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Giant Kuiper Belt planetoid Sedna may have formed far beyond Pluto
Physics Org (http://www.physorg.com/) ^ | January 24, 2005 | Southwest Research Institute

Posted on 10/22/2005 1:05:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

In a report published in the January 2005 issue of The Astronomical Journal, planetary scientist Dr. Alan Stern of the Space Science and Engineering Division at Southwest Research Institute (SwRI) shows Sedna could have formed far beyond the distance of Pluto... Stern's Sedna formation simulations assumed that Sedna's original orbit, while distant from the Sun, was circular. Astronomers agree that Sedna could not have formed in its present, eccentric orbit because such an orbit allows only violent collisions that prevent the growth of small bodies. Stern's simulations further assumed that the solar nebula -- the disk of material out of which the planets formed -- was much more extended than most previous simulations had assumed.

(Excerpt) Read more at physorg.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy
KEYWORDS: artbell; planetx; sedna; xplanets
Case of Sedna's Missing Moon Solved
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
April 14, 2005
Physics Org
When the distant planetoid Sedna was discovered on the outer edges of our solar system, it posed a puzzle to scientists. Sedna appeared to be spinning very slowly compared to most solar system objects, completing one rotation every 20 days. Astronomers hypothesized that this world possessed an unseen moon whose gravity was slowing Sedna's spin. Yet Hubble Space Telescope images showed no sign of a moon large enough to affect Sedna. New measurements by Scott Gaudi, Krzysztof (Kris) Stanek and colleagues at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) have cleared up this mystery by showing that a moon wasn't needed after all. Sedna is rotating much more rapidly than originally believed, spinning once on its axis every 10 hours. This shorter rotation period is typical of planetoids in our solar system, requiring no external influences to explain... While these data solve one mystery of Sedna, other mysteries remain. Chief among them is the question of how Sedna arrived in its highly elliptical, eons-long orbit.


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1 posted on 10/22/2005 1:05:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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SCIENTISTS have found a new world orbiting the solar system ñ more than 3 billion kilometres further away from the Sun than Pluto and 40 years away from Earth in a space shuttle. NASA is expected to announce today the discovery of the space object, which some experts believe could be a new planet. It is provisionally known as Sedna, after the Inuit goddess of the sea. The discovery of Sedna ñ 10 billion kilometres from Earth ñ is a testament to the new generation of high-powered telescopes. Measurements suggest Sedna's diameter is almost 2000km ñ the biggest find...
 

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New Scientist | 4/15/05 | Maggie McKee
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Space.com | 3/16/04 | Robert Roy Britt
Our corner of the galaxy got a little stranger this week with the discovery of Sedna, the most distant object ever spotted in the solar system. Now astronomers are puzzling over how it got there. The most intriguing idea is that there might be another world as big as Earth, a gravitational bully lurking in some unexplored corner of the solar system. Here's the problem: Scientists can't figure out how Sedna, which is about three-fourths as big as Pluto, came to have such a strange orbit around the Sun. Sedna's path is highly elliptic. It ranges from 76 astronomical units...
 

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2 posted on 10/22/2005 1:15:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: 75thOVI; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; BenLurkin; Berosus; CGVet58; chilepepper; ckilmer; Eastbound; ...
Ping!
3 posted on 10/22/2005 1:16:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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most or all are dead links, but I didn't check 'em.
Did Jupiter Bully Other Planets in Sibling Rivalry?
by Robert Roy Britt
8 December 1999
One possible explanation, discussed in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, is that Uranus and Neptune formed much closer to the center of the action than their current positions might indicate. In this scheme, Jupiter and Saturn were bullies of a protoplanetary playground, shoving the other two future giants out of the way.
Jupiter gave birth to Uranus and Neptune
by Dr David Whitehouse
8 December 1999
Not too long ago, scientists regarded the orbits that the planets circle our Sun as being the ones they were born in. Now they are realising that this is not the case. Uranus and Neptune may have migrated outwards and Jupiter may have come in from the outer cold. Scientists have always been slightly puzzled by the positions of Uranus and Neptune because in their present locations it would have taken longer than the age of the Solar System for them to form. Scientists from Queen's University suggest that the four giant planets started out as rocky cores in the Jupiter-Saturn region, and that the cores of Uranus and Neptune were tossed out by Jupiter's and Saturn's gravity.
Jupiter's Composition Throws Planet-formation Theories into Disarray
by Robert Roy Britt
Nov 17 1999
Examining four-year-old data, researchers have found significantly elevated levels of argon, krypton and xenon in Jupiter's atmosphere that may force a rethinking of theories about how the planet, and possibly the entire solar system, formed. Prevailing theories of planetary formation hold that the sun gathered itself together in the center of a pancake-shaped disk of gas and dust, then the planets begin to take shape by cleaning up the leftovers. In Jupiter's current orbit, 5 astronomical units from the sun, temperatures are too warm for the planetesimals to have trapped the noble gases. Only in the Kuiper belt -- a frigid region of the solar system more than 40 AU from the sun -- could planetesimals have trapped argon, krypton and xenon.

While lead researcher Tobias Owen does not put much stock in the idea that Jupiter might have migrated inward to its present position, other scientists on the team say the idea merits consideration. Owen expects the probes will find similarly high levels of noble gases in Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Hints of these gases have even been found in the thick atmosphere of Venus, another planet now begging more study.
It's remarkable and ironic how using logic to proceed from invalid assumptions leads later people to surprises when actual observations are done in attempts to verify the old models.
Newfound Moons Tell Secrets of Solar System
by Henry Fountain
August 12, 2003
The fact that most of the satellites' orbits are retrograde and eccentric speaks volumes about their origins: They had to have come from elsewhere, and been captured by the planets at some point. If they formed at the same time as the planets, from the spinning nebular disk, their orbits would be nearly circular and in the same direction as the planets' rotation, like the "regular" moons... In the case of the irregular satellites, they could not have shifted from an orbit around the Sun to an orbit around one of the giant planets without slowing down -- through friction in an atmosphere, perhaps; the influence of gravity; or a collision with another object... But there are two other possibilities for capture, Dr. Nesvorny said. One is that rapid growth of the core led to a corresponding increase in gravity, enough to pull down a nearby object. The other is that captured objects were a result of a collision between two planetesimals, the force of the collision being enough to dissipate the energy of at least one of them. Either of these two theories may be a more likely explanation for the satellites of Uranus and Neptune, which formed differently from Jupiter and Saturn, without the large amounts of gas.
Retrograde satellites lose momentum to the parent body and slowly spiral inward, which puts an upper limit on the length of time the retrograde moons have spent as satellites, and obviously, will spend as satellites.

Another one from the James Hogan website:
Planet Formation In Hundreds Of Years?
Posted on January 27, 2003
The British astronomer W.H. McCrea concluded in the '60s, as others have since, that minor planets could not form by accretion inside the orbit of Jupiter because of its disruptive tidal effects, and R.A. Lyttleton showed in a fluid dynamic analysis of Jupiter's core that its rotation and accretion rates would cause it to become periodically unstable and fission to throw off excess mass. We're told that the gas giants don't have rock cores, but that has always struck me as preposterous, since even if they formed from pure gaseous concentrations initially, bodies of that size would surely attract heavier material thereafter. So conceivably gas giants formed rapidly in the way the Pittsburgh simulation depicts represent the first phase of a process that accumulates fast-spinning cores of heavier material that gets compressed down to rocky densities, and ejects them as a planet and comet factory.

Yet another instance of something that Velikovsky was ridiculed and vilified for proposing, finding its way quietly into respectable science though the back door fifty years later.

4 posted on 10/22/2005 1:17:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I used to wear a Kuiper Belt with my Gordon Gekko Suspenders.


5 posted on 10/22/2005 1:19:00 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You have great fashion sense.


6 posted on 10/22/2005 1:21:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Cool tagline.


7 posted on 10/22/2005 1:26:50 PM PDT by brivette
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To: SunkenCiv
"Scientists have always been slightly puzzled by the positions of Uranus and Neptune because in their present locations it would have taken longer than the age of the Solar System for them to form."

Their arrogance is amusing when coupled with their refusal to admit that they are making it up as they go along.

8 posted on 10/22/2005 1:37:46 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: SunkenCiv
>> the disk of material out of which the planets formed -- was much more extended than most previous simulations had assumed.

Indeed. And to assume that a 4.6 billion year old process (?) is complete because we started watching it a thousand years ago is foolish at best.

Evolution continues before our very eyes on this planet, it is lunacy to believe that the heavens are set and steady since humanity learned to observe the creation in process.

The creation continues at a frantic pace for the observant; and has stopped dead for the rest of us...
9 posted on 10/22/2005 1:55:16 PM PDT by mmercier (awareness dictates the creation)
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To: BenLurkin; mmercier

well said.

Newfound Planetary System Has 'Hometown' Look
June 13, 2002
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2002/release_2002_133.html

"The star, 55 Cancri in the constellation Cancer, was already known to have one planet, announced by Butler and Marcy in 1996. That planet is a gas giant slightly smaller than the mass of Jupiter and whips around the star in 14.6 days at a distance only one-tenth that from Earth to the Sun."

Its origin is either capture, or ejected from its star; a satellite in prograde rotation will experience a momentum transfer from the parent body, meaning a very short timeframe in orbit around 55 Cancri.


10 posted on 10/22/2005 3:30:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

"Yet another instance of something that Velikovsky was ridiculed and vilified for proposing, finding its way quietly into respectable science through the back door fifty years later."

Bruno comes to mind.




11 posted on 10/22/2005 4:19:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: SunkenCiv
Entire continents and planets are formed in days not millennia.

We have no conceptualization of how rapid things occur. Things may set staid for a billion years, and be reset in an entire new staid format in mere minutes...

I am a believer in immediate upheaval and contravention, especially where nature is concerned.

Belief that all change is gradual is a survival mechanism. Creative force (God) acts so fast that it is over before one can realize there is a change. Entire cosmos form in seconds, if it were not for the slowness of our perception we would see this.
12 posted on 10/22/2005 4:50:51 PM PDT by mmercier (nonlinear dynamic)
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To: mmercier

Tenth Planet Has a Moon
Space and Earth science | October 03, 2005
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Scientists are over the moon at the W.M. Keck Observatory and the California Institute of Technology over a new discovery of a satellite orbiting the Solar System's 10th planet (2003 UB313). The newly discovered moon orbits the farthest object ever seen in the Solar System.


The existence of the moon will help astronomers resolve the question of whether 2003 UB313, temporarily nicknamed "Xena," is more massive than Pluto and hence the 10th planet. A paper describing the discovery was submitted to the Astrophysical Journal Letters on October 3, 2005.

"We were surprised because this is a completely different type of satellite from anything we've seen before," said Dr. Mike Brown, professor of Planetary Sciences at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "It is essentially a new class of satellites to large Kuiper Belt objects. It is tiny compared to the primary, and much fainter. We have never seen satellites like this before."

The newly discovered moon, which is 60 times fainter than its parent body, is affectionately called "Gabrielle" after the faithful traveling companion to Xena on the syndicated TV series. Future observations with the 10-meter Keck II telescope and the Hubble Space Telescope will determine the moon's orbital characteristics, which has an estimated period of about 14 days, and will therefore reveal the precise mass and density of Xena.

"What is interesting is that Xena, Pluto and Santa, three of the four largest objects in the Kuiper belt, all have moons," said Dr. Marcos van Dam, adaptive optics scientist at the W. M. Keck Observatory and co-author on the paper describing the discovery. "These moons suggest that these Kuiper belt objects may have formed differently than smaller objects in the same region."

The moon circling Xena was first discovered with the Keck II telescope on September 10, 2005 (UT) using the Laser Guide Star Adaptive Optics system (LGS AO). Since 2003, this system has been providing very high spatial resolution imaging in the infrared comparable to that of visible light images from Hubble Space Telescope.

With LGS AO, observers not only get higher resolution, but the light from distant objects is concentrated over a much smaller area on the instrument detector, making faint detections possible. The results are quickly advancing the understanding of binary Kuiper belt objects, a region in the Solar System beyond the orbit of Neptune.

The Keck LGS AO system has also been used to look at other recently discovered large bodies in the Kuiper belt. A small moon was found circling around 2003 EL61 (codenamed "Santa") but none was found orbiting 2005 FY9 ("Easterbunny"), the two largest known Kuiper belt objects after Xena and Pluto.

"When we test collision models to predict how Pluto and Charon formed, the models kept producing tiny satellites, much smaller than Charon," added Brown "But we had never seen satellites that small before in the Kuiper belt. But then we found a moon in the Santa system, and then we found another moon circling Xena, and they both look very similar to one another. This leads us to conclude that the largest objects in the Kuiper belt may have been subject to collisions."

Van Dam described the discovery: "At first we saw this little faint thing that kept cropping up in all the images, and we knew it was not a background star or galaxy because it moved across the sky with the primary. We could also tell that it was not an image artifact because it did not rotate with the sky and was consistent in each of the 24 images. By morning we knew that we had made a major discovery."

The discovery of the moon's primary, Xena, was announced July 29th by planetary astronomers Mike Brown of Caltech, Chad Trujillo of Gemini Observatory and David Rabinowitz of Yale University. It is currently about 97 astronomical units from the Sun (an astronomical unit is the 93-million-mile distance between the Sun and Earth), and is larger than the size of Pluto.

It takes 560 years to complete one trip around the Sun (versus 250 years for Pluto) and has a very steep angle in relation to the other planets, about 45 degrees off from the orbital plane of the other nine planets. Xena also has a very elliptical orbit, coming in as close as 3.5 billion miles (38 AU) and as far away as 9 billion miles.

The names "Xena," "Gabrielle," "Santa" and "Easterbunny" are temporary nicknames until the International Astronomical Union (IAU) rules on their official names. The proposed names have been submitted to the IAU and will follow the mythological and spiritual traditions of Kuiper belt objects.

Meanwhile, the IAU has stated it will not rule on a name until the IAU Working Group in charge of defining a planet determines a minimum size for a planet. Until then, the IAU considers all objects discovered in the outer solar system as "Trans-Neptunian" objects.

Adaptive Optics is a technique that corrects the effect of atmospheric blurring to produce images with a resolution comparable to what would be obtained from space. To measure atmospheric distortion, the adaptive optics system relies on a relatively bright guide star very close in the field of view to the scientific object of study.

Since there was no naturally-occurring guide star sufficiently bright enough with which to study Xena, astronomers used the Keck Laser Guide Star system to create an artificial star instead.

The team responsible for the discovery of Gabrielle, a moon orbiting 2003 UB313, are Michael E. Brown and Antonin H. Bouchez of California Institute of Technology in Pasadena; Marcos A. van Dam, David Le Mignant, Randall D. Campbell, Jason C. Y. Chin, Al Conrad, Scott K. Harman, Erik M. Johansson, Robert E. Lafon, Paul J. Stomski Jr., Douglas M. Summers and Peter L. Wizinowich of the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii; Chadwick A. Trujillo of Gemini Observatory in Hawaii and David L. Rabinowitz of Yale University in Connecticut.


13 posted on 10/22/2005 9:25:08 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Am I missing something? This article is a year old...


14 posted on 10/25/2005 7:46:23 PM PDT by MikeD (You can argue with your Maker, but you know that you just can't win...)
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To: MikeD

Hey, it's only nine months old. ;')


15 posted on 10/25/2005 10:23:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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artist's conceptions:

the view from Sedna:
http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2004/14/images/e/formats/web_print.jpg

with objects identified:
http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/2004/14/images/f/formats/large_web.jpg


16 posted on 02/04/2006 6:24:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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Turns out this topic was first suggested in Extrasolar Planets: A Matter of Metallicity, but the link that follows was never used to produce one:
Did Our Sun Capture Alien Worlds?
by Jill Johnston West
University of Utah
Between 30 and 50 astronomical units from the sun – that is, 2.8 billion to 4.7 billion miles from the sun – several Kuiper belt objects larger than 600 miles in diameter are known to orbit the sun. Sedna, discovered in 2003, is similar to these cold, rock-and-ice worlds, but orbits 70 to 1,000 astronomical units from the sun. It has a high-inclination orbit, which means it does not travel around the sun in the same plane as the major planets. Sedna's orbit also is highly elliptical or elongated.

Bromley says Kuiper belt objects are influenced by Neptune's gravity, but Neptune alone is too far away to have launched Sedna on its bizarre path, he says.

What caused Sedna's elongated orbit? Answering this question was a key goal of Bromley and Kenyon's study. Their simulations show there is a 5 percent to 10 percent chance Sedna formed within our solar system, probably closer to Neptune or Pluto, and was later launched into its current orbit when our solar system was "buzzed" by another.

17 posted on 02/26/2006 9:53:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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Big-orbit Object Confounds Dynamicists
Source: Sky & Telescope Magazine
Published: Thursday, April 5 2001 Author: J. Kelly Beatty
Posted on 04/07/2001 11:46:54 PDT by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3acf609e1367.htm

"In the months that followed, an international team led by Brett Gladman (Nice Observatory) quietly tracked the dim interloper. Thanks to their year-long pursuit, it's now clear that 2000 CR105 has a highly eccentric orbit that stretches out to roughly 400 a.u. -- more than 10 times Pluto's mean distance from the Sun and far larger than that of any known Kuiper Belt object. But more puzzling to dynamicists is the orbit's perihelion distance. At 44.5 a.u. (6.7 billion km), it is well beyond the perturbing influence of Neptune, whose gravity has flung countless other bodies out to the solar system's most distant fringes. So how did 2000 CR105 end up stranded out there?"


18 posted on 03/09/2006 10:16:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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[source]

Scenarios for the Origin of the Orbits of the Trans-Neptunian Objects 2000 CR105 and 2003 VB12 (Sedna)
Alessandro Morbidelli1 and Harold F. Levison2

1 Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur, Boulevard de l'Observatoire, B.P. 4229, 06304 Nice Cedex 4, France
2 Southwest Research Institute, 1050 Walnut St., Suite 400, Boulder, CO 80302, USA

Explaining the origin of the orbits of 2000 CR105 ($a\sim230$ AU, $q\sim45$ AU) and 2003 VB12 (a=531 AU, q=74 AU, unofficially known as Sedna) is a major test for our understanding of the primordial evolution of the outer Solar System. Gladman et al. (2001) showed that 2000 CR105 could not have been a normal member of the scattered disk that had its perihelion distance increased by chaotic diffusion. The same conclusion also clearly applies to 2003 VB12. In this paper we explore five seemingly promising mechanisms for explaining the origin of the orbits of these peculiar objects: (i) the passage of Neptune through a high-eccentricity phase, (ii) the past existence of massive planetary embryos in the Kuiper belt or the scattered disk, (iii) the presence of a massive trans-Neptunian disk at early epochs that perturbed high-inclined scattered disk objects, (iv) encounters with other stars that perturbed the orbits of some of the Solar System's trans-Neptunian planetesimals, and (v) the capture of extra-solar planetesimals from low mass stars or brown dwarfs encountering the Sun. Of all these mechanisms, the ones giving the most satisfactory results are those related to the passages of stars (iv and v). An important advantage of both stellar passage scenarios is that all the resulting objects with large perihelion distances also have large semi-major axes. This is in good agreement with the fact that 2000 CR105 and 2003 VB12 have semi-major axes larger than 200 AU and no other bodies with similar perihelion distances but smaller semi-major axes have yet been discovered. We favor (iv), since it produces an orbital element distribution that is more consistent with the observations, unless 2000 CR105 and 2003 VB12 represent a population more massive than a few tenths of an Earth mass, in which case (iv) is not viable.

To appear in: The Astronomical Journal

Preprints on the web at http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~hal/CR105.html
and http://www.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403358

19 posted on 03/09/2006 10:20:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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just a bump to an old topic, with a link to one much older:

Big-orbit Object Confounds Dynamicists
Source: Sky & Telescope Magazine
Published: Thursday, April 5 2001 Author: J. Kelly Beatty
Posted on 04/07/2001 11:46:54 PDT by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3acf609e1367.htm


20 posted on 08/13/2006 10:35:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Distant planetoid Sedna gives up more secrets
New Scientist | 4/15/05 | Maggie McKee
Posted on 04/16/2005 2:23:49 AM EDT by LibWhacker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384847/posts

"Astronomers have struggled to explain such an extreme orbit, but many believe a star passing by the Sun about 4 billion years ago yanked the planetoid off its original, circular course."


21 posted on 08/13/2006 10:36:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Distant Sedna Raises Possibility of Another Earth-Sized Planet in Our Solar System
Space.com | 3/16/04 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 03/18/2004 5:00:00 PM EST by LibWhacker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1100694/posts

"Scientists can't figure out how Sedna, which is about three-fourths as big as Pluto, came to have such a strange orbit around the Sun. Sedna's path is highly elliptic. It ranges from 76 astronomical units (AU) when it is closest to the Sun to 1,000 AU when it is farthest. One AU is the distance from Earth to the Sun... Marsden favors an object closer in, a 'planetary object,' he told SPACE.com, perhaps at between 400 and 1,000 AU... Marsden says such a scenario leaves open the question of how an Earth-sized planet could have formed so far from the Sun, where raw material should have been sparse, according to current theory. Brown said an Earth-sized planet is indeed a possibility. But his team's calculations put it at about 70 AU."


22 posted on 08/13/2006 10:38:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Some moron put "ARTBELL" in the keywords. Only a useless waste of human skin would do that. Anyway, this is an older, slightly used topic.

23 posted on 08/13/2006 10:42:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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just an update.
 
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24 posted on 05/15/2008 10:07:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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