Skip to comments.Calling All Gun Nuts – Please Help Identify This Antique Pistol.
Posted on 12/23/2004 9:03:18 PM PST by Jaysun
Any help that you guys can provide in identifying this little revolver would be greatly appreciated. I can provide additional pictures if anyone feels that may be helpful. Heres what we know about the gun:
My uncle found this gun in the wall of a house that was being torn down in Waco, Texas. The house was believed to be about 50 years old at the time, which makes the pistol around 100 years old (assuming it was placed there when the house was built). Other than that, I have no other history on the gun.
Its a 7 shot and the caliber appears to accommodate .22 short rounds. The barrel is 5.5 long. The gun is marked with a factory number 110298 on the frame at the front side of the grip. The two-piece wooden grip has the number 298 on each piece. The cylinder has the number 98 on it. The words SCOUT MODEL are on the top of the pistol as shown in the picture. There are no other markings. This gun feels very small in the hand; the trigger is pretty close to the grip.
It looks like it could be a Colt to me, but I cant find an exact match. Some have speculated that it might have been issued to a Texas Ranger, but thats just wishful thinking so far. I have a sizable number of antique guns and this is the only one we cant identify. Thanks again for your help and comments.
Like I say I'm away from my text on the subject but it's a H&R clone of the IJ IMHO or a variant made earlier. Also any clean sharp edges or rounded ones could be the result of a hammer monkey refinishing it .
I'll look tomorrow evening for ya when I get home.....Stay safe !
ok....scout model inscribed on topstrap.
7 shot .22 (something...short obviously)
selective DA unlike suicide specials right?
hmmmmm....I agree...not a Colt....never seen that frame on a Colt.
Flaydermans at hand....bet you've already tried that.
I think what you have is a Model 1900 Iver Johnson .22 Revolver built for a reseller like Sears and Roebuck or Montgomery Wards who may have specified the "Scout Model" designation. The lack of cylinder fluting is consistent with that model; the checkering on the grips is Iver Johnson's signature design for that period. Iver Johnson made minor changes in their guns almost yearly while the overall design remained basically the same.
The high serial number indicates a maker who has been around for a long time who made a lot of guns. Iver Johnson was founded in 1874 IIRC.
The three digit number is the "drawer number" used in the gun assembly shop to assure that all the matching parts for a specific gun are kept together during the manufacturing process.
Your gun is probably the 6" model... be sure to measure the barrel to the cylinder, not the frame.
As ya state the 100 year old home etc and the fact one is a top break makes me think your smaller revolver is the IJ or an IJ clone from around the turn of the century......The top break IJ has all the "signatures " to suggest Iver Johnson or an H&R clone of it.....tomorrow.
Stay safe !
Iver Johnson made both top-break and solid frame .22 revolvers. Your top-break model is not comparable. What caliber is your top-break?
the fact that the wheelgun in question is not a topbreak bugs me....one is much more likely to find 100+ year old H&A, H&R, IJ, F&Ws S&W etc in topbreak.....especially in small caliber ....except Colt.
If I were in Union City TN, I'd waltz into DGW and pull up yer pic for Jamie and I bet he would know pronto....as would the folks at AntiqueGuns.com
HR, Hopkins Allen, F&W and IJ all had that same look....cheap suicide specials...most were DA only....one can buy one today for 150 bucks NIB pre-1899 on Antiqueguns.com....no JBT paperwork either.
H/R Trapper Model
course this barrel is beveled too...hmmmm.....those are fairly unique grips it seems
wtf....I'm back to guessing again
Wardaddy, the 2 1/2" and 4 1/2" barreled IJ 1900s had Octogon Barrels. The 2" 4" and 6" models had round barrels. They were also available with hard rubber grips as seen in your picture or with walnut "western" style grips with the diamond checkering.
It was also available in .22, .32S&W and .38S&W. Naturally, the higher calibers required larger frames.
Although it was 30 years ago, I was a California Court system qualified expert in antique firearms and their values. I managed two gun shops.
There are several 1900s for sale with auction bids of under $60 and a couple with "buy it now" prices of around $75.
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Here's another theory.....Perhaps this weapon is part of a limited edition special run by some obscure manufacturer. Send a pic into Guns Magazine they have folks who can ID it, be sure to send all the other info, too.
I'll go along with that but the wood grips are not the originals.
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What caliber is the weapon? I can't tell from the photo.