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VIDEO: Scientists hail stunning fossil
.bbc ^ | Tuesday, 19 May 2009 | Christine McGourty

Posted on 05/19/2009 2:29:11 PM PDT by JoeProBono

The beautifully preserved remains of a 47-million-year-old, lemur-like creature have been unveiled in the US. The preservation is so good, it is possible to see the outline of its fur and even traces of its last meal. The fossil, nicknamed Ida, is claimed to be a "missing link" between today's higher primates - monkeys, apes and humans - and more distant relatives. But some independent experts, awaiting an opportunity to see the new fossil, are sceptical of the claim. And they have been critical of the hype surrounding the presentation of Ida. The fossil was launched amid great fanfare at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, by the city's mayor.

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TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: afradapis; archaeology; darwiniusmasillae; evolution; fossil; godsgravesglyphs; ida; longicristatus; lotsofifs; missinglink; science

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1 posted on 05/19/2009 2:29:12 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

ping for home


2 posted on 05/19/2009 2:34:43 PM PDT by unkus
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To: JoeProBono

Chupacabra


3 posted on 05/19/2009 2:37:34 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: JoeProBono

It looks like an H.R. Geiger painting.


4 posted on 05/19/2009 2:38:05 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: JoeProBono

It’s about time they found one of them critters! Ya never know, could involve fraud.


5 posted on 05/19/2009 2:38:23 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT

PAID for by which media? I’m not buying...been fooled so often by Java Man, Nebraska man....science in these dept’s is SO politically motivated... I think we need to let the jury listen to a hard case of defense attorney, before the skeptics.


6 posted on 05/19/2009 2:42:22 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Shermy

Chupacabra
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LOL


7 posted on 05/19/2009 2:42:56 PM PDT by unkus
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To: JoeProBono
"The beautifully preserved remains of a 47-million-year-old, lemur-like creature have been unveiled in the US. The preservation is so good, it is possible to see the outline of its fur and even traces of its last meal.The fossil, nicknamed Ida, is claimed to be a "missing link" between today's higher primates - monkeys, apes and humans - and more distant relatives."

An interesting post, but I'd be inclined to name a fossil who looked like a lemur Nancy.


8 posted on 05/19/2009 2:48:01 PM PDT by VR-21 (The election of Barack Obama was a hate crime.)
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To: JoeProBono
In addition, Ida bears "a close resemblance to ourselves" he said, with nails instead of claws, a grasping hand and an opposable thumb - like humans and some other primates. But he said some aspects of the teeth indicate she is not a direct ancestor - more of an "aunt" than a "grandmother".

Bull excrement! 'She' does not have opposable thumbs...she has opposable toes! Just like modern appes. What a load of crap.

9 posted on 05/19/2009 2:49:39 PM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: unkus

I’m glad they found a well preserved cousin of ours. But are there not many “missing links” between the species? Would the “missing link” more properly be that which sets us apart from all the other primates? In the user’s manual it says that the “image and likeness of God” is that distinguishing difference. If you look around at our world with open eyes, you see that the ability to know (the image of God) and the ability to love (the likeness of God) are what completely characterize man and set him apart from all of his wonderful neighbors. It’s all right there in the user’s manual. I do hope Adam will forgive those who deny his paternity. I am sure Adam enjoyed the company and intelligence of his primate cousins. However, without the gift of reason, they remained monkeys.


10 posted on 05/19/2009 2:50:37 PM PDT by blackpacific
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To: JoeProBono

Very interesting


11 posted on 05/19/2009 2:51:04 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: JoeProBono

Evolutionists are laughably desperate.


12 posted on 05/19/2009 2:53:40 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: pgkdan

hmmm. Apes’ thumbs are really toes? I’d like to hear more about the philosophy of thumbs. please.


13 posted on 05/19/2009 2:56:41 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: JoeProBono
I have lived long enough to be skeptical of such hyperbole. I cannot begin to count the number of times scientist have found the missing link only to be proven false. Anyone that believes that scientists are objective observers have never been around any scientists.
14 posted on 05/19/2009 2:58:40 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: blackpacific

Extremely well said. Thank you blackpacific.


15 posted on 05/19/2009 3:00:58 PM PDT by unkus
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To: blackpacific

black,
this would be the first of its kind, so that is why it is ‘missing’. 47M was so long ago, the fossil record is poor.

it would be the link between lemurs and primates. Only exciting for those who are into the lemur thing.


16 posted on 05/19/2009 3:01:17 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: JoeProBono

It may well be Obama’s missing link, but it sure aint’ mine.


17 posted on 05/19/2009 3:12:39 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: TheWasteLand
Yup or:

robert-conett


18 posted on 05/19/2009 3:14:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Nosterrex

This little critter is tiny. The real beauty of the find is the intricacy of the details. It reveals what scientists view as a link between Lemur and Ape. How that qualifies as a link between Ape and Homonid/Human is...well...completely unapparent. Unless, of course, one buys into the ASSUMPTION of a link between Lemurs and Humans. Then, it fits in nicely. Wow! Another missing link! Why are they always 40 to 50 million years old?


19 posted on 05/19/2009 3:31:17 PM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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downtown, it sure is exciting and it is a missing link. But you are correct that it really has nothing to do with human origins, per se. It’s the lemur thing, ya know?


20 posted on 05/19/2009 3:44:37 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: JoeProBono

The History Channel is running promotions for a program they will air on May 25th. The “teasers” in these advertisements sound like it could be this same fossil. I look at the picture and see the Geico lizard!


21 posted on 05/19/2009 4:43:29 PM PDT by Knute
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22 posted on 05/19/2009 9:09:04 PM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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23 posted on 05/20/2009 7:46:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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New fossil reveals primates lingered in Texas
EurekAlert! | October 13, 2008 | Chris Kirk, University of Texas at Austin
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24 posted on 05/20/2009 7:47:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Little teeth suggest big jump in primate timeline
PhysOrg | Monday, August 4, 2008 | Duke University
Posted on 08/07/2008 10:27:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Ancient Anthropoid Origins Discovered In Africa
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25 posted on 05/20/2009 7:52:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Tiny Fossil Animal
May Link Lower Primates
With Humans

by John Noble Wilford
March 16, 2000
Fossil bones of an animal no bigger than a shrew and weighing less than an ounce have been identified as belonging to the earliest known relative in the primate lineage that led to monkeys, apes and humans. The wee animal lived 45 million years ago in a humid rain forest in what is now China... The paleontologists who announced the discovery yesterday said the fossil animals, named Eosimias for "dawn monkey," were the best evidence yet for fixing the time and place of one of the more fateful branchings in evolution. Eosimias appeared to be a transitional figure when lower primates, known as prosimians, went their separate way, developing into today's lemurs, lorises, bush babies and tarsiers, while the diverging higher primates, anthropoids, evolved into more prepossessing creatures, eventually including human beings... scatterings of fossils point to the earliest primates of any kind appearing about 55 million years ago, mainly in Asia. But when the two lines of primates diverged had seemed to be lost in the wide gaps in the fossil record... This was further evidence that, although the more immediate human forebears arose in Africa, their earliest primate ancestors appeared to come from Asia. Somehow primates then migrated to Africa. Dr. MacPhee said the Euroasian origin of primates was now generally accepted by scientists, "thanks in part to Beard's work," but "why that should be is itself controversial now."

26 posted on 05/20/2009 7:52:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Shermy

maybe.


27 posted on 05/20/2009 7:57:59 PM PDT by Perdogg
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yet another cr/evo topic:
28 posted on 05/20/2009 9:13:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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corrected: from the cr/evo "debate":
29 posted on 05/20/2009 9:14:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: JoeProBono

Grandpa!


30 posted on 05/21/2009 8:40:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping. It is a beautiful specimen, for sure. Still, this seems like an awful lot of hype for one specimen. Lots we still don’t know about that far back in time.


31 posted on 05/21/2009 11:45:02 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: colorado tanker; SunkenCiv

I watched this on History last night. Their analysis was that the fossil was a transitional link between lemurs and monkeys. This was based on the absence of two lemur-like characteristics (grooming claw and tooth comb) but the presence of grasping 1st toes on front and back paws, finger/toe nails, and large orbits.

It was a very well preserved and intact fossil, 95% complete skeleton, but flattened. Much of what they based their conclusions on was computer reconstruction, which as we know can be used to make Tom Hanks appear to be receiving the Medal Of Honor from LBJ, or a boy wizard flying on a broom.


32 posted on 05/26/2009 12:03:52 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Life's not fair, people are mean. Get over it.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Wow, that means that boy wasn’t really flying on a broom?!? ;’) Thanks CJ.


33 posted on 05/26/2009 3:04:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: colorado tanker

It’s a story with a short shelf life, and its movers and shakers want to maximize attention and interest.


34 posted on 05/26/2009 3:05:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: CholeraJoe
It was a very well preserved and intact fossil, 95% complete skeleton, but flattened. Much of what they based their conclusions on was computer reconstruction, which as we know can be used to make Tom Hanks appear to be receiving the Medal Of Honor from LBJ, or a boy wizard flying on a broom.

They do seem to be extrapolating a lot from not much evidence.

Still, it's an amazingly intact and well preserved fossil, really a beauty.

35 posted on 05/29/2009 4:54:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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