Skip to comments.An Unknown Planet Orbits in the Outer Solar System
Posted on 08/05/2007 6:22:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
A theory is hereby proposed that an unknown mega-massive planet has, for billions of years, been orbiting at 77.2 AU from the sun -- within a 44 AU-wide, virtually empty Great Void that surrounds the Kuiper Belt (One AU = 93 million miles, the mean Earth-Sun distance). The Void is postulated to have been formed by strong gravitational attraction of the unknown planet having removed all CKBOs (Classical Kuiper Belt Objects) that had existed previously in the vicinity of the massive planet's huge orbit... The 77.2 AU distance from the sun of the proposed unknown planet is derived from a formula and numerical progression conceived by Johann Titius in 1766 and first published by Johann Bode in 1772... Neptune not matching any Bode's Law projected position could be due to that planet having shifted its original orbit from a different position to its present one -- as is theorized by many astronomers. Pluto, discovered in 1930 by Clyde Tombaugh, was found to be approximately at the mean AU distance where Bode's Law indicated a planet beyond Uranus. In addition, the unknown massive planet projected to exist in the Great Void correlates fairly well with the 77.2 AU distance that Bode's Law proposes for a planet beyond Pluto... The existence of the new unknown planet (which I have named Muriel), cannot be proved until it is located and verified by astronomers. I have given the name Bode to the planet that formerly orbited between Mars and Jupiter until it exploded billions of years ago and broke up into Asteroid Belt fragments.
(Excerpt) Read more at antonnews.com ...
The Original Solar SystemUsing a Titius-Bode law for planetary spacing in its simplest form (where each planet has double the period of the previous one), we infer the existence of twelve original major planets, of which half remain today. Two short-lived gas giant planets may be responsible for the "late heavy bombardment" episode in the early solar system, and for building up the mass of Jupiter... Evolution of the planets would typically proceed via tides and drag toward the maximum-stability Titius-Bode-Law configuration, wherein each planet has a circular, co-planar orbit with double the orbital period of the next planet in. Once that was achieved, further orbital evolution would cease. All the major features of the planetary system can apparently be derived from the process just outlined, although it is different in important ways from the standard solar nebula picture.
by Tom Van Flandern
Meta Research Bulletin, Vol. 6 p. 17
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I asked about Bode’s Law when they discovered Xena, was it?
The response was that the first few planets lined up with Bode’s Law was just due to a coincidence.
Definitely flakey. Mercury is actually a moon of Venus, our moon was captured from a planet between Earth and Mars, and Pluto is a moon of Neptune.
Long-Destroyed Fifth Planet May Have Caused Lunar Cataclysm,
SPACE dot COM | 18 March 2002 ,posted: 03:00 pm ET | By Leonard David, Senior Space Writer
Posted on 03/25/2002 5:42:10 PM EST by vannrox
Neptune Might Have Captured Triton
Space.com on Yahoo | 5/10/06 | Sara Goudarzi
Posted on 05/10/2006 3:31:09 PM EDT by NormsRevenge
Mass limit on Nemesis
Bull. Astr. Soc. India | after 10 February 2005 | Varun Bhalerao and M.N. Vahia
Posted on 08/04/2006 12:24:16 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
Giant Planets ‘Formed In Hundreds Of Years’
Ananova | 11-28-2002
Posted on 11/28/2002 7:41:17 PM EST by blam
Planet-Forming Disks Might Put the Brakes on Stars
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory | July 24, 2006 | Whitney Clavin
Posted on 07/31/2006 1:04:39 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
Fast-Spinning Star on Verge of Breaking Apart
space.com | 09/25/06 | Jeanna Bryner
Posted on 09/25/2006 10:10:05 PM EDT by KevinDavis
Astronomers poised to apply novel way to look for comets beyond Neptune
EurekAlert | 7-Jan-2003 | Anne Stark
Posted on 11/08/2005 1:41:04 AM EST by SunkenCiv
here’s a link to an old-style topic; the slowing of the deep-space probes was probably best explained as a consequence of a venting of something on the craft, I forget the details, please resort to a web search for more.
Since it hasn't been detected, it would have to be A) really dark, B) really far out (the gap would then be a consequence of something further out), C)really far out of the ecliptic, D) moving in retrograde, or E) no longer there.Planet XWhat this means is that a planet of Earth's mass could exist undetected if it were more than a few 100 AU away, and even a Jupiter (300 Earth mass planet) could exist at distances only slightly greater. The sun could have a companion brown dwarf or even a star if far enough away! It's a nice thought but it will be very tough to do anything about it unless we are lucky. The Pan STARRS telescope now under development in Hawaii will provide the best constraints in the forseeable future. Will we get lucky? Stay tuned to find out.
by David Jewitt
Great. Now even undocumented planets are trying to get into America.
They’re clearing gaps in the Kuiper Belt that Americans wouldn’t clear.
TVF’s holds the view that the “Face on Mars” is actually evidence for a former intelligent species there. It’s just an unremarkable natural formation. However, his view that Pluto is an escaped Moon of Neptune somewhat antedates his EPH, and he doesn’t think that the Moon is a captured former satellite of an exploded planet — his view is that the Moon was born of the Earth as a consequence of overspin as the heavier stuff sank to the core of the proto-Earth.
Look, just because you’ve never understood the power of the Dark Side...
oh, I forgot this link:
Robbing the Cradle of Civilization [Page 6; bin Laden and the Face on Mars]
Anomaly Hunters | last updated on 1/24/2003 | The Hero Twins
Posted on 08/03/2007 9:06:51 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
I think the name Algore would be more appropriate for this proposed planet:
A) It is presumed to be quite massive.
B) It belongs in the Great Void.
C) Given its distance from the Sun, it also is in desperate
need for Global Warming to be true.
Interplanetary hood ornaments don’t scare m-
:’) Or, FatLoudDoNothing — it’s synonymous with Algore.
Looks like we’re in more trouble than I thought.
77.2 AU? Let’s send Congress to investigate.
Nah, the debris is whats left of Alderaan ;)
Astronomers Discover Apparent Outer Edge To The Solar SystemOur solar system may have an outer "edge" just outside the orbit of Pluto, astronomers announced recently. Their results suggest that early in the history of the solar system, some event stripped away most of the planet-building material beyond 50 times Earth's distrance from the sun... It has long been thought that some comets must originate from a collection of small icy bodies orbiting beyond Neptune. These so-called "Kuiper Belt Objects" would be left over from the formation of the large planets 5 billion years ago. The Kuiper Belt Objects were purely hypothetical until 1992, when David Jewitt and Jane Luu of the University of Hawaii discovered the first one. Since that time, over 300 Kuiper Belt Objects have been discovered -but none of them are more than about 55 times as far from the sun as Earth, or 55 AU... Neptune is 30 AU from the sun, and Pluto ranges from between 30 to 50 AU... These observations, in 1998 and 1999, were sensitive enough to see a 160-kilometer (100-mile) Kuiper Belt Object to at least 65 AU.
October 30, 2000
University Of Arizona
Articles by G.Bernstein
David Jewitt’s (see msg 8) Kuiper Belt site:
Oh, look, some brainless jackass put “callingartbell” in the keywords.
The Search for Distant Objects in the Solar System Using Spacewatch
Astronomical Journal | volume 133 (2007) | Jeffrey A. Larsen et al
Posted on 03/12/2007 2:38:09 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
[note: that’s 77,000 topics since March! And Blam only did about 20,000 of ‘em]
The Dwarf Planets
by Mike Brown
2004TY364 38.72 540 2002KX14 39.01 560 2002XV93 39.22 430 2003VS2 39.27 610 1999TC36 39.27 440 2001QF298 39.30 490 Orcus
39.34 1100 2003AZ84 39.45 710 Pluto
39.65 980 Huya
39.76 480 2005RN43 41.53 740 1995SM55 41.64 470 2002MS4 41.90 740 2004SB60 41.97 560 2004GV9 42.23 680 2002UX25 42.53 810 Varuna
42.90 780 2002TX300 43.11 800
1996TO66 43.19 540 2003OP32 43.24 650 2003EL61 43.31 2000
43.58 1290 2003QW90 43.65 560 1999CD158 43.69 410 1997CS29 43.87 410 2000CN105 44.65 430 1998WH24 45.56 450 2005FY9 45.66 1600
2004PR107 45.75 520 2003MW12 45.94 740 2002CY248 46.18 410 2002KW14 47.08 510 2002AW197 47.30 940 2002WC19 47.67 410 2003QX113 49.56 450 2003FY128 49.77 430 2001UR163 51.40 620 2002TC302 55.02 710 1999DE9 55.72 490 2004XR190 57.36 540 2000YW134 57.77 430 Eris
2005RM43 89.73 560 Sedna
Well, I have been slouching off a bit lately. That happens in the summertime...
Well, he won’t have to worry about that beam frying his brain...
Well, and there were hurricanes and stuff to avoid...
What evidence do you have about Mercury being an escaped satellite of Venus, also the capture theory for the moon has been abandoned by most mainstream astronomers.
Yeah...'that's the ticket.'
But... but... it’s unknown!
So how does anybody know about it?
Shh! Keep it down!
I have 2 million dollars buried in my backyard!
But it’s unknown.
It’s so unknown, I don’t even know where it is!
If life were so simple...
I think cc was quoting that part about Mercury being an escaped satellite.
Mercury is about .06777572397 the mass of Venus.
The Moon is about .0123074347 the mass of the Earth.
capture origin of the Moon:
“Not anymore, Monty.”
I don’t believe it I was just citing the comments at the website. Our moon is made up of the same stuff as the earth in very similar quantities and that indicates that the moon has been with the earth almost from the beginning.
Rove, you magnificent Bastard!
Or did that end with the discovery of Neptune?
Even from a Macroevolutionist viewpoint, Mercury probably isn’t a moon of Venus. It orbits the Sun normally and is in the same general plane as the rest of the non-dwarf planets (there are eight full planets in the Solar System). Also, it has a comparatively large core suggesting that it could have been larger at one time.
Xena was an acceptable name, but they went with Eris.
Shouldn’t Ceres be in the list?
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