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Flu shots less effective than experts thought (Ard is right, again.)
Star Tribune ^ | 10/26/2011 | Maura Lerner

Posted on 10/26/2011 8:36:35 PM PDT by arderkrag

Annual flu shots protect only about 59 percent of the population -- far less than previously thought -- according to a new study led by University of Minnesota researchers.

The study found "major holes and gaps'' in the vaccine given to tens of millions of Americans every year to prevent influenza and its complications, said Michael Osterholm, the lead scientist and head of the university's Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy. But until a better vaccine comes along, Osterholm said, 59 percent "is a lot better than zero."

--SNIP--

"This is the most comprehensive review of influenza vaccine that I've seen," she said. She predicted it will be the subject of discussion this week in Atlanta, where committee members are meeting. "This study is sort of shaking the underpinnings, if you will, of that 70 to 90 percent [effectiveness] figure that's often been quoted."

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I've been saying for quite a while now that the "flu vaccines" were far less effective than they were touted to be. At least they haven't been mandated by the state - yet.
1 posted on 10/26/2011 8:36:37 PM PDT by arderkrag
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To: arderkrag

I’ve only gotten a flu shot once and I ended up getting the flu.

I seem to fight that sort of thing off pretty good. What drives others to their knees makes me a little achy and feverish but seldom really makes me sick.


2 posted on 10/26/2011 8:39:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: arderkrag; neverdem; DvdMom; grey_whiskers; Ladysmith; Roos_Girl; Silentgypsy; conservative cat; ...

Ping


3 posted on 10/26/2011 8:39:53 PM PDT by decimon
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To: arderkrag
Tune in for our next exciting episode, when we'll reveal the racial makeup of the groups for which the vaccine does and doesn't work!

Don't miss it!

4 posted on 10/26/2011 8:40:45 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: arderkrag; cripplecreek
Study: Obesity limits effectiveness of flu vaccines
5 posted on 10/26/2011 8:41:55 PM PDT by decimon
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To: arderkrag

Never had the flu.

Never had a flu shot.

Related?

Never had the shingles shot.

Never had shingles.

Related.

Same for pneumonia.

What hard proof is there that hand sanitizer reduces disease?


6 posted on 10/26/2011 8:42:46 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: cripplecreek

I had the same experience as you. The worst case of flu I ever had was brought on by a flu shot.

I have never taken a flu shot since—and have never had the flu again.


7 posted on 10/26/2011 8:46:12 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: arderkrag
(Ard is right, again.)

Who is this Ard - and how can he be contacted? I have a few more predictions that need some work.

8 posted on 10/26/2011 8:51:24 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: upchuck
What hard proof is there that hand sanitizer reduces disease?

In hospitals? A lot.

At home? None.

9 posted on 10/26/2011 8:52:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Libloather

Buy consolidated lint, plant your corn early next year, and your lucky numbers are 17, 12, 37, 16, 48, and 23.


10 posted on 10/26/2011 8:56:14 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: arderkrag

I must be one of the 59 %. My health hasn’t been too good for several years and I spent a couple of days in the hospital some years back due to the flu which went into my lungs. Since then I’ve been taking the shots and have not had the flu in spite of exposure. My wife has done well too.


11 posted on 10/26/2011 8:56:56 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: basil
...and have never had the flu again.

Kewl.

Complications of flu
Complications of flu can include bacterial pneumonia, ear infections, sinus infections, dehydration, and worsening of chronic medical conditions, such as congestive heart failure, asthma, or diabetes.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

12 posted on 10/26/2011 9:02:24 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: cripplecreek

I never got the flu either until my hospital mandated the flu vaccine for everyone or lose your job. This coincided with the 2008 Flu Challenge that Merck promoted on the Joint Commission for accreditation of hospitals/health care facilities and has intensified ever since . No conflict of interest there.

This is a racket to force people to do this - just makes the drugs companies richer, and gives the false illusion that you are protecting yourself. If you want the vaccine, knock yourself out. If you wash your hands with soap and water regularly, cover your face when you sneeze and cough, and take some Vitamin D - you’ve done way more for yourself and those within your spew sphere then the flu shot could ever hope to do.


13 posted on 10/26/2011 9:03:34 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: arderkrag

I am not a vaccine-conspiracy person or anti-vaccine, per se. However, I’ve always seen “Flu shot” as a waste of money, much as “alternatives” are. If it essentially makes you sick to keep you healthy long-term, I see no value and more trouble than it’s worth.

Yes, I’ve had flus. Not every year, though.

Last year my MIL was bugging us about giving our 2yo son a flu shot, especially the “swine flu” craze that was sweeping through. Never mind the ped always promoting it. I resisted and neither I nor my son got any flu much less the “evil swine flu” that hardly happened.

My parents and husband and MIL do it all the time, but I do not wish to. I think it’s a waste.


14 posted on 10/26/2011 9:12:08 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: JimSEA

Without rendering an opinion as to the effectiveness of getting the flu shot, it’s very likely that your body’s natural immune response to actually getting the flu is the reason you haven’t gotten it again rather than the vaccine.


15 posted on 10/26/2011 9:17:14 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: arderkrag

I got a flu shot 4 years ago and my legs ‘buzzed” for 8 months after.

My ‘doc’ said it had nothing to do with the flu shot.
Yea, it was just ‘coincidence’ that it came about a few days after the shot.

Anyways i researched it, found some REALLY SCARY STUFF and will NEVER get a flu shot ever again.
I suggest the same to you guys.


16 posted on 10/26/2011 9:21:17 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: basil

You can’t get the flu from the flu shot, though you can expose yourself to the flu by going to the doctor’s office or hospital to get the shot.


17 posted on 10/26/2011 9:22:57 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: cripplecreek
I’ve only gotten a flu shot once and I ended up getting the flu.

I got my one flu shot in the AF in 1966. I also got the only serious case of flu I have ever had following that shot.

18 posted on 10/26/2011 9:42:32 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "EconomicMohamedans.s In One Lesson.")
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To: Shethink13

I used to get the flu every year, though not so severe as to be hospitalized. I haven’t had it since getting the shots. I can’t prove it is due to the shots, of course, but I’ll not run the risk of discontinuing them.


19 posted on 10/26/2011 9:42:55 PM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: arderkrag
Vitamin D3. 10,00 units a day for the last two years.
No respiratory or any other viruses for those two years.
Wife is an elementary school teacher who used to bring flu or colds home from school 3 to 5 times a school year.
Wife has been taking 10,000 D3 for two years. She has had no viruses for those two years.
I used to get the stuff at WalMart for cheap. Now I get it on line for cheaper.
I like not having colds and stuff.
20 posted on 10/26/2011 9:46:45 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "EconomicMohamedans.s In One Lesson.")
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To: arderkrag; basil; cripplecreek; decimon; Jim Noble; JimSEA; Libloather; mowowie; MrShoop; ...

NOT effective

Effective
But stock up while the feds still let you control your own vitamins...

Senator Durbin’s Stealth Move against Supplements


Oh, and BTW, you DON'T want the type that comes from Cod Liver Oil because that contains lots of 'active' vitamin A, which neutralizes your body's D3
21 posted on 10/26/2011 9:48:05 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping....


22 posted on 10/26/2011 9:54:55 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 10/26/2011 10:17:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re Welcome, Alamo-Girl!


24 posted on 10/26/2011 10:27:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: JimSEA

I’m like you. I get sick if I don’t get the shot, and usually stay well with it.


25 posted on 10/26/2011 10:43:32 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: arderkrag
I'm partial to the theory that flu strikes in winter for lack of enough circulating D3. I take 5000IU daily and haven't bothered with a flu shot for the last 6 years. Not a single case of flu in that time frame. My home is in Idaho, so sunshine isn't enough. Even though I'm working in San Diego, I'm inside from 8 AM to 7 PM M-F. Very little sun exposure.
26 posted on 10/26/2011 10:56:29 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: upchuck
I had pneumonia 7 years in a row. Very severe. Once I got the pneumonia shot, I never had another case of pneumonia. Related?
27 posted on 10/26/2011 10:58:05 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: arderkrag
Why would anyone line up .. and PAY for .. a government sanctioned injection of ...

what?


I'm 63 ... never have, never will.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've "had the flu" in the last 15 or 20 years ... it nails me for a week and I milk it for all it's worth ... ( ...;^) .... )

28 posted on 10/27/2011 2:26:48 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: arderkrag
Whenever some clerk at Walgreen's or CVS asks me if I have had my flu shot; I ask them if they are licensed to practice medicine.

Shuts them right up.

29 posted on 10/27/2011 3:09:33 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Future Useless Eater

If you read the article, it is incorrect to say that the flu vaccine is “not effective” at preventing influenza. On the other hand, there is appears to be zero scientific evidence that Vitamin D supplements prevent influenza.


30 posted on 10/27/2011 3:37:11 AM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: arderkrag

If you understand the basics of the mathematics of immunology, you would know that you don’t need anything like 100% individual efficacy to develop useful levels of herd immunity to prevent mass transmission. Even if you don’t think YOU need it, suck it up, wait in line a few minutes, take the prick in the arm, do it for the young children, oldsters, and immune compromised for whom the prevention of the flu is more important.


31 posted on 10/27/2011 3:42:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sioux-san

Is anyone really getting rich on a $25 flu shot?


32 posted on 10/27/2011 3:44:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Vitamin D3 bump!

100% anecdotal, however: I began taking 5000 U.I. of Vitamin D3 four years ago. Since then I’ve not had even a sniffle. I’ve never been a sickly type of person. But I have had some raging winter colds that hung on for six to eight weeks. Since I’ve been taking the Vit D, no illness.

Thank you Lord Jesus.


33 posted on 10/27/2011 4:10:54 AM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: upchuck

Same here...5000 a day keeps the doc away... :-)


34 posted on 10/27/2011 4:12:59 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: arderkrag
I think the flu vaccine contains has both aluminum and thimerosal (mercury)
35 posted on 10/27/2011 4:13:19 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: arderkrag
according to a new study

If you don't agree with these results, just wait a few months, a new study is now under way.

The experts have proven that both global cooling and then global warming exist and are caused by human activity, and the new study finds this is now called climate change.

The seas are rising but there are places where it is falling, the ice is melting or growing, there are more or less hurricanes than in past years, there are too many people and not enough food, too many people have too much while so many don't have enough... according to karl marx {karl was the marx brother with the big beard}.

36 posted on 10/27/2011 4:55:21 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: FreedomPoster

Ah, yes. All for the “greater good”. No thanks, the lesser good is what interests me.


37 posted on 10/27/2011 4:58:11 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: arderkrag

I’ve never had one. I did get the flu once in the 90’s though...


38 posted on 10/27/2011 5:05:59 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: arderkrag

Meh. I’m not advocating government forcing it on people. I am saying that personal interest becomes group interest becomes personal interest when it comes to flu immunization. I guess it will take another Spanish Flu to get people to wake up and not be foolish about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic


39 posted on 10/27/2011 5:12:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: iowamark
>>...there is appears to be zero scientific evidence that Vitamin D supplements prevent influenza.

Wanna bet?
There's tons of evidence, but the drug companies cannot make a profit on this unless they get the real stuff outlawed.
detailed evidence summary on Influenza.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news/vitamin-d-news/
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news/

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40 posted on 10/27/2011 5:37:25 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: FreedomPoster

Group interest would actually be better served by not getting a shot, and letting people build up a resistance through exposure.


41 posted on 10/27/2011 7:31:50 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: JimSEA

As I said, no comment on the whether or not to get the shot, but very glad to hear you are not getting sick as you used to.


42 posted on 10/27/2011 8:06:45 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: arderkrag

I always get the shot and haven’t had the flu in years.

And I don’t want it.

59% is better than nothing.

We need to quit demanding perfection. It’s not happening in thie world. We do our best, and deal with the rest.

(That goes for elections, too.)


43 posted on 10/27/2011 8:32:17 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: arderkrag

When the “lesser good” knocks you flat, maybe we’ll chip in to send you some chicken soup.

The arrogance on this thread just begs for nature’s slap in the face.

Flu, appendicitis, scarlet fever, polio, whooping cough — all once major causes of death, especially among the young.

I, for one, am immensely grateful for medical science and how much better we have it than did our forebears.


44 posted on 10/27/2011 8:39:16 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: FreedomPoster
If you understand the basics of the mathematics of immunology, you would know that you don’t need anything like 100% individual efficacy to develop useful levels of herd immunity to prevent mass transmission.

(1) The "mass immunization" argument is a canard. Viruses are the most prevalent form of life in the universe and have been around since the dawn of time. How do you think they've survived? If 100% of the population were immunized the virus would merely mutate into a form that will resist that immunity. Do you suppose it's just coincidence that over the years the number of strains of various viruses has increased exponentially? They are living things that want to continue living and are quite accomplished at finding a way.

(2) Using the Spanish Flu Epidemic as justification for mass immunization? Puh-leez! That was just after the turn of the century when there were no antibiotics to speak of to prevent secondary infection, which was the major contributing factor to fatalities. Not to mention the sanitation issues and limited knowledge of infectious diseases.

Is anyone really getting rich on a $25 flu shot?

It's very hard to take you seriously with a comment like this. When you have major hospital systems, insurance companies, and the Feds buying up millions of doses to distribute to the masses you bet someone's getting rich. I have nothing against anyone getting rich. What I do have a problem with is companies getting rich by foisting a phony cure-all that will, IMHO, in the long run create more problems than it will solve.

If you think the flu shot will help you then by all means get one. Just realize that the shot immunizes you and you alone and does not prevent you from carrying or spreading the virus to others.

45 posted on 10/27/2011 8:39:33 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Jedidah
When the “lesser good” knocks you flat, maybe we’ll chip in to send you some chicken soup.

Hey thanks! And when you're knocked flat by a flu strain that you didn't happen to be immunized against or that mutated to become resistant, we'll return the favor.

The arrogance on this thread just begs for nature’s slap in the face.

Pot...meet Kettle....

46 posted on 10/27/2011 8:46:58 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: arderkrag
The last flu shot I got was for Swine flu in the 70's, and that was mandated by the school. Never get the flu, never get sick really, especially since I gave up smoking. Used to have periodic bouts of bacterial pneumonia requiring antibiotics when I did smoke. Now, I might get a mild head cold or allergies in the spring or fall, and that's about it. The best medical advice you will ever get comes from your Mother and your plumber.


47 posted on 10/27/2011 8:49:39 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Shethink13

True, secondary infection is often a factor in flu mortality.

HOWEVER, the Spanish Flu was particularly virulent, often taking lives quickly, not from secondary infection but rather from a phenomenon known as “cytokine storm” in which the lungs were attacked and rapidly destroyed.

The young and healthy were as vulnerable as those with compromised health, and they died quickly, long before a secondary infection could establish.

Some strains of the H5N1 “bird” flu do the same thing.

Please don’t discount the danger, or efforts of researchers to protect us from another such pandemic.


48 posted on 10/27/2011 8:51:16 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
Please don’t discount the danger, or efforts of researchers to protect us from another such pandemic.

I don't discount the efforts of researchers who may truly be working to lessen the effect of a possible pandemic. But this flu shot mania currently going on has nothing to do with altruism. It is a knee-jerk overreaction to a limited problem that has not taken into account long-term consequences. The statement "follow the money" has never failed to explain questionable actions.

49 posted on 10/27/2011 9:10:00 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: upchuck

I’ve had the flu several times, including the pig flu. On years when I got the flu shot, I did not get the flu.

Related?

I’ve never gotten polio, mumps, rubella, measles, shingles, and a host of things I’ve gotten shots for, even when in third-world s—holes where people had this stuff.

Related?


50 posted on 10/27/2011 9:10:56 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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