cafeteria christians...
Posted on 09/10/2011 8:10:42 PM PDT by LouAvul
...... reconcile themselves to Romans 1?
Rom 1:18-32 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness....24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature......27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet..... 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Granted, verse 32 is referring to the second death, viz. Judgment, but it's so obviously a condemnation of homosexuality it's hard to imagine how they ignore it.
You’re absolutely correct.
A forgivable sin if you repent from it.
repenting and confessing their sins when they fail and struggling on, praying for God’s grace.
Yes, but my understanding of the Bible’s teaching is, God forgives us from our sin, not in our sin’s? Repent means to stop doing the sin.
Well said.
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cafeteria christians...
“...libs claim the 2nd Amendment is ONLY for the militia...”
or in other words, they would have us think that the Founding Fathers believed that it required a constitutional amendment to arm the military.
For the sake of argument, grant that they are correct. Then how many meet THAT standard? Nope, it's all propaganda aimed at easinf the camel's nose under society's skirt.
“A forgivable sin if you repent from it.”
Indeed. Repentance is key.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
The third man, if he is living as a monk, as you say, is handling it the right way. It’s not a sin to be tempted, although we could get into the whole “lust in the heart” thing. The sin is to act on those feelings contrary to God’s will.
That being said, if someone claims to be a Christian, God has the final judgment on him. I can see if he is living a Christian life, or not, but I’ve got too much sin in my own life to be too judgmental of an individual, as opposed to a group.
I will say, if you are homosexual, your life will be a whole lot more pleasant, as will that of your acquaintances, if you keep your private life private
AMEN to that. We all sin, and do it over and over sometimes, despite repentance. But to try to justify it seems to me to be akin to that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that you've heard about.
Recall that you are a sinner and fall short of the glory of God as has every single human being since Adam, outside of Jesus Christ himself. The sins of some are greater in the eyes of man than others, and some sin is abomination, but break God's law in any manner and break it all. None are worthy, all require forgiveness.
Take care not to cast a stumbling block before your brother, here. Revulsion over the sin extending into the rejection of a repentant sinner is clearly wrong.
There’s a definitional problem here: “a homosexual” can mean a person afflicted by a besetting temptation to engage in homoerotic behavior, whether or not he or she yield to that temptation, whether or not he or she, should he or she yield to the temptation feels remorse and repents to return to struggling against the temptation. It can also mean one who abandons him- or herself to such temptations, which is surely what St. Paul was writing against, since a sodomite is not one tempted to sodomy, but one who commits sodomy.
If never yielding to temptation is the standard for being a Christian, well, then the only Christians in the world are a handful of monks and nuns who have managed not only to keep their vows by God’s grace, but overcome all envy, pride, anger. . . and the rest of us are just wannabes or poseurs. Even monastics when asked what they do, reply “we fall down, and we get up, we fall down and we get up” referring to falling into sins and repenting.
One can be a Christian regardless of what one’s besetting temptations are, but if one is a Christian, does not abandon oneself to those temptations, one repents when one falls into sin, and does not justify one’s sin on the basis of being afflicted with a besetting temptation, and does not claim that one’s sin isn’t sin, much less try to claim that it is actually good.
“Now that they can marry, they’re legit. No more living in sin, Right....right?”
You are on to something. Many have been conditioned to think the state defines marrieage, to the joy of the statists and homosexualists. Some religious institutions wouldn’t allow their clergy to perform marriages for the gays until the state patted them on the head and told them it was OK to do so. God forbid the state refuses to issue pieces of paper for hetero couples of these faiths, I reckon there would only be gay marriages performed.
Luckily there are many faiths that don’t think a piece of paper from the gubberment makes one married or not. It’s just a shame the state has the power to punish them for rejecting its ever devolving take on marriage, to the joy of the homosexualists and statists.
Freegards
All I said was that THEY don’t seem to need my permission to go to church since they’ve been going to church all their lives? Or to live their lives the way they want to. And, if you’re a Christian, YOU know as well as I do that there’s a higher power than mine that is in charge of the dispensation as to whether they’re living right or not.
What I do not "get" is why your gay relatives should be interested in obtaining YOUR permission for anything. Oh I see, you are really saying something quite else, aren't you, as in: "No one has the right to question the moral standing before God of my gay relatives." Something like that, no?
You are quite right that there exists a "higher power" who will judge each of us. What is missing in your post is an acknowledgment that this "higher power" has spoken. In the words of Francis Schaeffer: He is there and He is not silent.
God has spoken through His Word to us, but you know all that... What perhaps you should consider is that we are not free to take an "ala carte" attitude towards Scripture, picking and choosing only that which agrees with our "modern sensibilities."
You surely are also well aware that Holy Scripture is unequivocal regarding the sinfulness of homosexual behavior. Thus it is thus irrelevant how "happy" your gay relatives are, or even how long they have attended church - even "with their partner." Homosexual behavior is called an "abomination" - this directly from the "Higher Power."
God does not take pleasure in the death of the unrighteous, and neither should we. However, ours is not to in any way "justify" that which God has condemned.
There is literally an eternity of difference between a repentant sinner (who may continue to struggle but always admits his sinful behavior) and someone who attempts to justify a behavior which God has condemned.
Properly deferring judgment to God is one thing; refusing to admit that He has spoken through his Holy Word is quite another.
“But to try to justify it...”
Agreed.
When someone’s spirit is not-so-willing AND the flesh is weak, it’s time to shake the dust off and move on.
Some, as Paul pointed out, need to go to the Devil before possibly eventually coming home. To hit Rock-less bottom so to speak.
We can plant seeds. We can’t force them to grow.
Look, you go enjoy your piety and your hatred. I am not going to join you in it. I cannot stand in piety because I know I’m just a humble human struggling through this life just like my family members are, whom I am going to enjoy because they are my family, and I am going to render to God the job that he claims is his...judgment. Just like He spoke in His words...
Remember? “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Remember the whore who was also practicing deviant sex out of the bounds of God’s instructions?
Remember? Matt 7:2-5 “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged....How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye...when there is a plank in your own eye...You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye...”
Now, Son, if you’ve ever studied the Bible and God’s instruction you’d know...you have the right to question and judge the action or the deeds...but you’d better not judge the person. You are to love the person and let God do his job.
So I suggest you take that plank out of your own eye, and start studying again, because you haven’t got it yet. Unless of course, you’re God. Because I’m human and followed those instructions..as I questioned the behavior in my post by saying “I don’t know” and then stated what I was dealing with...then I stepped aside and left God in charge of the dispensation just as He instructed me to do. Have YOU GOT IT YET? Because I’m done explaining it for ya!
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