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Posted on 11/08/2010 8:33:23 AM PST by The Comedian
Is Precognition Real? Cornell University Lab Releases Powerful New Evidence that the Human Mind can Perceive the Future Written By: Ben Goertzel Date Published: November 4, 2010 According to todays conventional scientific wisdom, time flows strictly forward from the past to the future through the present. We can remember the past, and we can predict the future based on the past (albeit imperfectly) but we cant perceive the future.
But if the recent data from the lab of Prof. Daryl Bem at Cornell University is correct, conventional scientific wisdom may need some corrections on this particular point.
In a research paper titled Feeling the Future, recently accepted for publication in the prestigious Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Bem presents some rather compelling empirical evidence that in some cases and with weak but highly statistically significant accuracy many human beings can directly perceive the future. Not just predict it based on the past.
(Excerpt) Read more at hplusmagazine.com ...
My toys too.
I predicted that zero would be the worst president in history before he took office - does that count?
(Sure wish I could pick next weeks lotto numbers instead.)
I get flashes of precognition all the time. Problem is I have no control of it.
I sure wish you had been wrong about the thug in our White House.
If Clif is correct, all hell is about to break loose.
On the other hand...
Thats just what we need for the masses to justify their belief in the new prophets about to emerge.
Time is an illusion of the hologram that is the universe.
When I was a teen I stayed with family friends while my parents took a vacation. I was convinced that I had dreamed of the house and situation in some years before I ever saw that house.
I am open to the idea that this was a psychological illusion but I tell you I remembered the dream clearly and it was perfect in every detail. It sure seemed real.
Can we see your proofs?;-)
Where did you get that idea?
Time is an illusion of the hologram that is the universe.
100% agree. You and I would have a grand time over adult beverages.
Yup, that seems to be the nature of our ability. That's why it is important to aggregate it across as large a group as possible.
Professor Daryl Bem in his Lab
If the future is already in the past - it limits control...
GREAT ARTICLE N GRAPHS.
Interesting how the RC’s are highest of all the religious categories.
This is precisely what Richard Feynmann was talking about in Cargo Cult Science. If you believe in psi, you’ll believe in anything, including but not limited to “Climate Change”.
Thanks for the ping. For the next ten days, ours ears are to the ground.
No. That would be like predicting the Transit of Venus or a Solar Eclipse based on published ephemerides. While not obvious to the casual observer or Keith Olbermann, it was completely predictable to anyone who was paying attention.
In all seriousness , humans are psychic. There is no doubt.
Just what ‘psychic’ means exactly, and all that it does or doesn’t entail is the source of much discussion and argument.
We all have these ‘powers’. BUT, we are taught we do not. If you don’t think you have it, and you don’t try to use it (exercise it), it atrophies.
YOU can tell yourself to wake at a certain time, and without a clock, you will do so. IF YOU PRACTICE.
I can’t count the times I have called a friend, who was just picking up the phone to dial me. And vice versa.
I used to sit in the church choir as a kid, and pick out a person in the pews who was looking down at a hymnal, or whatever, and think “LOOK AT ME”.
It was very slow at first, but after months of practice, I could pick anyone looking down, and they would immediately look up directly at me, with a look of shock on their face.
I don’t think there is anything ‘special’ about me, or the ability to use these powers. I think everyone has the ability.
I cannot, for instance, lift 400 pounds over my head. But, those who practice can.
My Uncle Bob knew the exact day, hour and minute he was going to die. The judge told him.
Maybe it only happens when it needs to.
I predict zero will be the same arrogant, brainless, POS, bent on destroying America, AFTER the election as he was BEFORE the election.
It's just a feeling, but I bet I'm proven correct!
I took one look at my future mother-in-law and had a Precognative Panic Attack!
How about this for precognition:
I predict that over much of the Northern Hemisphere the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
He didn't define these "gods" but does give an riveting account of the decline of these phenomena as well as a complete set of proofs as to his conclusions (using ancient literature including the Iliad, Odessey, Epic of Gilgamesh, the Bible, etc.). BTW, he also provides a very careful definition of what human consciousness is and is not...as well as a careful account of the evolution of these phenomena down to the present.
The voices of the gods (God) are still with us (in this theory) in the form of conscience, prayer, visual and auditory hallucinations of schizophrenics and users of psychotropic drugs like DMT (and this discussion adds "precognition" to the list).
This theory explains much of historic precognition and may explain what we today recognize as such.
As an additional point, The Book of Enoch (Pseudepigrapha--The Ethiopian Enoch) adds a backdrop unmentioned by Jaynes which leads one to consider that the gods Jaynes spoke of might be both holy and fallen angels (depending on the nature of the person involved, of course).
“we do not understand one shred of quantum mechanics, we merely observe it and use the observations”
That’s overstating things. Obviously, quantum mechanics has various problems, but it’s still science. People still know things. There are still theories.
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screeching in terror like his passengers.
“It was very slow at first, but after months of practice, I could pick anyone looking down, and they would immediately look up directly at me, with a look of shock on their face.”
I don’t believe you.
“YOU can tell yourself to wake at a certain time, and without a clock, you will do so. IF YOU PRACTICE”
If that’s to be considered “psychic,” then pretty much any time our mind tells our bodies to do something would also be “psychic,” for instance when my brain told my fingers to type this post.
I knew they were going to release this information a month before they did.
Yup, there's that too. This is one instance when we seem to overlap using nothing in common but the raw data (and I doubt we're even using the same sub-set of that, based on my conversations with Clif).
Roger. This kind of thinking is the reason that the double blind clinical study was the greatest medical advance of the 20th Century.
I’ll definitely be adding that to my repertoire.
We observe quantum-mechanical behavior and use those observations, but we don't understand them.
"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." --Richard Feynmann
Try it for a couple months.
It costs you nothing, and will either confirm your beliefs or expand them.
Yep. Still, marginally effective and ineffective drugs manage to make it through the process.
Perhaps a better appreciation of the placebo effect will be a major medical advance of the 21th century.
If thats to be considered psychic, then pretty much any time our mind tells our bodies to do something would also be psychic, for instance when my brain told my fingers to type this post.
Actually, that was psychokinesis. My brain made your fingers type that post.
I had a feeling about 2 months ago that you would know that.
“We observe quantum-mechanical behavior and use those observations, but we don’t understand them.”
It’s one thing to say that no one completely understands quantum mechanics, another to say there is nothing but rote observation.
“’I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.’ —Richard Feynmann”
The same can basically be said for all modern physics, at least going back to Newton, based as it is on higher mathematics. They call math a language, but it’s not. It’s a convenient process for the efficient application of logic, and in a sense has a mind of its own. A scientist can be adept at math, be able to follow the necessary steps, and give you the bullet points as to what it all signifies. But they don’t really understand it. If they did, they’d be able to explain it with words instead of using math.
I’m just saying that though quantum mechanics is more esoteric than previous “paradigms,” it’s yet a coherent body of deductive knowledge. Scientists still cook up theories, express them in comprehensible “language,” and test them empirically. Too many guesses have been confirmed and upheld for too long for it to be nothing but mindless observation.
- Lonesome in Mass., and everyone who has been part of the priesthood (scientific or otherwise) since the dawn of recorded history when confronted with anything outside of their existing orthodoxy.
Were micro-organisms real before they were observed and we had the mechanisms to quantify them?
How about heleocentrism?
You evidently know.
It is essential to accurately evaluate a drug or treatment.
OTOH, we know peoples' beliefs and expectations affect their outcomes, yet we systematically eliminate this from clinical trials.
To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever studied what factors contribute to the efficacy of the placebo effect.
Is there some cue that triggers it? Can doctors and/or pharmacists be trained to give this or these cues?
IF one can trigger the placebo effect is it ethical to cure the patient that way? Is it ethical not to?
(Here in California it is illegal to prescribe or dispense placebos)
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