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Extracts of Cyrus Cylinder found in China
The Art Newspaper ^ | 02 Aug 2010 | Martin Bailey

Posted on 08/03/2010 4:41:39 PM PDT by Palter

British Museum curator has identified cuneiform text inscribed on horse bones

Two fossilised horse bones with cuneiform inscriptions have been found in China, carved with extracts from the Cyrus Cylinder. They were initially dismissed as fakes because of the improbability of ancient Persian texts turning up in Beijing. But following new research, British Museum (BM) specialist Irving Finkel is now convinced of their authenticity.

This discovery looks set to transform our knowledge about what is arguably the most important surviving cuneiform text, written in the world’s earliest script. Dating from 539BC, the Cyrus Cylinder was ceremonially buried in the walls of Babylon. Its text celebrates the achievements of Cyrus the Great, ruler of the Persian empire. The clay cylinder was excavated by BM archaeologists in 1879 and sent to London, where it is one of the museum’s most important antiquities.

The texts found in China inexplicably have fewer than one in every 20 of the Cyrus text’s cuneiform signs transcribed, although they are in the correct order. The two inscribed bones were donated to the Palace Museum in Beijing in 1985 by Xue Shenwei, an elderly Chinese traditional doctor who died later that year. He said that he had learned about the pair of inscriptions in 1928. He bought the first bone in 1935 and the second in 1940, and named the sellers. Xue acquired them because he thought they were written in an unknown ancient script, presumably from China. In 1966, during the Cultural Revolution, he buried the bones for protection, digging them up later. Chinese scholars who have pursued the story believe that Xue’s account is credible.

In 1983 Xue offered the bones to the Palace Museum in the Forbidden City, which collects inscriptions. It was then that specialists told him they were written in cuneiform. It was not until two years later, when Xue donated the objects, that specialist Wu Yuhong realised that the text of the first bone came from the Cyrus proclamation (the text of the second was not identified).

The discovery

Until this year it was generally assumed that the Cyrus Cylinder was a unique object, created for ceremonial burial, and that the text had not been disseminated. Then in January two fragments of an inscribed clay tablet in the BM’s collection were found to contain part of the proclamation, suggesting that it might have been widely copied. Finkel returned to the pair of Chinese bones, to reconsider whether they might be authentic. He realised that the text on the second bone was also from the Cyrus proclamation (which had been missed in 1985), and requested more information from Beijing.

Chinese Assyriologist Yushu Gong went to the Palace Museum store to examine the bones, and also arranged a new rubbing of the inscription (done with black wax on paper), which provides a much better image of the text than existing photographs. Yushu took these to London, for a workshop that was held at the BM on 23-24 June.

Are the bones fakes?

The obvious question is whether the inscriptions are fakes—although they would be bizarre objects to fake. Why would a faker use fossilised horse bone, a material never used before for this purpose? If the bones had indeed been acquired by Xue by 1940, it would not have been easy for a Chinese forger to have gained access to the Cyrus text, which only became widely known later in the 20th century. Why would a faker have carved only one in 20 of the characters, which meant that it took years before the Cyrus text was identified? And why would a faker have sold the bones in China, where there has been virtually no market for non-Chinese antiquities?

The clinching factor for Finkel is that the partial text on the bones differs slightly from that on the Cyrus Cylinder, although it is correct in linguistic terms. Cuneiform changed over the centuries, and the signs on the bones are in a less evolved form than that of the cylinder. The individual wedge-like strokes of the signs are also different and have a slightly v-shaped top, a form that was not used in Babylon, but was used by scribes in Persia.

“The text used by the copier on the bones was not the Cyrus Cylinder, but another version, probably originally written in Persia, rather than Babylon,” Finkel believes. It could have been a version carved on stone, written with ink on leather, or inscribed on a clay tablet. Most likely the original object was sent during the reign of Cyrus to the far east of his empire, in the west of present-day China.

Scholars at the workshop had little time to digest the new evidence, and inevitably there was some scepticism. But Finkel concludes that the evidence is “completely compelling”. He is convinced that the bones have been copied from an authentic version of the Cyrus proclamation, although it is unclear at what point in the past 2,500 years the copying was done.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: china; cuneiform; cyrus; cyruscylinder; godsgravesglyphs

1 posted on 08/03/2010 4:41:46 PM PDT by Palter
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To: SunkenCiv

Not Miley, ping.


2 posted on 08/03/2010 4:42:35 PM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping.


3 posted on 08/03/2010 4:42:45 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Palter

"CAN YOU DIG IT?"

4 posted on 08/03/2010 4:44:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Palter

“There he is! That’s him! That’s... the Warrior! He shot Cyrus!”


5 posted on 08/03/2010 4:44:37 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Palter

” Its text celebrates the achievements of Cyrus the Great, ruler of the Persian empire “

Ancient forerunner of today’s MSNBC.....

(The more things change, the more they remain the same..)


6 posted on 08/03/2010 5:10:14 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

” He shot Cyrus!” “

But, he did not shoot the dep-yew-tee..... ;)


7 posted on 08/03/2010 5:11:30 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Palter

Cyrus the Great is very important to the Jews in history, as by conquering Babylon, he ended their Babylonian captivity, and allowed them to return to Jerusalem and rebuild their temple, the 2nd temple, which lasted another 420 years (religious estimate) (or 586 years, secular estimate), before being destroyed by the Romans.


8 posted on 08/03/2010 5:41:31 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Thanks Palter and Jet Jaguar.
...cuneiform text inscribed on horse bones... They were initially dismissed as fakes because of the improbability of ancient Persian texts turning up in Beijing. But following new research, British Museum (BM) specialist Irving Finkel is now convinced of their authenticity... Dating from 539BC, the Cyrus Cylinder was ceremonially buried in the walls of Babylon. Its text celebrates the achievements of Cyrus the Great, ruler of the Persian empire. The clay cylinder was excavated by BM archaeologists in 1879 and sent to London, where it is one of the museum's most important antiquities. The texts found in China inexplicably have fewer than one in every 20 of the Cyrus text's cuneiform signs transcribed, although they are in the correct order. The two inscribed bones were donated to the Palace Museum in Beijing in 1985 by Xue Shenwei... He said that he had learned about the pair of inscriptions in 1928. He bought the first bone in 1935 and the second in 1940, and named the sellers. Xue acquired them because he thought they were written in an unknown ancient script, presumably from China.
Not too sure about this.

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9 posted on 08/03/2010 10:13:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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The texts found in China inexplicably have fewer than one in every 20 of the Cyrus text’s cuneiform signs transcribed, although they are in the correct order

I would submit that this is the world's earliest form of a written aide memoire. Folks need to remember that pre graphic society relied upon memorization of very long texts, the Iliad and Odyssey are but two notable examples, to propagate knowledge. Indeed, even Socrates decried the rise of writing as destructive of memory.

So, if the text was memorized, then the cuneiform would only serve as a reminder to the reciter that he was getting in all the pieces.

This idea may be referenced in further academic journals as AndyJackson, Aug 4, 2010 http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2564103%2C9

10 posted on 08/04/2010 6:14:42 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Palter
Cylinder? it's a pole.


11 posted on 08/04/2010 7:56:48 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right. - WWJD)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, this is one of the stranger stories I’ve seen. (scratching head)


12 posted on 08/04/2010 1:27:16 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The Persians and Chinese traded, the Greeks and the Chinese traded, the Alexandrian successor states and Chinese traded, the Romans and Chinese traded...

Still not sure that this is going to turn out to be anything. It’s interesting that cuneiform was found in China, but it doesn’t appear to be a complete text, and my wild guess is (totally uneducated wild guess) that these will hold up as cuneiform, but won’t hold up as being from the Cyrus Cylinder.


13 posted on 08/04/2010 6:18:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: AndyJackson

:’) Thanks AJ.


14 posted on 08/04/2010 8:09:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
Agreed. I think the China road goes way, way back. Especially when you factor in those Caucasian mummies out in today's desert.

It's just odd that this thing only has excerpts from the Cylinder. Who knows, maybe it was a tourist souvenir the Persians made to sell to those arriving on the road???

15 posted on 08/05/2010 9:55:16 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

It’s probably analogous to “The Bible Code” — but in reverse — just the “skips” are skipped, in order to make these cuneiform characters appear to be from a famous text. I wonder how many of the characters are in this text; cuneiform was in use for over two thousand years, precisely because it could be used to express pretty much any language. Sumerian was agglutinative, Akkadian was not; and one of the Amarna archive tablets was in an unknown language, but it could be pronounced, because cuneiform is logographic. In what may have been the greatest single translation ever made, the message on that one unique table was cracked wide open and the ancient message was read.

What I’m getting at (now that I’m done showing off again) is, perhaps this is a cuneiform message containing some Asian language of that time.


16 posted on 08/05/2010 7:03:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
What I’m getting at (now that I’m done showing off again) is, perhaps this is a cuneiform message containing some Asian language of that time.

Interesting. It would be a different world if Chinese was written in cuneiform instead of those maddening pictograms.

17 posted on 08/06/2010 10:25:47 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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18 posted on 08/06/2010 10:28:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: colorado tanker

The Chinese writing system was carefully designed so that it would be writeable in any of the languages of the empire (the agglutinative ones), and readable natively in any of them. So, it was possible to write in one’s own language, send the message across the kingdom, and have someone read it in their own language. There are some oddballs in practice, but basically, it was a brilliant achievement. Of course, I’m taking someone’s word for it who grew up in the US but has lived and worked in the Far East most of his adult life and became fluent in various languages there.


19 posted on 08/06/2010 5:49:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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