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An Unknown Planet Orbits in the Outer Solar System
Great Neck Record (Anton Community Newspapers) ^ | April 13, 2007 | Julian Kane

Posted on 08/05/2007 6:22:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A theory is hereby proposed that an unknown mega-massive planet has, for billions of years, been orbiting at 77.2 AU from the sun -- within a 44 AU-wide, virtually empty Great Void that surrounds the Kuiper Belt (One AU = 93 million miles, the mean Earth-Sun distance). The Void is postulated to have been formed by strong gravitational attraction of the unknown planet having removed all CKBOs (Classical Kuiper Belt Objects) that had existed previously in the vicinity of the massive planet's huge orbit... The 77.2 AU distance from the sun of the proposed unknown planet is derived from a formula and numerical progression conceived by Johann Titius in 1766 and first published by Johann Bode in 1772... Neptune not matching any Bode's Law projected position could be due to that planet having shifted its original orbit from a different position to its present one -- as is theorized by many astronomers. Pluto, discovered in 1930 by Clyde Tombaugh, was found to be approximately at the mean AU distance where Bode's Law indicated a planet beyond Uranus. In addition, the unknown massive planet projected to exist in the Great Void correlates fairly well with the 77.2 AU distance that Bode's Law proposes for a planet beyond Pluto... The existence of the new unknown planet (which I have named Muriel), cannot be proved until it is located and verified by astronomers. I have given the name Bode to the planet that formerly orbited between Mars and Jupiter until it exploded billions of years ago and broke up into Asteroid Belt fragments.

(Excerpt) Read more at antonnews.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: bode; bodeslaw; callingartbell; catastrophism; ckbo; clydetombaugh; davidraup; greatvoid; johannbode; johanntitius; johnmatese; juliankane; jupiter; kbo; kuiperbeltobject; mars; muriel; nemesis; neptune; planetx; pluto; titiusbodelaw; titiusbodeslaw; tvf; uranus; xplanets
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The Original Solar System
by Tom Van Flandern
Meta Research Bulletin, Vol. 6 p. 17
Using a Titius-Bode law for planetary spacing in its simplest form (where each planet has double the period of the previous one), we infer the existence of twelve original major planets, of which half remain today. Two short-lived gas giant planets may be responsible for the "late heavy bombardment" episode in the early solar system, and for building up the mass of Jupiter... Evolution of the planets would typically proceed via tides and drag toward the maximum-stability Titius-Bode-Law configuration, wherein each planet has a circular, co-planar orbit with double the orbital period of the next planet in. Once that was achieved, further orbital evolution would cease. All the major features of the planetary system can apparently be derived from the process just outlined, although it is different in important ways from the standard solar nebula picture.

1 posted on 08/05/2007 6:22:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: KevinDavis; annie laurie; garbageseeker; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
I saw a tinyurl link to this story in an article in Nexus magazine, this evening at the bookstore. That mag is flakier than I remembered. Anyway, here 't'is.
 
X-Planets
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2 posted on 08/05/2007 6:40:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I asked about Bode’s Law when they discovered Xena, was it?
The response was that the first few planets lined up with Bode’s Law was just due to a coincidence.


3 posted on 08/05/2007 6:43:24 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: SunkenCiv

Bush’s fault.


4 posted on 08/05/2007 6:45:00 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Being on the right is cool.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Definitely flakey. Mercury is actually a moon of Venus, our moon was captured from a planet between Earth and Mars, and Pluto is a moon of Neptune.


5 posted on 08/05/2007 6:52:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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Long-Destroyed Fifth Planet May Have Caused Lunar Cataclysm,
Researchers Say
SPACE dot COM | 18 March 2002 ,posted: 03:00 pm ET | By Leonard David, Senior Space Writer
Posted on 03/25/2002 5:42:10 PM EST by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/653287/posts

Neptune Might Have Captured Triton
Space.com on Yahoo | 5/10/06 | Sara Goudarzi
Posted on 05/10/2006 3:31:09 PM EDT by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1630007/posts

Mass limit on Nemesis
Bull. Astr. Soc. India | after 10 February 2005 | Varun Bhalerao and M.N. Vahia
Posted on 08/04/2006 12:24:16 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1677507/posts

Giant Planets ‘Formed In Hundreds Of Years’
Ananova | 11-28-2002
Posted on 11/28/2002 7:41:17 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/797641/posts

Planet-Forming Disks Might Put the Brakes on Stars
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory | July 24, 2006 | Whitney Clavin
Posted on 07/31/2006 1:04:39 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1674914/posts

Fast-Spinning Star on Verge of Breaking Apart
space.com | 09/25/06 | Jeanna Bryner
Posted on 09/25/2006 10:10:05 PM EDT by KevinDavis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1708275/posts

Astronomers poised to apply novel way to look for comets beyond Neptune
EurekAlert | 7-Jan-2003 | Anne Stark
Posted on 11/08/2005 1:41:04 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1517866/posts

here’s a link to an old-style topic; the slowing of the deep-space probes was probably best explained as a consequence of a venting of something on the craft, I forget the details, please resort to a web search for more.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b038c692f17.htm


6 posted on 08/05/2007 6:56:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ThomasThomas

:’)


7 posted on 08/05/2007 6:57:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: scrabblehack
That may have been me, but in any case, that is my view. :') If the planetary masses were uniformly smaller (or larger) the farther out one went, then there could be some kind of stable and uniform distribution (1,2,3,4, or 1,2,4,8, or whatever) of the planets. But there isn't. The so-called Kuiper Cliff is viewed as suggestive of such a planet as JK writes about. However, his 77+ AU primordial world seems a bit unlikely:
Planet X
by David Jewitt
What this means is that a planet of Earth's mass could exist undetected if it were more than a few 100 AU away, and even a Jupiter (300 Earth mass planet) could exist at distances only slightly greater. The sun could have a companion brown dwarf or even a star if far enough away! It's a nice thought but it will be very tough to do anything about it unless we are lucky. The Pan STARRS telescope now under development in Hawaii will provide the best constraints in the forseeable future. Will we get lucky? Stay tuned to find out.
Since it hasn't been detected, it would have to be A) really dark, B) really far out (the gap would then be a consequence of something further out), C)really far out of the ecliptic, D) moving in retrograde, or E) no longer there.

John B. Murray and John Matese were on record in 1999 (and Matese at least ever since) as saying there is a large undiscovered trans-Neptunian body. The X-Planets keyword and blog topic have much more about all these.
8 posted on 08/05/2007 7:08:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Great. Now even undocumented planets are trying to get into America.


9 posted on 08/05/2007 7:08:08 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Texas Eagle

They’re clearing gaps in the Kuiper Belt that Americans wouldn’t clear.


10 posted on 08/05/2007 7:08:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Touche’.


11 posted on 08/05/2007 7:13:09 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: SunkenCiv

12 posted on 08/05/2007 7:19:31 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: SunkenCiv
Maybe the debris is whats left of this?
13 posted on 08/05/2007 7:23:44 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: cripplecreek

TVF’s holds the view that the “Face on Mars” is actually evidence for a former intelligent species there. It’s just an unremarkable natural formation. However, his view that Pluto is an escaped Moon of Neptune somewhat antedates his EPH, and he doesn’t think that the Moon is a captured former satellite of an exploded planet — his view is that the Moon was born of the Earth as a consequence of overspin as the heavier stuff sank to the core of the proto-Earth.


14 posted on 08/05/2007 7:26:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Eye of Unk

Look, just because you’ve never understood the power of the Dark Side...


15 posted on 08/05/2007 7:28:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cripplecreek

oh, I forgot this link:

Robbing the Cradle of Civilization [Page 6; bin Laden and the Face on Mars]
Anomaly Hunters | last updated on 1/24/2003 | The Hero Twins
Posted on 08/03/2007 9:06:51 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1876123/posts


16 posted on 08/05/2007 7:28:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kolob?


17 posted on 08/05/2007 7:35:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think the name Algore would be more appropriate for this proposed planet:

A) It is presumed to be quite massive.
B) It belongs in the Great Void.
C) Given its distance from the Sun, it also is in desperate
need for Global Warming to be true.


18 posted on 08/05/2007 7:36:20 PM PDT by mikrofon (Bode's well, no?)
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To: wallcrawlr

Interplanetary hood ornaments don’t scare m-

[blasting noise]


19 posted on 08/05/2007 7:49:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

20 posted on 08/05/2007 7:51:11 PM PDT by DaGman (`)
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To: MHGinTN

Beulahland.


21 posted on 08/05/2007 8:00:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mikrofon

:’) Or, FatLoudDoNothing — it’s synonymous with Algore.


22 posted on 08/05/2007 8:03:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DaGman

Looks like we’re in more trouble than I thought.


23 posted on 08/05/2007 8:04:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

77.2 AU? Let’s send Congress to investigate.


24 posted on 08/05/2007 8:18:43 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: mikrofon

LOLz!


25 posted on 08/05/2007 8:19:16 PM PDT by MonicaG (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: Eye of Unk

Nah, the debris is whats left of Alderaan ;)


26 posted on 08/05/2007 8:33:49 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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Astronomers Discover Apparent Outer Edge To The Solar System
Science Daily
October 30, 2000
University Of Arizona

Articles by G.Bernstein
Our solar system may have an outer "edge" just outside the orbit of Pluto, astronomers announced recently. Their results suggest that early in the history of the solar system, some event stripped away most of the planet-building material beyond 50 times Earth's distrance from the sun... It has long been thought that some comets must originate from a collection of small icy bodies orbiting beyond Neptune. These so-called "Kuiper Belt Objects" would be left over from the formation of the large planets 5 billion years ago. The Kuiper Belt Objects were purely hypothetical until 1992, when David Jewitt and Jane Luu of the University of Hawaii discovered the first one. Since that time, over 300 Kuiper Belt Objects have been discovered -but none of them are more than about 55 times as far from the sun as Earth, or 55 AU... Neptune is 30 AU from the sun, and Pluto ranges from between 30 to 50 AU... These observations, in 1998 and 1999, were sensitive enough to see a 160-kilometer (100-mile) Kuiper Belt Object to at least 65 AU.
Evidence Of The Explosion Of A Planet In The Solar System A Few Millions Years Ago
by Tom Van Flandern
Examination of well-determined orbits of 'new' comets shows that these apparently had a common origin in the present location of the asteroid belt about 3.2 million years ago. That would indicate the explosive breakup of a larger parent body. Tests of that hypothesis versus an 'Oort cloud' origin strongly favour the former. Additional supporting evidence includes 'explosion signatures' in asteroid orbital elements, indicating that asteroids had a similar origin; meteorites with anomalously young cosmic ray exposure ages, also showing evidence of shock and rapid heating to the point of partial melting; dark, carbonaceous material deposited on surfaces all over the solar system in a pattern consistent with a single blast wave spreading through the system; and companions or satellites of both asteroids and comets, suggested by recent findings to be abundant, that are difficult to explain other than by means of an explosion. One such exploded parent body was apparently in the immediate vicinity of Mars when it blew up, suggesting that Mars was originally its moon. Evidence for this includes an inner asteroid belt of predominantly S-type ('silicaceous') asteroids; a massive hemispheric crustal dichotomy on Mars; evidence of a major, sudden geographic pole shift; loss of a former thick atmosphere; and excess Xe-129, a massive explosion by-product. The totality of astronomical evidence, when combined with geological evidence, suggests that planetary explosions are a significant under-appreciated factor that helped shape solar system history.

27 posted on 08/05/2007 8:37:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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David Jewitt’s (see msg 8) Kuiper Belt site:

http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/faculty/jewitt/kb.html


28 posted on 08/05/2007 8:42:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Oh, look, some brainless jackass put “callingartbell” in the keywords.


29 posted on 08/05/2007 8:45:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Courtesy of Johns Hopkins University

Sol Company Edgeworth-Kuiper Belt and Dust Disk

30 posted on 08/05/2007 8:46:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Texas Eagle

That tickles.


31 posted on 08/05/2007 8:52:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

The Search for Distant Objects in the Solar System Using Spacewatch
Astronomical Journal | volume 133 (2007) | Jeffrey A. Larsen et al
Posted on 03/12/2007 2:38:09 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1799615/posts

[note: that’s 77,000 topics since March! And Blam only did about 20,000 of ‘em]


32 posted on 08/05/2007 8:54:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Mike Brown, discoverer or codiscoverer of 15 dwarf planets (as defined by the IAU), has a fairly new page about the so-called dwarf planets, and at least two known ones have orbits which cross that of the "Muriel" x-planet proposed by Julian Kane (not necessarily in the same plane).
The Dwarf Planets
by Mike Brown
Caltech
name
average
distance
from sun
(semimajor
axis, AU)
estimated size
(km)
2004TY364 38.72 540
2002KX14 39.01 560
2002XV93 39.22 430
2003VS2 39.27 610
1999TC36 39.27 440
2001QF298 39.30 490
Orcus
39.34 1100
2003AZ84 39.45 710
Pluto
39.53
2300
Ixion
39.65 980
Huya
39.76 480
2005RN43 41.53 740
1995SM55 41.64 470
2002MS4 41.90 740
2004SB60 41.97 560
2004GV9 42.23 680
2002UX25 42.53 810
Varuna
42.90 780
2002TX300 43.11 800
1996TO66 43.19 540
2003OP32 43.24 650
2003EL61 43.31 2000
Quaoar
43.58 1290
2003QW90 43.65 560
1999CD158 43.69 410
1997CS29 43.87 410
2000CN105 44.65 430
1998WH24 45.56 450
2005FY9 45.66 1600
2004PR107 45.75 520
2003MW12 45.94 740
2002CY248 46.18 410
2002KW14 47.08 510
2002AW197 47.30 940
2002WC19 47.67 410
2003QX113 49.56 450
2003FY128 49.77 430
2001UR163 51.40 620
2002TC302 55.02 710
1999DE9 55.72 490
2004XR190 57.36 540
2000YW134 57.77 430
Eris
67.69 2400
2005RM43 89.73 560
Sedna
486.0 1800

33 posted on 08/05/2007 9:11:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"[note: that’s 77,000 topics since March! And Blam only did about 20,000 of ‘em]"

Well, I have been slouching off a bit lately. That happens in the summertime...

34 posted on 08/05/2007 9:11:23 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Eye of Unk; SunkenCiv
It's Jimmuh Carter's worst nightmare.


35 posted on 08/05/2007 9:51:32 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: uglybiker

Well, he won’t have to worry about that beam frying his brain...


36 posted on 08/05/2007 9:58:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Well, and there were hurricanes and stuff to avoid...


37 posted on 08/05/2007 9:59:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cripplecreek

What evidence do you have about Mercury being an escaped satellite of Venus, also the capture theory for the moon has been abandoned by most mainstream astronomers.


38 posted on 08/05/2007 10:06:59 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: SunkenCiv
"Well, and there were hurricanes and stuff to avoid..."

Yeah...'that's the ticket.'

39 posted on 08/05/2007 10:41:56 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: SunkenCiv

But... but... it’s unknown!

So how does anybody know about it?


40 posted on 08/05/2007 10:43:48 PM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: djf

Shh! Keep it down!


41 posted on 08/05/2007 10:45:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have 2 million dollars buried in my backyard!

But it’s unknown.
It’s so unknown, I don’t even know where it is!

If life were so simple...

;-)


42 posted on 08/05/2007 10:51:42 PM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: LukeL; cripplecreek

I think cc was quoting that part about Mercury being an escaped satellite.

Sidebar:

http://www.nineplanets.org/venus.html
4.869e24 kg

http://www.nineplanets.org/mercury.html
3.30e23 kg

Mercury is about .06777572397 the mass of Venus.

http://www.nineplanets.org/earth.html
5.972e24 kg
7.35e22 kg

The Moon is about .0123074347 the mass of the Earth.

capture origin of the Moon:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1234919/posts


43 posted on 08/05/2007 10:55:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: djf

“Not anymore, Monty.”


44 posted on 08/05/2007 10:58:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 6, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LukeL

I don’t believe it I was just citing the comments at the website. Our moon is made up of the same stuff as the earth in very similar quantities and that indicates that the moon has been with the earth almost from the beginning.


45 posted on 08/06/2007 6:12:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Rove, you magnificent Bastard!


46 posted on 08/06/2007 7:01:32 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will. - Ben Stein)
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To: SunkenCiv
Isn't this idea old, and a theory for why Uranus (the planet) is 'sideways?'

Or did that end with the discovery of Neptune?

47 posted on 08/06/2007 4:48:44 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: cripplecreek

Even from a Macroevolutionist viewpoint, Mercury probably isn’t a moon of Venus. It orbits the Sun normally and is in the same general plane as the rest of the non-dwarf planets (there are eight full planets in the Solar System). Also, it has a comparatively large core suggesting that it could have been larger at one time.


48 posted on 08/06/2007 4:51:41 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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They should name planets after non-pagan deities.

Xena was an acceptable name, but they went with Eris.

49 posted on 08/06/2007 4:54:51 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Shouldn’t Ceres be in the list?


50 posted on 08/06/2007 5:03:02 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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