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Ancient Tree (Almost) Older Than Dirt [ 5,000 to 30,000 years old ]
Discovery ^ | Wednesday, December 23, 2009 | Michael Reilly

Posted on 12/23/2009 6:46:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The entire grove of trunks is in fact one plant, a newly discovered Palmer's oak (Quercus palmeri) that researchers estimate is over 13,000 years old, making it one of the oldest plants on Earth... none of its 70 stems get more than a few feet tall, and it grows in a boulder pile that doubles as shelter from the area's buffeting winds. At first glance, the scientists thought it was an isolated grove of trees, but something didn't add up: None of them produced fertile acorns, so the plants couldn't reproduce... Genetic analysis confirmed their suspicion. Each of the 70 stems are genetically identical; they are the same plant, currently growing in an oval 25 yards long and 8 yards wide... Scientists estimate an Aspen stand in Utah, called Pando, may be tens of thousands of years old, though estimates vary widely. And a creosote bush growing in the Mojave Desert -- dubbed King Clone -- has been reliably dated at nearly 12,000 years old using carbon isotopes... The team estimated that the newly discovered oak, which they named the Jurupa Oak after the mountains in which it grows, started from a central trunk and grew outward at a rate of one-twentieth of an inch each year, relying on fire to burn down stems and trigger the plant to send out new sprouts... But any trace of ancient wood has been lost to termites, so they team is left with a guess. It could be anywhere from 5,000 to 30,000 years old, Ross-Ibarra said, dating to a time when the Jurupa Mountains were cooler and wetter, and Palmer's oaks were prevalent.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: california; creation; dendrochronology; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; oak; palmersoak; quercuspalmeri; treeringcircus; trees
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To: mikrofon

hahaha...struck me funny


21 posted on 12/23/2009 10:45:01 PM PST by americanophile (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Pelham

...hardly a question at all.


22 posted on 12/23/2009 10:47:05 PM PST by americanophile (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Pelham
James Ussher calculated that we are around 6,000 years old. The question is whether Bishop Ussher could go wrong.

As the Bishop was an official in a church that persecuted some of my ancestors, I've never been inclined to take his writings as holy scripture.

23 posted on 12/28/2009 12:59:18 PM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: SunkenCiv
This is in Riverside County. The Jurupa Mountains are more like hills.
24 posted on 12/28/2009 1:06:41 PM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: colorado tanker

I think Taco Bell had something to do with the Jurupa mtns, but my memory is clouded by fatigue.


25 posted on 12/28/2009 6:47:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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