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Military Vaccine/Immunization Waiver Help Needed (Can you serve without getting vaccinated?)
TSgt | 12/12/2011 | TSgt

Posted on 12/20/2011 6:08:52 AM PST by TSgt

FRiends,

Is there any way to enlist and serve in the military and have Vaccines/Immunizations waived?

This isn’t about me, my shot record is a mile long, but for my nephew who desperately wants to serve. He enlisted two years ago with the Marines and was halfway through bootcamp at Paris Island when he had an autoimmune response, similar to Guillain-Barre, to some of the vaccinations he received. This response put him in the Navy hospital and actually paralyzed him for a few weeks. He is a tough kid and did not want to separate but was sent home to recover and listed by the VA as partially disabled. The VA is now stating that he is fit for duty however I’m afraid that is in the context of them no longer paying for his healthcare and not that he can reenlist.

My nephew feels terrible about the situation since his step-brother, father, uncle, grandfathers and great grandfathers have all served. He’s a good kid, no trouble, etc., physically strong, works out often and wants nothing more than to serve in any branch of the military that will take him.

Is there any way he can enlist and serve his country considering the situation?

Many thanks,

TSgt


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: military; vaccines

1 posted on 12/20/2011 6:08:57 AM PST by TSgt
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To: TSgt

TSgt,
No offer of any knowledge regarding vaccinations but wanted to offer my prayers for your nephew. He sounds like a helluva kid.

Our country needs a few good more men ( and women ) like him.
I hope you find/get the answers you’re looking for.


2 posted on 12/20/2011 6:16:47 AM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: TSgt

I looked this up years ago. I’ve been in the military for 23 years now. Years ago one of my Soldiers didn’t want to get a shot (he was just being a smart ass). I found out that a Commander can order a Soldier restrained so that he/she may be given a shot. Getting the vaccinations is more about the health and welfare of other Soldiers as much as the individual. I’m no lawyer but this is my interpretation. I hope your nephew can serve one way or another.


3 posted on 12/20/2011 6:20:36 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Forced diversity causes dissent!)
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To: simplesimon

Thanks!

It pains me that the military bends over to allow queers to serve but can’t do anything for a normal all American kid who loves his country.


4 posted on 12/20/2011 6:22:35 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt

He needs to contact a recruiter and/or MEPS counselor for all the branches including reserve/guard. Each branch has different enlistment qualifications.


5 posted on 12/20/2011 6:28:05 AM PST by And2TheRepublic (People like freedom of speech, but only when it's sweet to their ears.)
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To: TSgt

Sorry, but with his medical history, he is probably not medically fit to serve.

He should speak with a recruiter, get some phone # at DOD to call for special cases such as his, and progress from there.


6 posted on 12/20/2011 6:28:05 AM PST by MindBender26 (Stop bothering me with minor issues. I'm too damn busy trying to save our country from Obamaism)
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To: rfreedom4u
Getting the vaccinations is more about the health and welfare of other Soldiers as much as the individual.

Thank you for your service and I absolutely understand. I told him that the military doesn't like to have "one-offs" and that he could be a determent to his unit if he is not able to be vaccinated for a specific theater threat.

My unit had several idiots who refused the anthrax vaccination and they were summarily discharged.
7 posted on 12/20/2011 6:28:35 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt

-——He is a tough kid——

However, if he cannot tolerate immunizations, he is defective. He is not suited to be a Marine.

He must make other choices that are suited to his condition.


8 posted on 12/20/2011 6:28:40 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert
he is defective. He is not suited to be a Marine.

That's a really crappy thing to say.
9 posted on 12/20/2011 6:31:59 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt

I know in the AF that some immunizations could be waived due to allergic reactions.

However, depending on which immunization it is it can directly affect the members availability for world wide duty, and that is where the problem lies. The immunizations can be waived, but if it causes the member to be declared world-wide ineligible it kills the career anyway. THere is a wide gap between ‘Fit for duty’ and ‘World-Wide Eligible’ unfortunately.

Not sure what the Marine policies are, but it will probably require a lot of research on your nephew’s part or behalf to determine if he can reenlist or not.


10 posted on 12/20/2011 6:32:18 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: TSgt

I believe the answer is a firm “no”. Taking the oath entails taking the shots.


11 posted on 12/20/2011 6:38:05 AM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: TSgt

You know, there are other ways to serve this country. Would he consider law enforcement?


12 posted on 12/20/2011 6:39:17 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: TSgt
That's a really crappy thing to say.

So was this, given what all the poison in those vaccines did to a few hundred thousand Gulf War vets.

13 posted on 12/20/2011 6:48:45 AM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: bert

“Not Marine” does not equal “defective.”

There are many Marines who couldn’t make it as a Coast Guard rescue swimmer.


14 posted on 12/20/2011 6:51:54 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: TSgt

Vaccines dramatically enhance the overall health and welfare of the fighting forces, and vaccines allow deployments to situations where disease is rampant.

It is a duty to the service and to fellow soldeirs to be vaccinated so you won’t get any of the diseases and won’t spread disease. That way the service can count on his readiness and the readiness of his unit without having to wonder about succeptibility to disease.

While some folks choose not to get vaccines, I think that choice is selfish for the reasons outlined above. The only reason people can refuse vaccines without a high risk of disease is because their neighbors all get the vaccines.

This kid should have gotten his vaccines a little at a time while growing up. Vaccines are safe.


15 posted on 12/20/2011 6:56:18 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: TSgt

No. When I was in you couldn’t serve if you were allergic to eggs because eggs were used in vaccines. Everyone in the military is subject to deployment worldwide, so you have to be vaccinated for the region you’ll deploy to.


16 posted on 12/20/2011 7:00:56 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: TSgt

If he had a limp or asthma he would also be defective. The services have to treat soldiers as parts in a machine. The parts have to meet minimum tolerances, so to speak.

Your boy is out of tolerance.

This is not mean - its just not what oprah would say (but this aint the oprah channel).


17 posted on 12/20/2011 7:01:22 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Notwithstanding

The symptoms this man is experiencing must be his imagination. Vaccines are perfectly safe, especially the vaccines that use remains of aborted babies: http://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf

As for getting a few at a time, that is usually not the option. As the mother of a three year old and and four month old, most vaccines are given together and there are no other options. For example, the MMR is only available as an MMR and not in single mumps, measles, and rubella shots. Finally, this man probably did get all of his vaccines and the Marines are giving him additional vaccines. It is my understanding that certain vaccines are given regardless of prior vaccination schedules.


18 posted on 12/20/2011 7:06:26 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: TSgt

You might want to post this on the Oprah forums - you’ll find more sympathy there.

It is laudable that he wants to serve, bu there is no right to be a soldier.

I agree that it is disgusting to bend over for the homos, but you are advocating for no standards at all now that homos are in. In fact when women were allowed in the same thing happened: standards dropped for all manner of things in the services.

It is part of the leftisit agenda: destroy western culture. Western culture holds out soldiers as brave patriots and warriors. They got girls in first, which allowed servicemen to be a bit more sissified. Then it made sense that full blown homos could serve because standards dropped. Now you are falling into the trap: “if homos can serve there must not be any standards, so my nephew with health problems should also be able to serve.”

I also raised my eyebrow when I saw you seem to whine about his benefits being cut - it is a sad day when we define a new recruit who had a bad reaction to his shots as a “disabled vet” and we give him lifetime benefits. What am I missing?


19 posted on 12/20/2011 7:12:19 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: TSgt

It depends on what the vaccination was for. These vaccinations are to protect both the individual and the larger group that make up the unit and who must live in close quarters under extreme conditions. If the particular vaccination can be waivered then he should be able to continue to serve and if it is any vaccination then he can be discharged for medical reasons. I served with guys in both the Marines and the Air Force over my career who developed various medical problems and who were forced to leave or retire. I wish him luck and Semper Fi, but I don’t believe an exception should be made if the medical board determines otherwise.


20 posted on 12/20/2011 7:13:06 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: goodwithagun; TSgt

Yes - sorry I conflated those who selfishly don’t get standard vaccines with a recruit who has to get extra vaccines.

Tsgt’s boy may be the latter.

It is unfortunate that some people have health issues that prevent military service.

But it is very good that we don’t make exceptions.


21 posted on 12/20/2011 7:23:59 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: TSgt

While everything I said is true, I apologize for dumping frustration at the direction this nation has taken onto your shoukders.


22 posted on 12/20/2011 7:25:50 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Notwithstanding

Maybe you need someone literate to actually read my post.

I’m not advocating anything nor am I whining about his benefits ending.

He simply wants to serve.

GFY


23 posted on 12/20/2011 7:53:35 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt; Notwithstanding

Well said TSst.


24 posted on 12/20/2011 8:16:24 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: TSgt

Ask Rick Perry - he knows which vaccines should be mandatory!


25 posted on 12/20/2011 8:34:35 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: TSgt

TSgt,

I understand the pain. I was getting a PHA (I’m Army National Guard) the weekend after Hassan’s terrorist rampage at Ft. Hood and was in a (somewhat loud) conversation with one of my buddies about how Muslims get a pass on everything in the army, when a full bird col. opened his door to give me my PHA. He was a Paki. He wrote on my PHA that I had scoliosis and couldn’t walk, handed it to me and told me to get out of his office. It took me three months to fix it and I got it fixed because my readiness NCO informed my CoC that if I had magically developed scoliosis in the Army it had to have been duty related and I was entitled to a full retirement. I got a new PHA and my PULHES score after two more PHAs and another complete physical is and has been 111111.

First, your nephew should go see a *civilian* doctor to find out what is really going on with his body. Was he the only one who reacted, or did he get some bad $hi+? I find it very suspicious that a kid who has probably received plenty of inoculations before the Marines and has never reacted now, all of a sudden, developed a reaction. Go to a doctor and document, document document. Take those documents to a recruiter and/or MEPS doctor to get the records corrected.

If he *really* has a problem (i.e., one not manufactured by the Marines to cover up the fact they screwed something up that caused the reaction, which is always my first suspicion), then . . .

He could try the Army, but, frankly, we are cutting back and booting perfectly healthy soldiers with multiple deployments under their belts. Ten years ago there may have been a way.

These days we’re under a Demorat who, with the help of many RINOs, is raping the military and forcing out normal Americans to be replaced by left-wing ideologues.

Your nephew can and should find a way to serve. One way could be border patrol or another law enforcement type position. Another way is through a State Guard, if your state has one.

In a few years we will find ourselves in another war and in a panic to rebuild our decimated military. That’s not me looking into a crystal ball or make a WAG, it’s a historical inevitability. Once that happens, I would strongly suggest going through an Army or Navy recruiter, as the Air Force and Marines have always been more restrictive.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 8:48:02 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: commish
The immunizations can be waived, but if it causes the member to be declared world-wide ineligible it kills the career anyway.

That is my understanding also. If a a highly renowned plastic surgeon wants to sign up, and spend a few years in a state side hospital, using his or her skills to help service members maimed in action, then all kinds of things can be waived. The armed forces are happy to have such a highly skilled O3 or O4, even if he/she is not deployable world wide. They are not happy to have an E2, with no special training or skills, who is not deployable.

27 posted on 12/20/2011 8:48:48 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: Notwithstanding

“But it is very good that we don’t make exceptions.”

What a load of crap. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better. A lot of guys with good connections who shouldn’t be in are there so they can get their service time listed before they run for political office. We have fat bodies all over the place that should be booted out for people who actually want to be in.

The kid magically has a reaction after he’s been getting these things his whole life. Yeah, it sounds like something is radically wrong with *him*. The military is full of cake-eating fat bodies looking to make sure their little checklists are marked off their clipboards. If one of these little checklisters jacks something up that causes a soldier or marine to get sick, I can guarantee the cake-eater won’t take the blame. They control the records, they control your destiny.


28 posted on 12/20/2011 9:00:23 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: cizinec

Thanks for your reply.

After lots of heartache and research my sister found a support group for military veterans who had autoimmune reactions to vaccinations.

It’s not common but autoimmune reactions do happen and the DOD/VA does a piss poor job of taking care of veterans after they are maimed.

I’m a strong believer in vaccinations, like I said my shot record is a mile long, however there are cases when the body has serious reactions to them.


29 posted on 12/20/2011 9:09:19 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: GAB-1955; TSgt

“There are many Marines who couldn’t make it as a Coast Guard rescue swimmer.”

Excellent point! I wonder if he could go Coast Guard. If they allow him in, that would be a great option to serve.


30 posted on 12/20/2011 9:13:12 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: GAB-1955
>>There are many Marines who couldn’t make it as a Coast Guard rescue swimmer.<<

Dunno. I know a few *older* Navy Seals who compete in Ironmen competitions and still manage to amaze the *young 'uns.*


31 posted on 12/20/2011 9:20:17 AM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: TSgt

Your nephew sounds like a wonderful young man. Best wishes to him.


32 posted on 12/20/2011 9:48:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TSgt

Nope. Get it or else.


33 posted on 12/20/2011 10:45:15 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: TSgt

“That’s a really crappy thing to say.”

Not really. If he cannot do the things Marines need to do then he is not fit to be a Marine. The Marines are not a little girls club for all to join.


34 posted on 12/20/2011 10:47:31 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad

GFY


35 posted on 12/20/2011 11:14:09 PM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: cizinec

If he can’t join the military and still wants to serve, we’d be glad to have in the Coast Guard Auxiliary. You make a difference there and there are no restrictions on membership except being an American citizen.


36 posted on 12/21/2011 5:45:45 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: TSgt

I see you’re too thin skinned to be a Marine.


37 posted on 12/21/2011 8:26:48 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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