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'Pyramids were built by leadership skills, not slavery'
Press Trust of India ^ | May 23, 2011 | Staff Reporter

Posted on 05/28/2011 12:36:29 PM PDT by decimon

It was the leadership skills of the rulers and not the bondage of slavery that motivated the labourers to toil hard in building the ancient Egyptian pyramids, claims a top leadership guru.

Indonesia-based Arthur Carmazzi will soon come out with a book arguing how the leadership skills of the rulers of Egypt were responsible for building the giant structures regarded as one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

"Various researches have already shown that the labourers were not slaves. It was more about getting work done through leadership skills, rather than by slavery and exploitation. Even today we look at those tombs with amazement as to how they were built in the ancient ages. In my book, I will discuss how the labourers were motivated," Carmazzi told PTI here.

The best-selling author and leadership trainer was in the city recently to give a motivational lecture for a fundraising event of Calcutta Park Street Round Table 34.

To be released this August, the book titled 'Team Leadership Lessons from the Great Pyramids' will have case studies on how the builders treated the workers, how they tried to build up a rapport with their large workforce and how they ultimately won their trust.

"It is very interesting to learn how even thousands of years ago, when even the word management was not born, the rulers got their task done by applying leadership skills effectively. It is an excellent example of what difference can leadership skills make," said Carmazzi, ranked as one of the top ten most influential Global Leadership Gurus by Gurus International.

(Excerpt) Read more at ptinews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: arthurcarmazzi; arthurfcarmazzi; doubletalk; exploitation; godsgravesglyphs; indonesia; pages; semantics; slavery; totalbs
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To: SeeSharp

Excellent comment on Hawass. Read post # 19.


21 posted on 05/28/2011 1:22:59 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: muawiyah

“It is easy to imagine that Egypt had a “construction class” with it’s own form of engineers, project managers, and acquisitions specialists. “

Yes, you are correct. They were called “masons”. Term masons actually dates back to the 9th grandson of Adam - when his father divided his tribe into builders and those that supported the builders when the first city in the bible was built.

They taught geometry to the Egyptians - initially because during the raining season plots of land were flooded and markers were lost so a system of geometry was provided so when the new planting season was started every owner knew where there land started and stopped.


22 posted on 05/28/2011 1:23:52 PM PDT by edcoil (Democrats doing to America what Reagan did to russia. Driving it to bankrupcy.)
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To: SeeSharp
They built pyramids all over the place. Just discovered 15 new ones the other day (buried under the sands).

Now, about how populated Egypt was in those days, I'd guess anywhere from 500,000 to 2,000,000 total population on an annual average basis from the founding of the second kingdom right down to roughly the founding of Sparta in Greece. That's when Greece had a runaway population surge, due mostly to technological improvements and an improved variety of olive tree (and probably some other crops). Egypt shouldn't have been immune from that pressure.

Disease was big time back in the day. When Napoleon arrived they estimate the total population was about 3,000,000!

Here's a piece on it: http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/people/index.html

23 posted on 05/28/2011 1:31:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv

I think it could well have been a scenario where religious duty factored heavily in the construction, rather than slavery.

However, leadership skills are always necessary for any major project that takes people away from their comfort zone. You can tell from the gafitti left by pyramid work gangs that there was real comraderie and competition among them.

Grafitti such as: The floggings will continue until morale improves.


24 posted on 05/28/2011 1:31:15 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: decimon

Ah, so obviously the Bible is wrong (again).


25 posted on 05/28/2011 1:33:17 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeeSharp

BTW, almost forgot, the current population of Egypt is about 82,000,000. That’s about 40X the population of the period we are talking about ~ a far different society!


26 posted on 05/28/2011 1:33:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: edcoil
Yes, you are correct. They were called “masons”.

When did they start hating Catholics?

27 posted on 05/28/2011 1:34:12 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: rbg81

Ah, so obviously the Bible is wrong (again). [/s]

Forgot the SARCASM.


28 posted on 05/28/2011 1:34:14 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“All men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...” This statement transcends time and location. This statement is axiomatic and inherently true. It follows after the Founding Fathers yet preceeds them in its truth.


29 posted on 05/28/2011 1:34:47 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: rbg81

Why is the Bible wrong? As I recall it doesn’t say everybody there was a slave. It points to a single class of people who appear to have arrived as free people, overstayed their welcome, and ended up as slaves.


30 posted on 05/28/2011 1:35:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: decimon

sull bhit

Well, I guess we can scratch Moses off the list of credible figures of antiquity. If we do that, there goes the Ten Commandments. There goes the Jewish sacrificial laws and practices pointing to the sacrifice of Christ on our behalf.

Mission accomplished, if this is adopted as the truth.

The truth it is NOT, and I will never buy into this lie.

Satan and his minions are hard at work, these days. That’s the one thing I can take away from this.


31 posted on 05/28/2011 1:39:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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To: muawiyah

Overstayed their welcome?

Wow, you’re treading on some interesting ground there fella. Since when do Jews or anyone else overstay their welcome?

Either you believe in the Biblical story of the Israelites and Moses, or you don’t. Which is it?

What do you take away from the story of the Israelites leaving Egypt, if you don’t believe they were all delivered up from bondage as related in the Bible?


32 posted on 05/28/2011 1:47:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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To: DoughtyOne; Palter
From the link provided by Palter in post#12: Amihai Mazar, professor at the Institute of Archaeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, says that myth stemmed from an erroneous claim by the former Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin, on a visit to Egypt in 1977, that Jews built the pyramids.

"No Jews built the pyramids because Jews didn't exist at the period when the pyramids were built," Mazar said.

Dorothy Resig, an editor of Biblical Archaeology Review in Washington DC, said the idea probably arose from the Old Testament Book of Exodus, which says: "So the Egyptians enslaved the children of Israel with backbreaking labour" and the Pharaoh put them to work to build buildings.

"If the Hebrews built anything, then it was the city of Ramses as mentioned in Exodus," said Mazar.

33 posted on 05/28/2011 2:10:51 PM PDT by decimon
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To: rbg81

There is no hint that Hebrew slaves had anything to do with pyramids. All the known major ones were already ancient by 1500 BCE.


34 posted on 05/28/2011 2:14:00 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SunkenCiv
Somehow, that seems like a familiar argument, also from the Sand Lands...let me see if I can remember how it goes.

Oh, yes; got it!

...if you didn't do as you were told convert to Islam, you were either killed, driven out into the desert, denied food, or officially enslaved. So, IOW, you had a choice. See? Not slavery compulsion of religion.

Sometimes, no matter how different things are, they are still the same...celebrating 5,000 years of "freedom" in Egypt, this is what memorial Day is about?

Oh, and lest we forget, Ezek 29:15

15 It [Egypt] shall be the basest of the kingdoms; neither shall it exalt itself any more above the nations: for I will diminish them, that they shall no more rule over the nations.
KJV

...and it doesn't.

35 posted on 05/28/2011 2:23:05 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
So these workers had the free will choice to say no to building the pyramids? Someone might say that the concept of free will choice to say no would be an unknown concept to them.

During the depression, we had the Works Project Administration putting people to work, sometimes doing make-work.

Could it be that the pyramids were giant WPA projects? During time of plenty, the rulers collected surplus wheat. During times of crop failure, they distributed the stored wheat, in exchange for labor on the pyramids.

36 posted on 05/28/2011 2:24:12 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: decimon

Yeah, a pharoah with an army and thousands of paid guys with whips amounts to leadership Egyptian style.


37 posted on 05/28/2011 2:36:09 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: SeeSharp
The root of the Saxon word “village” is villain, which means slave.

No. The Root is the Latin word "Villa": a country dwelling. And the concept of the villein, technically a freeman owing labour service to his Lord as rent for his land, only arrived with the Normans.

38 posted on 05/28/2011 2:48:02 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: DoughtyOne
Boy do you know how to misread everything. Like you got a chip or something waiting on it to be knocked off.

Don't get into a contest with anyone on the net about who is more Jewish BTW. You'd be surprised.

The basic story is the Hebrews went to Egypt. They stayed 400 some years. They ended up enslaved. They rebelled. They left. Pharoah drowned.

Judaism begins with MOSES according to some, yet others argue that it begins with ABRAHAM. Take your pick.

NOBODY ELSE in Egypt is identified as having been enslaved at that time.

39 posted on 05/28/2011 2:57:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Oztrich Boy
Before the departure of the Britons to Brittany Saxons were organized such that they had Nobles and slaves. Pretty straightforward system, and remarkably similar to the organization under the Britons.

After the Britons left the area that became known as Essex, Wessex, West Essex, and East Wessex and became Bretons, the Saxons underwent an extensive metamorphosis and broadened the umbrella of rights.

Most Scandinavian societies up to the 10th or 11th century were pretty much Nobles and slaves.

40 posted on 05/28/2011 3:00:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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