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Pictures: New Human Ancestor Fossils Found
nationalgeographic ^ | April 8, 2010

Posted on 04/09/2010 2:38:53 PM PDT by JoeProBono

Remarkably well preserved for a two-million-year-old fossil, this child's skull belongs to Australopithecus sediba, a previously unknown species of ape-like creature that may have been a direct ancestor of modern humans, according to a new study in Science.

Scientists think this particular Australopithecus sediba fossil is from a male between 8 and 13 years old. The child's fossils were found in the remnants of a subterranean South African cave system alongside the fossil remains of an adult female in her 30s.

"It's the opinion of my colleagues and I that [A. sediba] may very well be the Rosetta stone that unlocks our understanding of the genus Homo," the biological group that includes humans, study leader Lee Berger, of the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, said in a statement, referring to the artifact that helped decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

A. sediba could help anthropologists understand, to a greater degree than any human-ancestor species discovered so far, the transition from late australopithecines—the apelike group of species that came before the first Homo species—to the first direct ancestors of humans, Berger added.


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: ancestor; asediba; australopithecus; fossil; fossils; godsgravesglyphs; jpb; leeberger; sediba

Australopithecus Sediba Child's Fossil

Human-Like Face for A. Sediba?

A frontal view of the A. sediba child skull suggests the new human-ancestor species had some surprisingly human-like features. It's face, for example, is flatter than other known australopithecines. Also, A. sediba had small teeth and a surprisingly human-like, as opposed to chimpanzee-like, nose.

Australopithecus Sediba's World

A. sediba lived in a patchwork of grasslands and woods in what's now South Africa. The generally flat landscape was broken up by small hills and cliffs, some of which contained caves like the one pictured above, which is close to the fossil-discovery site.


1 posted on 04/09/2010 2:38:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono
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2 posted on 04/09/2010 2:40:40 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

I don’t get it, what’s your point?


3 posted on 04/09/2010 2:42:07 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: martin_fierro

Now we know why Goofy walks erect and talks while Pluto is just a dog!


4 posted on 04/09/2010 2:42:43 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Think globally, act locally--beat up your neighborhood hippie communist.)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL! You guys crack me up!


5 posted on 04/09/2010 2:43:41 PM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: JoeProBono

Tell them to hold the presses on spreading the word. The fossils look like modern day Democrats to me.


6 posted on 04/09/2010 2:46:40 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: JoeProBono

How many times have we heard this same song before?


7 posted on 04/09/2010 2:49:17 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: JoeProBono

Needs braces...


8 posted on 04/09/2010 2:51:14 PM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: r9etb

9 posted on 04/09/2010 2:51:40 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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10 posted on 04/09/2010 2:56:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Pictures: New Human Ancestor Fossils of Obummer Found in Kenya
nationalgeographic ^ | April 8, 2010

Posted on 4/9/10 2:38:53 PM by JoeProBono

A remarkably well preserved empty brain case for a two-million-year-old fossil, this megalomaniac skull belongs to Obummeraca comunistata seditionata, a previously unknown species of ape-like creature that may have been a direct ancestor of modern despots, according to a new study in Science.

Scientists think this particular Obummeraca comunistata seditionata fossil is from a male between 35 and 49 years old. The deformed ugly fossils were found in the remnants of a subterranean South Chicago cave system alongside the color-clashing fossil remains of an adult female in her 40s.

“It’s the opinion of my colleagues and I that O.C.S., [Obummeraca comunistata seditionata] may very well be the gall stone that unlocks our understanding of this idiot Homo,” the biological group that includes deviant humans, study leader Lee Berger, of the University of Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, said in a statement, referring to the artifact that helped decipher ancient Kenyan gas station restroom graffiti.


11 posted on 04/09/2010 2:59:16 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: JoeProBono

In before the picture of Helen Thomas?


12 posted on 04/09/2010 2:59:55 PM PDT by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: Raymann
A does not equal B .
13 posted on 04/09/2010 3:00:03 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: missnry

14 posted on 04/09/2010 3:00:54 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv

Lee R. Berger, an American paleoanthropologist, with son Matthew and dog Tau, at the at the Malapa site where they discovered the new hominid species.


15 posted on 04/09/2010 3:05:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: martin_fierro
First we had Lucy, the first Australopithecus. The sum total of recovered bones from Lucy is 33. 5 are from the area of the head. The record regarding Australopithecus is sparse. While I would not hesitate to agree that this is an Australopithicus fossil, based on later reconstructions based on an amalgamation of other fragments found over the decades, I find it hard to see any reason to believe this fossil represents a whole new species. There's just too little solid data.

Really nice specimen though.

16 posted on 04/09/2010 3:06:14 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: SunkenCiv

CRADLE OF HUMANKIND, South Africa — Nine-year-old Matthew Berger dashed after his dog, Tau, into the high grass here one sunny morning, tripped over a log and stumbled onto a major archaeological discovery. Scientists announced Thursday that he had found the bones of a new hominid species that lived almost two million years ago during the fateful, still mysterious period spanning the emergence of the human family.
“Dad, I found a fossil!” Matthew said he cried out to his father, Lee R. Berger, an American paleoanthropologist, who had been searching for hominid bones just a hill and a half away for almost two decades. Fossil hunters have profitably scoured these rolling grasslands north of Johannesburg since the 1930s.

Matthew held the ancient remains of a 4-foot-2 boy who had been just a few years older than Matthew himself. Dr. Berger, with the Institute for Human Evolution at the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg, and his fellow researchers have since found much more of the boy’s skeleton, including his extraordinarily well-preserved skull, and three other individuals. South Africa’s children will compete to name the boy.

In a report being published Friday in the journal Science, Dr. Berger, 44, and a team of scientists said the fossils from the boy and a woman were a surprising and distinctive mixture of primitive and advanced anatomy and thus qualified as a new species of hominid, the ancestors and other close relatives of humans. It has been named Australopithecus sediba.

The species sediba, which means fountain or wellspring in Sotho, strode upright on long legs, with human-shaped hips and pelvis, but still climbed through trees on apelike arms. It had the small teeth and more modern face of Homo, the genus that includes modern humans, but the relatively primitive feet and “tiny brain” of Australopithecus, Dr. Berger said.

Geologists estimated that the individuals lived 1.78 million to 1.95 million years ago, probably closer to the older date, when australopithecines and early species of Homo were contemporaries.


17 posted on 04/09/2010 3:08:00 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Looks like the dog got tired of digging!


18 posted on 04/09/2010 3:08:07 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JoeProBono; martin_fierro

I MEANT to post that original post to you...Martin...you defy description sometimes.


19 posted on 04/09/2010 3:08:21 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: JoeProBono

looks like a gonga line!


20 posted on 04/09/2010 3:10:11 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is in control!)
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To: JoeProBono
**SIGH**...at least they're not advertising this one as another “missing link”. I hate it when fossil remains YOUNGER than their supposed descendants are advertised as a “missing link”.
21 posted on 04/09/2010 3:14:57 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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22 posted on 04/09/2010 3:17:03 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Little Bill

Yes, the skull is not Goofy.

But neither is it H. Sapien or any other modern ape. That raises the number to what, eight bipedal apes that existed in the genus Homo? (Depends on what floresiensis was I guess)


23 posted on 04/09/2010 3:21:16 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: Raymann

Huge eyes and very small cranial cavity with protruding mouth area, I think. Anyway, that’s what I see in both pictures.

It looks more like an ape of some sort.


24 posted on 04/09/2010 3:25:21 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: JoeProBono

Goofy’s cuter.


25 posted on 04/09/2010 3:30:31 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: Raymann

One of the problems that I have is that the emphases on similaries rather than differences.


26 posted on 04/09/2010 3:31:44 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Raymann

Um...Homo Sapiens with microcephaly, I believe.


27 posted on 04/09/2010 3:32:43 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: skr

It IS an ape, so are you and I taxonomally for that matter.

You’re right on the eyes (specifically the brows) but the face doesn’t protrude anywhere near far enough to be close to non-human apes (conversely way too far to be H. Sapien).


28 posted on 04/09/2010 3:33:50 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: cake_crumb

That would account for the smaller brain size, not for the differences with the jaw, brows, nose, teeth, etc.

BTW: Why is it that every fossil they pull out of the ground just happens to have microcephaly? :)


29 posted on 04/09/2010 3:36:31 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: Little Bill
"it MAY have been"

Yep, more absolute proof of the missing link. Don't you get tired of this crap? I do.

30 posted on 04/09/2010 3:36:45 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Raymann

Ok, CURRENTLY the tide is turning toward sapiens with microcephaly, with the deformations as a result of...ground pressures. LATER, the tide’ll go some other species. Better paleontology than climatology, because at least in paleontology we still allow debate, no?


31 posted on 04/09/2010 4:14:40 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: martin_fierro

LMAO!!


32 posted on 04/09/2010 4:17:02 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: cake_crumb

I really don’t keep up with creationist explanations for the fossil record. As best as I can tell, they only have three basic ones: they’re deformed humans (very common), they existed with man (and therefore man didn’t come from them), or they’re another ape with no relation to man.

It’s not science not because they don’t believe in evolution but because they reject even the possibly of it because of the bible.

And of course there is debate in paleontology but remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There’s debate in physics too but you better bring some ironclad proof (and probably a gun) if you’re going to say the Earth doesn’t revolve around the sun.

We have in the fossil record a series of physiologically and chronologically differentiated fossils of apes that show a clear progression toward becoming more primitive and less intelligent the further we go into the past. A theory that excludes the idea that one comes from the other would have to account as to why that dispersion isn’t random in the record. Until creationists do that, they have no case.


33 posted on 04/09/2010 4:39:42 PM PDT by Raymann
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34 posted on 04/09/2010 4:40:28 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Raymann
That makes two if us. I don't keep up with the creationist explanations at all, except for the occaisonal act of self defense (AND I'm a Christian, creationism isn't a requirement).

I personally lean toward H. Sapiens, isolated and attempting to adapt, but that still doesn't make them a different species. In order to be a different species, your branch loses the ability to readily reproduce with the branch you left. On the other hand, the argument for forced adaptation is pretty easy, considering the history of the region. The little buggers are surrounded by just too much hype right now for more than just spirited argument, though my biologist daughter and I have kept up on the Floriensis news ever since their discovery was broke in the news.

35 posted on 04/09/2010 5:04:26 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: dangerdoc

MY EYES, MY EYES!!!!!


36 posted on 04/09/2010 5:05:09 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: cake_crumb

I’m not saying you’re wrong but if that speciman is typical for that species, it’s not an H. Sapien. Also consider that even pushing it, few consider H. Sapians to be more then 100,000 years old and this fossil is 2 million. Also keep in mind that lions and tigers can reproduce (although the offspring can’t) and no one considers them the same species.


37 posted on 04/09/2010 5:19:13 PM PDT by Raymann
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38 posted on 04/14/2010 7:58:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Raymann; SunkenCiv; All

I’d like to show the creationists this quote from “The Catholic Children’s Bibly bySister Mary Theola, S.S.N.D.
“He (God) inspired holy men to tell us the great, profound truths of creation in simple, imaginative stories....The Biblical writer describes God as talking, consulting and resting. He knew that God did not do these things. God simply willed and things came into existence. But this manner of telling the story helps us to understand more easily the great truth that God created the world.
“The six-day arrangement of creation is a plan the writer used, hoping thereby to impress Jewish people with the holiness of the Sabbath, their day of rest. God rested; so it was right tha the Jews rest on the seventh day.
“Again, the author had no intention, when speaking of a ‘day’ to limit the work of any creative act to 24 hours. He just arranged an orderly way of telling us how the many creatures of this wonderful world came into being.
“The story of creation is a story about religion and not about science. Therefore, creation as told in the Bible does not offend against science. It is true, though, that in His creative act God set masterful forces of science into motion.”

It is nice to see that the Catholics do not try to “limit” god. Now if only others would be as reasonable.


39 posted on 04/24/2011 11:43:48 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

What’s more limiting? Insisting that God must have used a process that, inconsistencies aside, requires hundreds of millions of years to achieve, because that falls within our intellectual ability to grasp, or acknowledging that he, as the creator of time itself, is capable of doing it in six days without concerning himself about whether or not we can reverse engineer it to our satisfaction?


40 posted on 04/24/2011 11:53:12 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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