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AAAHHHHH! Latest 200 posts on illegal immigration
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Posted on 12/18/2003 6:37:55 AM PST by BeerSwillr

So the illegal aliens are here to help us huh? What a big lie! They're here to help themselves, and it's about time our government officials realized it and did something about it. Read this little gem! Youngster dreams of returning to Mexico to enjoy the fruits of his labor

I thought for a moment this had gone down somewhere along our southern border, but I should have known better.
Soldiers Foil Illegal Border Crossing, Kill Attackers

Here are the rest of the posts that made the border ping list during the last 5 weeks. It's sickening. There are approximately 200.


Groups sue over immigration data
36 U.S. Representatives call DHS Sec. Ridge on the carpet for his pro-amnesty comments
Rescue takes tragic turn(Border Patrol agent drowns rescuing illegal)
Organizers pleased with result of boycott, plan more
U.S. Considers Expanding FBI Database
Three years after Fox took office, Mexican migrants say return home safer, easier
New window to immigration reform
Michelle Malkin: Meanwhile, back on the homefront ...
Illegal Immigrants Used in Smuggling Sting
Officials Check License System For Vulnerabilities To Terrorism
Foreign-Born A Majority in Six U.S. Cities; Growth Fastest in South, Census Bureau Reports
Mexican shoppers stock up in Tucson - Booming Mexican economy good news for Southern AZ
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT NAMED AS NEW BRUNSWICK SERIAL-RAPE SUSPECT
CNN Poll: "Do you believe illegal aliens should have voting rights in the United States?"
A 'European Union' Model for the Americas or a New Homeland Called Aztlan?
Why The U.S. Needs An Official Language
Changing Our Country
Transcript: Tom McClintock Debates Gil Cedillo, author of illegal licenses bill
Bill seeks to help immigrant children go to college
Playing political games with illegal immigration: Buying votes affects us all
New Hope on Immigration (New York Times Editorial)
Students miss school as workers' families visit Mexico
The Supreme Court Will Take Mexican Trucking Case (Nafta,Ftaa,Wto)
U.S.-style capitalism impresses newcomers
Mexican immigrants sending $1 billion a month to families back home
Immigrant shows way for other newcomers
Matricula consular ID cards make sense
Phoenix: Is this what we want in our city (The effects of illegals)
Unchanging Mexico
Arabs still enter U.S. illegally from Mexico
Faking It Easy: Province (Ontario, Canada) issues birth certificates without proof of identification
Letter to Congressman Martin Frost, D-TX
INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE 2005 DIVERSITY IMMIGRANT VISA PROGRAM (DV-2005)
Tribe turns hostile toward migrants
Hundreds of Hispanics Protest in California
Hispanics take to California streets in protest, boycott
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1039263/posts
Hispanic boycott hits hard at school
City Hall Is Said to Support Translations in All Tongues
Limit Social Security to U.S.
RIDGE IS WRONG
White House verifies immigration review
Leftists Attack Borders
Bizarro GOP, Ridge Offer Pass to Illegal Aliens
Fake ID business booming in Phoenix
Using the intelligence we get. (Editorial)
Speaking in Tongues: As More Immigrants Enter Work Force, English-Only Rules Come Into Question
Here's What Happens When You SPot The Border Patrol
New effort underway to protect immigrant workers
Group files suit against Barnetts; Claims impersonation of a federal agent
Latino general strike urged
False identity as sex offender leads to arrest (of illegal alien)
Social Security checks could go south of border
Ranchers Sued by Civil Rights Group
UCLA: Constitutional amendment should allow non-citizens to vote ["illegals should vote in CA"]
Chicago: Banks Allow Mortgages to Illegal Immigrants
Mexican Descendants Win in Colo. Court
It Makes Little Sense To Offer In-State Tuition To Illegal Aliens
AMNESTY CRISIS: Fight Tom Ridge's new plan
More arrests planned after Nogales, Sonora, cop bust
Homeland security chief endorses legalizing undocumented immigrants
Secure the northern border
Probe Of Scam At BMV Widens (Indiana)
Crackdown on Gangs Brings Mexico Violence
Ridge: Give illegal entrants 'status'
Pal: Brutes fought to get turn at rape
!Viva la Huelga! National Strike on December 12
President Bush signs workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens</>
Drug Smugglers Turn to Northern Border (But it's morally-superior smuggling, eh?)
Immigrant smugglers grow more violent
Alien Laws - We have rules. Why aren't we enforcing them?
Music group AIR SUPPLY detained in MEXICO for lack of work documents!
POLL: Should police report undocumented immigrants?
Investigators say ID theft rising among common Hispanic names
Political pandering and immigration law
CA: Immigration Incident Ignites Debate [National City J.C. Penney]
Valley Hospitals to Receive Money for Immigrant Care
Aid Package to Help Border Hospitals Cover Cost of Illegal Immigrants
Impact of the Consular Registration in Arizona (Mexican ID for Illegals)
Immigrant smugglers grow more violent
Ford vice president acquires Mexican citizenship, ID card
Exclusive: Mexico Frees Captive American Family
Why Arabs come to America: Joseph Farah on data showing nearly 80 percent are not Muslim
Boycott planned over license bill Protest organizers ask Latinos not to shop or work on Dec. 12
Ridge is ready to use UAVs; Fort and county could be base for a pilot project next year
Border patrol seizes some $2.1 million in marijuana
Immigration officer, 3 others charged in alien smuggling
Foes use zoning against patrollers
Team 7 Investigation Finds Terrorist Threats Across Border
Kucinich seeks support here [he is in Texas; "No people are illegal"]
1.2 million Arabs in U.S., census states
Plan assists Mexican trade
Schwarzenegger signs bill banning licenses for undocumented immigrants
Census: U.S. Arab Population Is Surging
Give border parity to Mexican citizens
Ridge says technology could help fight smuggling on border
A Done Deal: Free Trade Areas of the Americas
Border Fence Plan Riles Environmentalists
Proposal ties legal status to benefits
Group seeks Prop. 187-like ballot measure
Arnold on drivers licenses
Army took look at American Border Patrol's UAV setup
FEATURE-From mud huts to Walmart, Bantus make new life in US
Driver's license crucial for 'security'
Immigration: A Better Way
Governor Frees Illegal Alien who Murdered Woman in Front of her 14 month old child
Gangland’s New Face
WRONG NUMBERS: SOCIAL SECURITY DOESN'T MATCH UP (BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS)
Recall the NOTORIOUS 9 - Repeal passes Assembly 64-9
¿Habla Español? Your kids may soon
Undocumented students find new voice
'Coyotes': Criminals to the U.S. but heroes to many immigrants
More wages sent to Latin American homelands
Homeland Security Ends Registration
PBS News Hour: The Silent Latino Lie
More migrants being halted off U.S. coast
Despite Wal-Mart raids, crackdowns on illegal workers are rare
Critics lambaste immigration proposal
Riding the 'Pipeline':Agents process clues in effort to thwart illegal immigration
Proposal Targets Migrants' Offenses (Police Say They Lack Resources to Make Arrests)
Hospital warns migrants to pay up: Says failure could mean deportation
Houston activist's court date draws attention
New day labor site hopes to solve old problems By MARY SANCHEZ The Kansas City Star
House will vote on alien reporting
Agents make drug seizure in Huachucas; alleged coyote being held in county jail.
Net immigration rises by millions
Member of the Arizona civilian border patrol arrested for pistol whipping an illegal couple
Many Illegal Drivers Doubted License Law
Group Predicts Immigration Boom
Medicare bill gives Arizona hospitals $160 million for immigrant care
Russian Immigrants give thanks to America
Immigrant money sent home is double US foreign aid
Bush Must Act to Stem 'Invasion' from South
Repeal of Illegal Alien Driver’s License Law Represents a Change in Tactics, Not a Change of Heart
U.S. travel papers' security improved for foreigners
Medicare Plan Includes $1B for Immigrants
Navarrette: Mexico has no interest in stemming illegal immigration
Citizenship fight leaves migrant bewildered, jailed
3 immigrants found shot execution-style
California Senate has voted to repeal SB 60! (Drivers' Licenses for Illegals Being REPEALED Now!)
Wal-Mart lawsuit seen as trend for U.S. employers
Bid to block license law has immigrants on edge
Hispanic payments to families back home continues to grow
The UN Secretary-General urged the creation of a new international group to focus on immigration issues.
Their wed of deceit unraveled: 53% denied green cards
Congress takes up case of migrants (Amnesty)
Some workers leave T.J. Maxx jobs after company seeks documents
Pipeline off, water safe, illegals near: In Huachucas, Tombstone feels immigration impact
Migrant crackdown moves east
Lulac Frowns at Texas Redistricting
Special Registration for Arab Immigrants Will Reportedly Stop
Annan backs global approach to immigration woes(harmonize Laws The commission is co-chaired Mexico)
"Immigration and Disease: It's Enough to Make You Sick
Driver of speeding car killed in crash (ILLEGAL ALIEN SMUGGLER)
How to Destroy America
Eleven child predators arrested in Rhode Island-11 foreigners as part of a nationwide crackdown
Woman suing to stop driver’s licenses for illegals can’t separate the personal from the political
U.S.-Mexico Migration Talks Not Making Progress
Arizona Amnesty. Rewarding illegal aliens.
Questionable bills bring INS rebuke in auditing report
U.S. Set to Revise How It Tracks Some Visitors-Muslims Have Protested Use of Registration
Man found guilty of bribing INS for a green card (INS agent unable to explain $34,000 cash deposits)
26 State Legislators Back PAN Initiative
Immigration Reform Delays May Not Hurt Bush
Rights group protests deportation of J.C. Penney shoppers
2 deported after police stop in store (About time!)
Rep Tom Tancredo on TV Tonight
R-Arizona Lawmakers (The Three Stooges) Rally Guest-Worker Supporters
Wal-Mart's lesson on immigration: This could be you
Illegal Immigrants Suing the State of Iowa (Driver's Licences)
Agents target routes; Border Patrol operation focus is on area highways and trails
198 arrested in I-10 sweep for 'coyotes'
Entrants can win a green card in ‘Diversity Visa’ lottery
Wealth gap hits Hispanics in US
CAIR's Illegal Immigrant Hotline
Terrorists are using Canada as a launching pad to illegally enter America.
Licenses for illegal immigrants could pass Illinois Senate next week
Natives in U.S., Britain Getting Restless on Immigration
A CLEAR Solution for Criminal Aliens
Double Crossing at the Rio Grande
Smugglers' tunnel linking California, Mexico discovered
Koreans busted for illegal entry (Montana)
Immigration policy a 'politically sensitive issue' during free trade summit
Terrorism drill conducted at U.S.-Mexico border
Extra vigilance pays: Operation Trans Guard along I-10 nets 1,500 suspects
Immigration policy broke; Repair needed
House Vote Expected on Bill to Extend Employment Verification Program
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021757/posts
Tinhorn politicians and immigration: Jon Dougherty on elected officials protecting illegal aliens
'Broken Windows' of immigration


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Reference
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist

1 posted on 12/18/2003 6:37:56 AM PST by BeerSwillr
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To: BeerSwillr
Excellent compilation!

2 posted on 12/18/2003 6:39:54 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Thank you. My homepage has links to previous aggregation posts.
3 posted on 12/18/2003 6:42:03 AM PST by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: BeerSwillr
Almost all chat boards you see now the one topic drawing huge replies is immigration. It's impacting everyone now in nearly every state.

So goes California goes the rest of the country is proven true again.

4 posted on 12/18/2003 6:48:07 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Sabertooth
helpful ping
5 posted on 12/18/2003 6:50:10 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: BeerSwillr
I keep up on most of the threads regarding illegal aliens, but I'm saving your post for future reference. It's a blood pressure raising experiencce to keep reading these articles day after day after day. Unfortunately, I don't see any good end in sight.
6 posted on 12/18/2003 6:50:16 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: BeerSwillr
So the illegal aliens are here to help us huh? What a big lie! They're here to help themselves . . ."

We are all here to help ourselves, that's Capitalism, bub. Restricting the free movement of labor is, at its core, anti-capitalistic.

7 posted on 12/18/2003 6:51:48 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: BeerSwillr
Great list!
Thanks.

BUMP

8 posted on 12/18/2003 6:51:58 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: The Shootist
Restricting the free movement of labor is, at its core, anti-capitalistic.

America is not a shopping mall, it's our home. We have a legal immigration process that those around the world who wish to live in it should follow. It's not too much to ask and has nothing to do with political or economic systems.

9 posted on 12/18/2003 7:02:15 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: The Shootist
We are all here to help ourselves, that's Capitalism, bub. Restricting the free movement of labor is, at its core, anti-capitalistic.

I don't know where that comment came from bub but it's got nothing to do with illegal immigration.

10 posted on 12/18/2003 7:09:01 AM PST by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: BeerSwillr
Indeed a wonderful compilation.

Nice tagline, too ...... "Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45."

11 posted on 12/18/2003 7:09:13 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: gubamyster
Will you please use your ping list for this? Thanks.
12 posted on 12/18/2003 7:17:13 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: JustPiper
Ping.
13 posted on 12/18/2003 7:19:22 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: The Shootist
"Restricting the free movement of labor is, at its core, anti-capitalistic."

No, it's called enforcing existing laws concerning immigration. If you're illegal, the only movement you should have is back to the country of your origin.
14 posted on 12/18/2003 8:06:45 AM PST by Stephen Ritter
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
15 posted on 12/18/2003 9:03:10 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster; BeerSwillr; backhoe
Well, now, this is something worthy of backhoe!

Good job, beerswillr!

Thanks for the ping, Gubamyster. Looks like this issue is really heating up. I received a fundraising call from the RNC yesterday and gave the poor girl quite an earful. The good part was, she said I wasn't the first to blast her on the border issue.
16 posted on 12/18/2003 10:33:54 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: BeerSwillr
yet still no answer for the burning question - Why can't the illegals just use their real drivers licenses from Mexico?
17 posted on 12/18/2003 10:46:59 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: The Shootist
It ain't labor if it is collecting government checks and services . . .
18 posted on 12/18/2003 11:10:24 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: BeerSwillr
¡cTopetón, mi amigo!

19 posted on 12/18/2003 11:52:29 AM PST by putupon ("Borders? We don' need no steenkin' borders!"-Presidente Jorge Dubya del Rino Arbusto)
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To: BeerSwillr
Beerswillr

Your'e Alive!!

I thought you had bit the immigration thread dust.

20 posted on 12/18/2003 12:35:13 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the Open Borders Death Cult)
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To: The Shootist
There is more to life than being "capitalistic", how about being "patriotic"? Some things are not for sale. Like our sovereignty for one.
21 posted on 12/18/2003 1:42:57 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: HiJinx
Thanks. I'm just wondering why the Admin Mod relegated this to the chat area. My previous have remained in focus. I've asked to have it put back but to no avail.

I guess I've been a bad boy.
22 posted on 12/18/2003 2:20:45 PM PST by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
I am alive. I've been on the road a lot these last few weeks and haven't had much time to surf. I also lost posting permissions for a couple of days. I guess I lost my senses. beerswillr=chagrined
23 posted on 12/18/2003 2:25:39 PM PST by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: Republicus2001
Hey. It's not good form to ask those questions. /sarcasm
24 posted on 12/18/2003 2:27:36 PM PST by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: The Shootist
... Restricting the free movement of labor is, at its core, anti-capitalistic.

Ergo sum - the new globalist movement among the republicans - pro-capitalism to the core; as a matter of fact to the exclusion of all else. America - bring down the flag...its over.

Flame away, but its true.
25 posted on 12/18/2003 3:07:28 PM PST by Thisiswhoweare
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To: BeerSwillr
These articles should all be bumped to the top, not delegated to "chat".

Illegal immigration is one of the biggest problems facing America today. It is costing American taxpayers BILLIONS. Our states are being invaded while our "leaders" wink and nod in favor of Mexican slave labor and votes they think they're going to get. Are they giving any thought to the votes they're losing from their conservative base? I would guess the number is in the millions now, as we read every day about more and more entitlements to illegal aliens. Sick.

26 posted on 12/18/2003 3:30:40 PM PST by janetgreen (Tancredo for President)
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To: janetgreen
It is costing American taxpayers BILLIONS.

Just wondering here, and don't want to get attacked, but has anyone done any real analysis on what the impact would be if we had to have our fruits and veggies picked by minimum wage laborers? I am in NO WAY pro illegal immigrants, but it seems like there would be a tremendous ripple through our economy if legal American wages were paid for those services. And before I get attacked, I know nothing about this, just looking for some opinions, and good arguments. Thanks.
27 posted on 12/18/2003 3:45:41 PM PST by just_living
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To: just_living
Just wondering here, and don't want to get attacked, but has anyone done any real analysis on what the impact would be if we had to have our fruits and veggies picked by minimum wage laborers?

Don't have a link handy but I've read studies that even if farm workers were paid $20.00 an hour or more the price of lettuce would not go up as much as people think.

With increased mechanization the need for laborers could be drastically reduced anyway, but as long as farmers are supplied with cheap workers there isn't much incentive to do so.

28 posted on 12/18/2003 5:24:15 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: BeerSwillr; gubamyster; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
You are Da Man Swillr!

This is a very busy ping issue, if you would like on/off just gimme a holler!

29 posted on 12/18/2003 5:43:27 PM PST by JustPiper (Following the course of least resistance makes for crooked rivers and crooked men)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; Hannity
Amazing volume isn't it? Wish the politicians would read them all if they want to know the pulse of America!!!
30 posted on 12/18/2003 6:08:39 PM PST by JustPiper (Following the course of least resistance makes for crooked rivers and crooked men)
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To: JustPiper
Amazing volume isn't it?

They should be e-mailed to each and every Congressman and Senator.

31 posted on 12/18/2003 6:18:06 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Thisiswhoweare
pro-capitalism to the core . . .

I could only hope. Capitalism is certainly preferable to our socialist government.

Fact 1. We have a shortage of cheap labor.
Fact 2. Mexico has an abundance of cheap labor.
Fact 3. Cheap labor will move from Mexico to the United States.

Hampering that movement restricts business, creates inefficiencies and raises costs to consumers.

Read "The Wealth of Nations, Book IV" by Adam Smith (c) 1776.

32 posted on 12/18/2003 6:29:19 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: just_living
I don't think the difference between American minimum wage and the wage that illegals get for picking fruit and veggies is much different. The downside is that these employers don't have to provide any medical care, and probably pay many of their employees in cash, skipping the tax issue. There are millions of American welfare recipients who are able-bodied and able to pick fruit or do most of the jobs that illegal aliens do, but there's no politicians with huevos enough to even suggest it. Political correctness, of course, they don't want to hurt the feelings of welfare recipients or insult the corrupt Mexican politicians.
33 posted on 12/18/2003 7:18:35 PM PST by janetgreen (Tancredo for President)
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To: TLI
It ain't labor if it is collecting government checks and services . . .

The welfare state which is the United States is our fault, not theirs.

I've known many mestizos, in west Texas, Colorado, New Mexico and Georgia and all of them worked. Hard. They are, or will be, better citizens than many who were born here. I like their culture. I like their women. I like their beer and I like their food. As to their language, I cannot speak a coherent sentence.

Regardless, labor should be allowed to move from where there is a surplus to where there is a shortage. Anything else causes inefficiencies.

34 posted on 12/18/2003 7:22:39 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: BeerSwillr
They not only displace 730,000 US workers per year, but last year they sent to Mexico $40 BILLION! That's money that used to circulate in the US economy because American workers SPENT IT HERE IN THE USA!
35 posted on 12/19/2003 12:16:43 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: BeerSwillr
Thanks for the list!
36 posted on 12/19/2003 2:19:52 AM PST by lainde
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To: The Shootist
The welfare state which is the United States is our fault, not theirs.

Our welfare is meant for our citizens, NOT for mexicans.

I've known many mestizos, in west Texas, Colorado, New Mexico and Georgia and all of them worked. Hard. They are, or will be, better citizens than many who were born here. I like their culture. I like their women. I like their beer and I like their food. As to their language, I cannot speak a coherent sentence.

I live in the DFW metroplex and we have about one million of them here. Their neighborhoods are gang infested, crime riddled slums (that did not used to be that way before the mexicans took it over), the schools are battlefields in which the American flag takes a back seat to the flag of mexico with the local American Citizens property owners footing the tax bill, there are MORE metal detectors in the typical school than the local jail, the "government services" rolls are totally flooded with them, the jails are overflowing with them AFTER quadrupling in capacity. Excuse me for not going along with your pie-in-the-sky theory on "labor flow." Around here we are pretty concerned with preventing "blood flow."

Here is a lineup of the current Texas 10 Most wanted . . .

BRUNSON, DANIELSA, DELGADO, FERNANDEZ, GONZALES, MORENO, SEGUEDA, VELAZCO, and at the end... WACKERHAGEN (token white guy), and WILLIAMS, (token black guy).

Large sections of Dallas are inaccessible to anyone but mexicans in regards to attempting to make a living, no spanish, no job. Personally, I would not live in those neighborhoods anyway, I have no desire to pack heat to pick up a few groceries at the corner store.

Regardless, labor should be allowed to move from where there is a surplus to where there is a shortage. Anything else causes inefficiencies.

I agree. OUR labor. Our out of work citizens. Not mexico.

Close the border, deport the criminal invaders or loose the country.

TLI

37 posted on 12/19/2003 7:03:57 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: TLI
I live in the DFW metroplex and we have about one million of them here. Their neighborhoods are gang infested, crime riddled slums (that did not used to be that way before the mexicans took it over), the schools are battlefields in which the American flag takes a back seat to the flag of mexico with the local American Citizens property owners footing the tax bill, there are MORE metal detectors in the typical school than the local jail, the "government services" rolls are totally flooded with them, the jails are overflowing with them AFTER quadrupling in capacity. Excuse me for not going along with your pie-in-the-sky theory on "labor flow." Around here we are pretty concerned with preventing "blood flow."

Funny. The same things (minus the remarks about metal detectors) were said in New York, during the 1880s, about the Irish.

The flow of Labor, like any other commodity, is governed by supply and demand. Sorry chum just cause you don't like facts doesn't mean they ain't true.

I agree. OUR labor. Our out of work citizens

Economics does not recognise artificial boundaries. Closing the border will impact the US economy more than it will those trying to cross it. Also, the politicians in your State (both R and D) will never allow the border to be closed. Even Ron Paul has a mixed record in regards to Illegal Immigration (I'm not talking about what he says, I'm talking about his actual voting record).

The mexican border will not be closed unless there is a major successful terrorist attack and then any closure will be temporary. Maybe you had better move to Minnesota, or New Hampshire. The Free State Project.

38 posted on 12/19/2003 7:58:09 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: The Shootist
Well, well, where do we begin . . .

Your comparison of the mexicans to the "Irish" does not make sense and is not much of a comparison at all. The Irish were not on welfare or sucking up tax money, as there was no income tax then, or freebies from the government. Therefore they (the Irish) could not freeload off of the other Americans. Most had, or were in the process of getting the hell out of there, you will not see the mexicans going anywhere. The Irish came here on a boat through the legal system of that time and did not criminally cross the border.

Just because I don't like the facts does not mean they can not be changed. And that is where you and the majority of folks will differ. You seem to believe that the current situation is the only set of "facts" that can exist. That situation on the border can change OVERNIGHT if need be. And yes, closing the border can and has happened in the past. It can happen again. The economy will change a bit from a border closure but be adversely impacted? NO.

What will change the economy for the better is to put the brakes on an invasion of a "culture" that bows to a centralist government theory instead of maintaining freedom. What a coincidence that all this is happening when the politicians have become so bland on issues that government welfare for criminal invaders has become THE issue of choice for the communists (democrats) in a presidential election. One more thing, the economy will flat out go into the toilet if the criminal illegals are not stopped as it is theorised that the Dow Jones and the S&P don't do very well when there are about 5 to 7 million American in OPEN FRICKIN REVOLT.

Your logic seems to run in circles except when you indicate a rather static view of the situation. If the border does remain open that very likely WILL be the cause of another major terrorist attack. Which will result in border closure. While it does remain open it will be the kiss of death waiting to happen, as the closure and deportation of the criminals will result in a dramatic drop in crime. The politicians will be standing there with their d|(&$ in the breeze with no explanation as to why they did not close that border TEN YEARS AGO. This in itself will CHANGE the situation, again. Some change will be seen when that current crop of politicians are run off. The best results will stem from the identification and deportation of the criminal illegals.

By the way . . . aren't you noticing that nobody is offering any support to your theory on how "labor flow" is the beginning and end of things influencing events? Don't you know Americans are FAMOUS for doing things that might not make robot-like sense, but just because they damn well wanted too?

Study a little real military history for a bit of an eye opener regarding what Americans are capable of when they get, much as they are now, good and PI$$ED OFF. You will find the "government" scrambling to play catch up.

Move? Nah, I don't think so. After all, I'm one of those "Hitleresque" redneck, undereducated, gun totin dumb-ass Texans, right? I'm just here cause I live for the sound of hot lead smacking raw flesh, right? What would I know about what is good for me?

TLI

39 posted on 12/19/2003 10:27:01 PM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: TLI
The Irish were not on welfare

Oh but they were. It just wasn't called "welfare" it was called charity. Then there were the "poor houses" and "work houses". The Irish were violent, drank to excess and spoke funny. They fought. They were territorial. South Boston still has this reputation.

The Irish immigrants formed "gangs". These gangs were involved in theft rings, murder for hire and protection rackets. No one felt safe going into their neighborhoods to, using your phrase, "buy groceries".

Facts don't change. The Law of Supply and Demand is immutable and will not bend to your fantasy. You can raise the costs associated with labor migration but, just as with any other commodity, it will find a new level. You might as well fight the ocean.

Open revolt? Ha!

Economics is the overriding influence. I'm constantly amazed that the children of capitalism continually fail to recognise that fact. At least the Founders did.

Everything mankind does is influenced by scarcity and abundance. The system works well until some entity, be it government, religion or an abstract group, tries to artifically control access. Left to its own devices, "the invisible hand" will find a balance.

btw, I can read unbolded text just fine, thank you very much.

40 posted on 12/20/2003 7:27:54 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: The Shootist
The notion we must have perpetual illegal immigration for our economy to survive and grow is absurd. Japan has no immigration whatsoever and their economy, though flat in 2003 like everyone else's, including America's is now recovering.

We have a very generous legal immigration system to offset a stagnant population, and if need be we can increase mechanization in many sectors of the economy, including agriculture.

Those who want massive illegal immigration are either naive or are profiting somehow off of the cheap, compliant labor they're pushing onto us. And we are not fooled in the least by the Wall St. Journal/open borders rhetoric of doom and gloom if the borders are closed.

41 posted on 12/20/2003 9:40:52 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: BeerSwillr
I think it's interesting that Bush favors a policy of a foreign power (i.e. Vincente Fox) that contravenes the will of the American people...
42 posted on 12/20/2003 10:54:28 AM PST by Zipporah
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To: BeerSwillr
Ain't nothing ever going to change on this subject as long as the Dem's want illegals for their votes, while the Repub's want them for the cheap labor.
43 posted on 12/20/2003 11:19:19 AM PST by vladog
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To: BeerSwillr
Doing probation in "chat"?
44 posted on 12/20/2003 4:05:01 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the Open Borders Death Cult)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The notion we must have perpetual illegal immigration for our economy to survive and grow is absurd.

I agree.

What I have been saying is that illegal immigration is, simply speaking, supply fulfilling demand. Those who would "close the border" are attempting to resolve the issue by artificially curtailing supply. As any student of history can tell you, this will simply not work.

I would also suggest to you that Japan is not a valid comparison for many reasons, not the least of which being, the Japanese are extremely intolerant of gaijin, people not Japanese. Their society will pay almost any price not to have to associate with outsiders (be they Asian or European).

Further, I will stipulate that most people who oppose open borders with Mexico and/or South America do so for the same reason the Japanese do; intolerance, bigotry and prejudice. Several of the recent respondents to this thread strongest argument against mestizo immigration is that they take welfare destined for "real" Americans, live in squalor, fill our prisons, and that their neighborhoods are crime-ridden.

Lastly, cheap, compliant, labor is an important constituent to a strong economy. I want a cook, maid and gardener that will work hard for low pay. It would help if our "Masters" in Washington would recind minimum wage laws but in the interim I can understand why illegal immigrants are desirable.

45 posted on 12/20/2003 8:31:42 PM PST by The Shootist
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To: BeerSwillr

Is there an updated thread like this for the illegal alien issue?

Thanks,
Kelly


46 posted on 01/30/2007 4:02:19 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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