Skip to comments.Nationalized healthcare ZOT!
Posted on 12/17/2010 7:18:44 PM PST by B_Simons
Sorry if I'm not allowed to post this sort of thread, but I'd rather ask direct questions than interpret answers to other questions an apply them to my own.
I'm from the UK and for school work over the holidays I've got to find and explain/counter arguments for and against a political issue from another country, and I know that healthcare reform is a big one in America at the moment so I picked the easy one.
I've had good experiences with our NHS, and without it I would either be dead or my family would be deeply in debt due to my medical history (liver failure, mainly, which required a transplant). I also have asthma and as I'm 18 and still in full time education my prescribed inhalers are free. My family isn't very wealthy, my dad died when I was young from cancer (luckily his insurance paid off the remainder of the mortgage and a small amount of other debts) and my mum doesn't have a well paying job (below the national mean wage). We live modestly but don't have very financial problems.
So my questions are:
What, exactly is the problem with nationalized/socialized healthcare?
If the problem is due to it being paid for by tax increases, do you expect the increases to be larger or smaller than your current insurance cost?
Do you think it's 'fair' that people who cannot afford health insurance and have expensive medical issues should have to choose between suffering and large amounts of debt?
Do you think the quality of healthcare will improve/worsen with NHC?
Sorry if this thread isn't allowed or isn't in the right place (never used a forum like this before)
Many thanks, Brendan
You are about to see the greatest healthcare system of all time for any nation in this world’s history crash and burn under socialism, and your asking us what’s wrong with it???
I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it...
there won’t be ANYWHERE for ANYONE in the world to go now.
You like your socialized medicine??? Great... Now try to find a doctor worth a damb.
Brendan, please stick around and read around. May I ask why you chose to post this in the GOP section?
Call in the Viking Kitties to further evaluate this thread!!!
Seems like “Brendan” is a Troll...I doubt he is even from the UK..ha.
43% of doctors polled in the US have stated that they WILL leave the practice if Obamacare is implemented.
I’d start by reading this story:
should be posted in bloggers&personal or general/chat
Socialized medicine and most healthcare insurance programs are unsustainable because they simply cover too much.
There are loads of affordable health care coverage options in the states that would cover catastrophic health conditions such as your liver conditions that would be very affordable for insurance holders who freely choose to pool risk.
However most health plans cover... routine doctor visits and other recurring costs that simply send costs over the top.
The easiest way to describe the problem with how we finance health care via the present insurance models...
Imagine what car insurance would costs if it included all of your gas and oil changes.
That’s the problem in a nutshell.
I am going to focus on only one aspect of your query, as there are others to outline the general problems with national health care.
You received a liver transplant. Like so many important medical breakthroughs, liver transplants were pioneered in the U.S. It is not because we have smarter people, it is because an open system encourages such breakthroughs. If the U.S. had an NHS in 1963 you could be sure that the technology would not be nearly so far along, possibly not available at any price.
If the U.S. embraces a fully nationalized system, then medical research will become even more politicized than it is now, with popular ailments and technologies getting preferential treatment, often without regard to their true potential or likelihood of success.
The world needs a class of researchers and doctors who are not completely at the mercy of government spending. The scandal of the climate change hoax as exposed by the leaked East Anglia e-mails demonstrates what can happen when there is too much reliance on the government teat.
Yeah... we have LOTS and LOTS of stories like yours here in the US too... many with very happy endings... more than you would think.
The difference is that when someone was in need, another person, private organization, local community, religious organization, doctor, hospital, etc. etc. stepped up and lended a hand... NOT THE FREAKING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Federal assistance is supposed to be a last resort... NOT the first option.
You say without government health care you’d
be dead. No. Without health care you’d be
dead. The government lied to you when they
said that only the government can provide
health care. Their purpose is to get you
to think that you need “charitable” government
services. False again. Government doesn’t
do charity. They do thinks for their own
purposes - such as when politicians use
tax dollars (definitely not charity because
it’s not optional) to get themselves re-elected.
We’ve had limited government healthcare, and
most people survive because they pay into
their own health care. In other words,
they work for it like they work for food
You’ve been lied to.
Hmm... you have the sound of a troll about you.
I had a British friend whose father had a stroke while her parents were visiting her in the States. He went into intensive care for several weeks while he was nursed back to health. Eventually, he was deemed well enough to travel, but he was expected to be admitted into a critical care unit once back in England.
Instead, he was admitted onto a general ward. He died within two weeks.
Point one: there is no such thing as “free” healthcare. When you convince people that healthcare can be “free” and they do not pay for it directly, their demand for it is endless, and it is necessarily rationed. This happens in every country that has “free” socialized healthcare. And the irony is that people receiving the “free” healthcare pay far more for lower quality healthcare via taxes than we pay directly to receive way better healthcare.
Point two: you get what you pay for. That is an economic reality that cannot be escaped.
I’m 54 and was diagnosed with terminal cancer 7 years ago. Medicare took care of my treatment. I am in remission now - and not dead [only God knows why].
If I was on the Obama plan, my oncologist says that I would have been denied treatment altogether - due to the classification of “terminal”.
So you and your family haven’t been denied a medication yet (that you know of) because it’s expensive. You haven’t had to stand before the death panel yet? Er, I mean Medical Advisory Board..?
Government healthcare = death care, shovel ready jobs.
First off we have nationalized health care. Walk into any emergency room in the country with any ailment, tell them you cannot afford to pay and you will get health care. Your treatment will be paid for by people who can afford to pay.
That health care is the best in the world.
Here is the rub, aside from the fact we are not socialists. Everyone will have to participate...except for the politically connected, like unions and companies that support left wing ideology. So it is no longer socialized medicine. It is medicine that is good for thee, but not for me.