Posted on 02/18/2009 8:16:22 PM PST by goose the rio
You all were so helpful with a question on seeds the other day that I have another one for you. Preparing for the most basic needs of a SHTF scenario, I have a wonderful shotgun and .22. As far as adding a high power rifle goes, I know what I'd LIKE to have but that's another story. Is there a consensus on a quality-made, affordable rifle, and what should I expect to pay? Would it be a bad idea to buy from a pawn shop?
For those of you who seem to like to "notice" these things, yes, it's my second post ever on FR. Doesn't make me evil. Thanks.
>>>>Then why are you reading this thread?
Because I am highly qualified and experienced to speak on the question the poster asked! Why else would anyone post?
Very nice!
At least one company makes a .30 Carbine revolver that makes a nice companion piece, though high on the muzzle flash. Better than a bayonet!
That would be Ruger...and yes, they are neat little weapons and having a long arm and sidearm that chew the same food would be nice. I wish H&K would make a semi-auto, civilian carbine version of the 10mm MP5 they made for the FBI a few years back. I'm a big fan of that round and it's a shame the .40S&W won the popularity war...although I hold Clinton responsible for that.
I've got a couple of the Ishapore Enfields in .308 and recommend them highly. If you can still find them for a reasonable price (under $200 or so) I'd say grab 'em while you can.
Mine are exceptional shooters.
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The Hi_point is a cheap gun that is a carbine so it is like a pistol rfile hybrid. The company has a lifetime warranty. It is cheap but a variety of gun tests have said it is suprisingly good even when tested side by side with more expensive guns. You can find the reviews on the internet by doing searches.
Ban women's swimsuits, let them swim as nature intended...BARE Nekid!
H&R Buffalo Classic, 45-70
About 400 and will drop an elephant on shot one.
Lee Precision ‘classic Lader, about 25.00 to reload.
Superb rifle, break open action (noting to clean) single shot, doesn’t ever malfunction. A real working rifle.
Good out to 1,000 yards.
I wholeheartedly agree with those who recommend m91/30 Mosin-Nagants (pronounced “mah-seen nah-gahnt” not “na-GANT”). I have 2, and got them cheap. One of them I shoot about every 2 weeks. It is going to bring some deer meat home this fall. I can keep all of the shots in the black at 50 yds (fine for deer in the Eastern woods), and hold about a 4” pattern (4MOA) at 100 yds.
The Finnish Nagant is the best, but expensive. If you’re looking at the Russian ones, the years of 1939-1942 are supposed to be the most accurate, but mine is a 1944, and is just fine.
Mil Surplus ammo is cheap, but you can buy some Barnaul or Wolf ammo, and then reload it with .311 hollow-point boattail bullets from Hornady or Sierra. The Barnaul and Wolf use the easily-obtainable boxer primers, instead of the harder-to-reload and corrosive Berdan primers you find on the surplus stuff. (And by the way—you CAN reload that surplus Berdan-primed stuff; it just takes special tools. RCBS makes everything you need, and you can buy it from Cabella’s or MidwayUSA).
Going further up the price scale, the Swiss Karabiner K31 is a great rifle. The ammo is kind of expensive unless you’re willing to reload, though. A nice K31 is probably my next purchase.
I like my 9mm pistol. Not pretty, but I don't buy guns for being pretty. Lifetime warranty. Can't beat the price. Made in America.
Agreed. 7.62 X 54R- You can buy it fairly cheap. It’s gone up a bit since Bambi grabbed the throne, but you can still get it at a reasonable price. I like the carbine, but the long gun is fine also.
I have a Savage 22-250 with 8-24x50 mildot. Fifty-five grain Hornady V-Max at 3700 fps.
I can have any gun I want, which comes within 400 Yards. I second Savage for cost effective accuracy.
There are several types of federal firearms licenses. A collector’s ffl (type 03) is not for selling but enables acquisition of arms made prior to 1959 including the Mosin-Nagant rifle in the advertisement as well as its many variants. The collectors ffl is for collecting curiosity and relic arms and so is named the Collector of Curio and Relics ffl. There are ffl’s for manufacturers, commercial sellers, and pawn shops, too.
A Friend of mine did the following to get a decent AR variant on the Installment plan.
First: Get yourself a stripped AR lower receiver – there are a number of vendors out there for these on the web, gun shows and retail establishments. This is really the only part of the hardware that requires the paperwork. I can't speak for everywhere so you'll have to research the requirements in your location.
The majority of other parts can be purchased over time without a paper trail in a lot of cases. You'll have to hunt around at gun shows and retail stores to gather the rest of the components and need some mechanical skills to put it together but you assemble exactly what you want.
It's sort of like the Johnny Cash song “One piece at a time” - unfortunately it will cost a lot more than a dime. But the costs can be spread out over time as you acquire each piece.
Obviously a typo, but hey, that figure doesn't raise the blood pressure of the gun grabbers.
I would say the practical rate of fire depends on the speed and state of practice of the operator.
If you couldn’t get a bead on an elephant, I’d say you need more range-time...
“Are they still around? I got my Garand from them back in 1989 for $165. Know how they sent it to me? U.S. Mail. Only Uncle Sam can ignore his own laws.
See: http://www.odcmp.com/about_us.htm
That was a good investment in 1989 and is undoubtedly an even a better one today.
It appears they have switched to FedEx; may have had some problems with those long, somewhat obvious packages.
Have a couple of very accurate 03’s and would try to not leave home without them, but in goose’s SHTF scenario a bolt action would not be my first long gun grab.
Can't wait to see your next one. ;O)
Agreed. I'd be hauling my M1A Supermatch to the party with all 2,000 rds of the Federal Gold 168grBTHP Match ammo I have and the dozen or so 20rd mags, along with my sidearm and the five loaded mags I keep handy for that. That's my grab. The wife grabs the CAR15, mags and ammo and her sidearm. If we have time for more than one trip to the safe room, I get the rest.
ping for later
The Garand took 30-06 I thought. Is the ammo for the M-1 common or atypical?
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