be “suitable to make clear to the Russians our general attitude on ending the war”— to include Japan’s having “absolutely no idea of annexing or holding the territories which she occupied during the war.”
An excerpt from a July 12, 1945 US War Department
summary of an intercepted cable from Japanese Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo to his ambassador to Russia

Japan’s central concern was the retention of its emperor, Hirohito, who was considered a demigod. Even knowing this — and with many US officials feeling the retention of the emperor could help Japanese society through its postwar transition —the Truman administration continued issuing demands for unconditional surrender, offering no assurance that the emperor would be spared humiliation or worse.

In a July 2 memorandum, Secretary of War Henry Stimson drafted a terms-of-surrender proclamation to be issued at the conclusion of that month’s Potsdam Conference. He advised Truman that, “if…we should add that we do not exclude a constitutional monarchy under her present dynasty, it would substantially add to the chances of acceptance.”

Truman and Secretary of State James Byrnes, however, continued rejecting recommendations to give assurances about the emperor. The final Potsdam Declaration, issued July 26, omitted Stimson’s recommended language, sternly declaring, “Following are our terms. We will not deviate from them.”

One of those terms could reasonably be interpreted as jeopardizing the emperor: “There must be eliminated for all time the authority and influence of those who have deceived and misled the people of Japan into embarking on world conquest.”
Japanese emperor Hirohito reigned from 1926 to 1989

At the same time the United States was preparing to deploy its formidable new weapons, the Soviet Union was moving armies from the European front to northeast Asia.

In May, Stalin told the US ambassador that Soviet forces should be positioned to attack the Japanese in Manchuria by August 8. In July, Truman predicted the impact of the Soviets opening a new front. In a diary entry made during the Potsdam Conference, he wrote that Stalin assured him “he’ll be in the Jap War on August 15th. Fini Japs when that comes about.”

Right on Stalin’s original schedule, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan two days after the August 6 bombing of Hiroshima. That same day — August 8 — Emperor Hirohito told the country’s civilian leaders that he still wanted to pursue a negotiated surrender that would preserve his reign.

On August 9, Soviet attacks commenced on three fronts. News of Stalin’s invasion of Manchuria prompted Hirohito to call a new meeting to discuss surrender — at 10 am, one hour before the strike on Nagasaki. The final surrender decision came on August 10.
Three-year old Shinichi Tetsutani, burned as he was riding this tricycle when the atomic bomb hit Hiroshima, died a painful death that night (Hiroki Kobayashi/
National Geographic)

The Soviet timeline makes the atomic bombings all the more troubling: One would think a US government that’s appropriately hesitant to incinerate and irradiate hundreds of thousands of civilians would want to first see how a Soviet declaration of war affected Japan’s calculus.

As it turns out, the Japanese surrender indeed appears to have been prompted by the Soviet entry into the war on Japan — not by the atomic bombs. “The Japanese leadership never had photo or video evidence of the atomic blast and considered the destruction of Hiroshima to be similar to the dozens of conventional strikes Japan had already suffered,” wrote Josiah Lippincott at The American Conservative.

Sadly, the evidence points to a US government determined to drop atomic bombs on Japanese cities as an end in itself, to such an extent that it not only ignored Japan’s interest in surrender, but worked to ensure that surrender was delayed until after upwards of 210,000 people — disproportionately women, children and elderly — were killed in the two cities.

Make no mistake: This was a deliberate targeting of civilian populations. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen because they were pristine, and could thus fully showcase the bombs’ power. Hiroshima was home to a small military headquarters, but the fact that both cities had gone untouched by a strategic bombing campaign that began 14 months earlier certifies their military and industrial insignificance.

“The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing,” Eisenhower would later say. “I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon.”

According to his pilot, General Douglas MacArthur, commander of US Army Forces Pacific, was “appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster.”

“When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb,” wrote journalist Norman Cousins, “I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted…He saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.”

What then, was the purpose of devastating Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs?

A key insight comes from Manhattan Project physicist Leo Szilard. In 1945, Szilard organized a petition, signed by 70 Manhattan Project scientists, urging Truman not to use atomic bombs against Japan without first giving the country a chance to surrender, on terms that were made public.

In May 1945, Szilard met with Secretary of State Byrnes to urge atomic restraint. Byrnes wasn’t receptive to the plea. Szilard — the scientist who’d drafted the pivotal 1939 letter from Albert Einstein urging FDR to develop an atomic bomb — recounted:

"[Byrnes] was concerned about Russia's postwar behavior. Russian troops had moved into Hungary and Rumania, and Byrnes thought it would be very difficult to persuade Russia to withdraw her troops from these countries, that Russia might be more manageable if impressed by American military might, and that a demonstration of the bomb might impress Russia."


Burned to impress Stalin: A victim of the US atomic bombing of Hiroshima (AP /The Association of the Photographers of the Atomic Bomb Destruction of Hiroshima, Yotsugi Kawahara)

Whether the atomic bomb’s audience was in Tokyo or Moscow, some in the military establishment championed alternative ways to demonstrate its power.

Lewis Strauss, Special Assistant to the Navy Secretary, said he proposed “that the weapon should be demonstrated over… a large forest of cryptomeria trees not far from Tokyo. The cryptomeria tree is the Japanese version of our redwood… [It] would lay the trees out in windrows from the center of the explosion in all directions as though they were matchsticks, and, of course, set them afire in the center. It seemed to me that a demonstration of this sort would prove to the Japanese that we could destroy any of their cities at will.”

Strauss said Navy Secretary Forrestal “agreed wholeheartedly,” but Truman ultimately decided an optimal demonstration required burning hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and laying waste to their cities. The buck stops there.
A victim of the atomic bomb

The particular means of inflicting these mass murders — a solitary object dropped from a plane at 31,000 feet — helps warp Americans’ evaluation of its morality. Using an analogy, historian Robert Raico cultivates ethical clarity:

“Suppose that, when we invaded Germany in early 1945, our leaders had believed that executing all the inhabitants of Aachen, or Trier, or some other Rhineland city would finally break the will of the Germans and lead them to surrender. In this way, the war might have ended quickly, saving the lives of many Allied soldiers. Would that then have justified shooting tens of thousands of German civilians, including women and children?”

The claim that dropping the atomic bombs saved a half-million American lives is more than just empty: Truman’s stubborn refusal to provide advance assurances about the retention of Japan’s emperor arguably cost American lives.

That’s true not only of a war against Japan that lasted longer than it needed to, but also of a Korean War precipitated by the US-invited Soviet invasion of Japanese-held territory in northeast Asia. More than 36,000 US service members died in the Korean War — among a staggering 2.5 million total military and civilian dead on both sides of the 38th Parallel.

We like to think of our system as one in which the supremacy of civilian leaders acts as a rational, moderating force on military decisions. The needless atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — against the wishes of World War II’s most revered military leaders — tells us otherwise.

Sadly, the destructive effects of the Hiroshima myth aren’t confined to Americans’ understanding of events in August 1945. “There are hints and notes of the Hiroshima myth that persist all through modern times,” State Department whistleblower and author Peter Van Buren said on The Scott Horton Show.

The Hiroshima myth fosters a depraved indifference to civilian casualties associated with US actions abroad, whether it’s women and children slaughtered in a drone strike in Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands dead in an unwarranted invasion of Iraq, or a baby who dies for lack of imported medicine in US-sanctioned Iran.

Ultimately, to embrace the Hiroshima myth is to embrace a truly sinister principle: That, in the correct circumstances, it’s right for governments to intentionally harm innocent civilians. Whether the harm is inflicted by bombs or sanctions, it’s a philosophy that mirrors the morality of al Qaeda.

That’s not the only thread connecting 1945 to 2023, as Truman’s insistence on unconditional surrender is echoed by the Biden administration’s utter disinterest in pursuing a negotiated peace in Ukraine.

Today, confronting an adversary with 6,000 nuclear warheads — each a thousand times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan — Biden’s own stubborn perpetuation of war puts us all at risk of sharing the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki’s innocents.


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To: vladimir998

Even if that quote is accurate, Ike was mistaken in his opinion that Japan was defeated before the bomb.

They weren’t.

The IJA had over one million men and the entire country was being developed for a defense in depth - trenches stretching from coast to coast peppered with heavily fortified pillboxes and bunkers, all manned with army troops and millions of hastily trained civilians.

And behind that defensive line was another one, then another, then another, then another.

The Japanese were prepared to sacrifice every man, woman and child in defense of their homeland.

Until Hirohito chose surrender — after the Nagasaki bomb, saving tens of millions of Japanese lives.


41 posted on 08/06/2023 7:38:33 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us )
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To: SeekAndFind

The atomic bombs certainly saved the lives of tens of thousands of Allied prisoners of war and civilian internees. One of them, Louis Zamperini, the Olympic athlete who was held in a Japanese prison camp after being shot down, wrote that he and his colleagues would not have survived another winter in Japan if the war had continued.


42 posted on 08/06/2023 7:40:29 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SeekAndFind

The people who write this tripe are 78 years removed from stepping off a Higgins boat under fire…


43 posted on 08/06/2023 7:40:36 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Skooz

How people felt at the time about a weapon that was inconceivable to the minds of people living in the 40’s was different than how those same people felt some years later.

President Eisenhower was born in the late 1800’s. It’s very possible these quotes - so close to the time the weapon was used - are correct. And meaningless...


44 posted on 08/06/2023 7:40:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (Crystal ball reading used to be confined to carnivals... now the bedrock of MSM news outlets.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My Dad went ashore in Luzon the same time as MacArthur, and was transferred to a Seabee unit. They were building repair depots, pontoon bridges, and dry docks as fast as possible - they all expected to be going to Japan within the next 9-12 months.


45 posted on 08/06/2023 7:41:30 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Skooz

I was a vey smart little girl then. Actually told my parents on Dec 7, 1941 that war had been declared. I was in the living room with the radio on while parents and friends finished Sunday dinner.

The next day, almost every man in America went down to the draft board to sign up.

We lost so very many sons, husbands and fathers in that war—I can’t stand this bullschtein. Please tell these idiots to STFU.


46 posted on 08/06/2023 7:42:23 PM PDT by Veto! (FJB Sucks Rocks)
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To: SeekAndFind
My Dad, a battle field radar expert, landed D+1 at Saipan and Iwo Jima (US Army Sergeant - not Marine Corps).

He was training to invade Japan when the first A-bomb was dropped.

He was completely thrilled about the atomic bomb!

My own impression is that US military and political leaders feared that Japan and/or Germany might have built several nuclear weapons and would use them against the USA mainland via submarine or other secret methods.

47 posted on 08/06/2023 7:43:14 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: SeekAndFind

Then why did it take two bombs for them to surrender?


48 posted on 08/06/2023 7:43:24 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (This is the dystopian future we've been waiting for!)
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To: G Larry
Meaning what? We should hate ourselves?

Yes. I visited the website from which this piece is extracted.

That website seems to be dedicated to the proposition that America sucks and is the locus of all evil in the world.

49 posted on 08/06/2023 7:43:59 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: dfwgator

There were some hot spots in Europe as well. Salerno, Monte Cassino and the Hürtgen Forest saw fighting that was about as fierce as that on Peleliu.


50 posted on 08/06/2023 7:44:02 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: faucetman

Some say “the Japanese knew they were defeated” - some of them did, but many did not.

There was a large faction that was prepared to fight to the death. Everyone ignores the fact this group attempted a coup in early August.

the Atomic Bomb actually gave the “peace faction” the upper hand over the “fight-to-the-death-faction.”


51 posted on 08/06/2023 7:45:07 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: vladimir998
Your source identifies itself as "A Project of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation".

Which proves nothing, but leads me to assign it low credibility.

YMMV.

52 posted on 08/06/2023 7:46:45 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: SeekAndFind; Skooz; Rummyfan; No Party Affiliation; dfwgator; meyer; sport; wjcsux; Chengdu54; ...
Everyone who sees this Leftist crap as revisionist history is correct in their estimation.

Bill Whittle did the best rebuttal on POS websites like "Stark Realities" and people like Brian McGlinchey, and the execrable and non-funny Jon Stewart (whose asinine commentary led Bill Whittle to make this rebuttal) both birds of a Leftist feather.

Bill Whittle made this 15 minute "FireWall" video which definitively rebuts these jackasses who pop up every single year on August 6th.

Everyone I know who has seen this regards it as the last word in defense of dropping the nuclear weapons on the Japanese.


LINK: Bill Whittle Jon Stewart, War Criminals & The True Story of the Atomic Bombs

There is nothing to be 'proud' of that we had to use those weapons on a vicious enemy, but in Bill Whittle's brilliantly done defense, there is a grim acceptance that it was war, and what needed to be done.

And it also rebuts the "Oh, they were going to surrender anyway" douchebags.

I am no longer a fan of Harry Truman, but he made absolutely the correct decision to use these weapons.

As for the quotes in the stupid revisionist opinion piece, I suggest people shouldn't get too hung up on them.

Regarding those quotes in the article from "Stark Realities" from the military leaders, it is known that many of them, after the fact, did not embrace using it because it wholly changed the character of war from a 1945 perspective (their perspective at the time). I have read good deal on many of these military men, and in the biographies, it is not hard to find statements where they distance themselves from the use of nuclear weapons. In light of this, I fully expect people cherry picking these kinds of quotes from nearly all of them.

Watch the video. It is well constructed, gives point-by-point rebuttals to all the Leftist clap-trap we have heard since 1945 regarding the use of these weapons, and is entertaining in his disembowelment of them to boot.

53 posted on 08/06/2023 7:46:46 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Skooz

Well, you’re wrong.


54 posted on 08/06/2023 7:47:37 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: SeekAndFind

“...The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all...”

The battle for Japan would have been house to house and it would have taken a terrible toll of American lives. They had been fed lies about Americans killing women and children, raping their women as a means of defeating the nation. They were ready to fight to the bitter end.

My cousin was a marine in one of the divisions waiting for the order to invade. He and the others had already met with the chaplain and written wills.

Hiroshima, I believe, was the center of the Japanese atomic bomb program.


55 posted on 08/06/2023 7:48:42 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: SeekAndFind

Unbelievable. Literally.


56 posted on 08/06/2023 7:49:01 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: dfwgator

Tomorrow was gone over a year by this time. He was forced to step aside from the prime minister office after the fall of Saipan in July 44.


57 posted on 08/06/2023 7:50:35 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Skooz

“Because it is.
These quotes are fake and the entire article is a lie.”

Can you substantiate those assertions?

A citation? Reference?


58 posted on 08/06/2023 7:54:16 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unconditional Surrender was the only acceptable way for that war to end & that was not likely to happen without Japan being totally defeated.


59 posted on 08/06/2023 7:54:18 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: SeekAndFind

The bombings could have been easily avoided... by a Japanese surrender.


60 posted on 08/06/2023 7:54:37 PM PDT by Spok
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