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'Pyramids were built by leadership skills, not slavery'
Press Trust of India ^ | May 23, 2011 | Staff Reporter

Posted on 05/28/2011 12:36:29 PM PDT by decimon

It was the leadership skills of the rulers and not the bondage of slavery that motivated the labourers to toil hard in building the ancient Egyptian pyramids, claims a top leadership guru.

Indonesia-based Arthur Carmazzi will soon come out with a book arguing how the leadership skills of the rulers of Egypt were responsible for building the giant structures regarded as one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

"Various researches have already shown that the labourers were not slaves. It was more about getting work done through leadership skills, rather than by slavery and exploitation. Even today we look at those tombs with amazement as to how they were built in the ancient ages. In my book, I will discuss how the labourers were motivated," Carmazzi told PTI here.

The best-selling author and leadership trainer was in the city recently to give a motivational lecture for a fundraising event of Calcutta Park Street Round Table 34.

To be released this August, the book titled 'Team Leadership Lessons from the Great Pyramids' will have case studies on how the builders treated the workers, how they tried to build up a rapport with their large workforce and how they ultimately won their trust.

"It is very interesting to learn how even thousands of years ago, when even the word management was not born, the rulers got their task done by applying leadership skills effectively. It is an excellent example of what difference can leadership skills make," said Carmazzi, ranked as one of the top ten most influential Global Leadership Gurus by Gurus International.

(Excerpt) Read more at ptinews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: arthurcarmazzi; arthurfcarmazzi; doubletalk; exploitation; godsgravesglyphs; indonesia; pages; semantics; slavery; totalbs
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1 posted on 05/28/2011 12:36:32 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Carrot stick ping.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 12:37:19 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Göbekli Tepe in Turkey is absolutely amazing and was built 14,000 years ago, then buried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo0ZkgqM1TE&feature=related


3 posted on 05/28/2011 12:45:32 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: decimon
The whole proposition that the pyramids were built without slave labor is absurd leftwingnut bizzarro agitprop.

See Keynes and the Pyramids. The article is also available as an mp3 audio recording. The author rips Zahi Hawass, the Egyptian antiquities "expert" we see on television so often and makes him look like a fool.

4 posted on 05/28/2011 12:50:12 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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Back then I would guess it was not called slavery. There were only two classes of citizens those born into royalty aka landowners and those born into servitude.

It was suppose to be an honor to be born into a class to serve the master(s).

Remember words meaning change over time. So do relationships. Only since the founding of America where a “middle-class” of free people were created did the term slavery take to a new meaning.


5 posted on 05/28/2011 12:54:37 PM PDT by edcoil (Democrats doing to America what Reagan did to russia. Driving it to bankrupcy.)
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Well, kumbaya, [characterization deleted].

No slaves were involved in building all those enormous monuments -- if you didn't do as you were told, you were either killed, driven out into the desert, denied food, or officially enslaved. So, IOW, you had a choice. See? Not slavery.

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6 posted on 05/28/2011 12:57:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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7 posted on 05/28/2011 1:01:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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While I am not sure if it was or wasn’t slaves who built this, it is logically fallacious to say that slaves are only led by those with no leadership skills, or that being led by those with leadership skills means that a slave is no longer that - a slave. This guy from India used what is known as a hidden false dichotomy/false choice in building his argument.


8 posted on 05/28/2011 1:05:47 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: SeeSharp
The even larger pyramid at Cahokia Illinois was built with free labor ~ they did so as part of their religious observances.

In a lightly populated world where you could just run down the river a few miles and totally disappear slavery would be a difficult institution to maintain. Imagining that Egypt could be run as a gigantic slave camp is bizarre.

Even the ancient Hebrews didn't claim that everybody was a slave ~ just them ~ and they were working on a treasure city, not pyramids.

9 posted on 05/28/2011 1:08:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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"those born into royalty aka landowners"

Land ownership was wide spread in ancient Egypt and not limited to royals. The priestly/royal cast were needed to settle boundary disputes, especially after the annual floods, but most of the land was privately owned. I don't think many land owning farmers worked on the pyramids, though I think their taxes paid for them. Slaves, by whatever name you want to call them, built the pyramids.

10 posted on 05/28/2011 1:08:41 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
The whole proposition that the pyramids were built without slave labor is absurd leftwingnut bizzarro agitprop.

Absolutely correct. And the fact that Göbekli Tepe was built 7000 years prior means the Eqyptions didn't need space gods and spork weasels to accomplish it, the technology had existed for thousands of years.

11 posted on 05/28/2011 1:09:15 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: decimon
Great Pyramid tombs unearth 'proof' workers were not slaves
12 posted on 05/28/2011 1:10:04 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: edcoil
The traditional castes and classes were far more complex ~ even at that time. First, there were the warrior class folks, then the ruling class, then the religious class, then the merchant class, then the commoners, then the peasantry, then the.........

Going back further there'd been a hunter class, a gatherer class, a village class, a warrior class, ......

It is easy to imagine that Egypt had a "construction class" with it's own form of engineers, project managers, and acquisitions specialists.

13 posted on 05/28/2011 1:11:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv
Nonsense! The slavemasters spent their entire day lashing the workers with a whip. They also took sadistic pleasure in offering slaves water then pouring it on the ground.
14 posted on 05/28/2011 1:13:23 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: decimon

And here all this time I thought the were built by aliens ;-)


15 posted on 05/28/2011 1:13:49 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The Egyptian, Zahi Hawass, makes an even more ridiculous argument. He says that because the worker accommodations near the pyramid sites look like ordinary villages where ordinary people would live the workers could not have been slaves. When I first heard that argument I had to laugh at the choice of words. The root of the Saxon word “village” is villain, which means slave.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 1:14:43 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: decimon

ROTFLMAO


17 posted on 05/28/2011 1:14:55 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Palter

Interesting article. The egyptians claim they built the pyramids from free labor. I would guess it’s kind of a slap in their face if Jews built their greatest monuments.....just saying.


18 posted on 05/28/2011 1:16:29 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Palter

So these workers had the free will choice to say no to building the pyramids? Someone might say that the concept of free will choice to say no would be an unknown concept to them. But just because they didn’t know about the choice or right to say no, or just because they didn’t know they were slaves doesn’t means they weren’t. Ignorance of this fact on their part doesn’t negate this fact.


19 posted on 05/28/2011 1:19:20 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: muawiyah
In a lightly populated world where you could just run down the river a few miles and totally disappear slavery would be a difficult institution to maintain.

Yes it would, but that is not a description of ancient Egypt. Only the land for a few tens of miles on either side of the Nile was habitable. River traffic was policed (and taxed). And where did you get the idea that ancient Egypt was lightly populated?

Imagining that Egypt could be run as a gigantic slave camp is bizarre.

But we are discussing a Pyramid building site.

20 posted on 05/28/2011 1:19:45 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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