Skip to comments.Medieval mass grave hints at gruesome secret
Posted on 01/26/2012 10:32:18 PM PST by Islander7
(CBS News) A gruesome mass grave found in southern England may be the final resting place of some of the most feared marauders of the 11th century.
Archeologists say the remains may belong to Viking mercenaries, who were buried in a burial pit in what now is the English town of Dorset. Isotope testing on the men's teeth links their origin to Scandinavia. That's where the easy clues end.
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You can read more about this story at the University of Cambridge website.
“...the Ridgeway Hill individuals were systematically executed. They were beheaded from the front just like the warriors in the Jomsviking saga. In the saga, one captured Viking says: ‘I am content to die as are all our comrades. But I will not let myself be slaughtered like a sheep. I would rather face the blow. Strike straight at my face and watch carefully if I pale at all.’”
I read more, and it was as clear as mud.
The Vikings discovered America..supposedly.
I like what the american indian warriors would say before a battle....it is a good day to die......(at least thats what they said in a John Wayne movie)
I prefer the Patton* version, “it’s a good day for the enemy b******s to die!”
*There is no hint of evidence that General Patton ever said this, but it sounds like something he would have said.
everyone hates my people...UFFDA
Not at all. I share that blood line myself.
That was in Little Big Man, and I doubt they copied it from a John Wayne movie.
The Lakota Sioux did say that. I believe Mari Sandoz wrote about that in Crazy Horse: The Strange Man of the Oglalas.
“The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.”
CBS is dumbed down ObamaMSMmedia. Nice pics at the Mail:
From the movie “Patton”:
“No SOB ever wins a war by dying for his country. He wins the war by the making the dumb SOB he’s fighting against die for his country.”
This is a tough one: Viking invaders executed by the Anglo-Saxons. Who does Obama apologize to?
Rules for Vikings: When raiding remote towns, do not linger in the area. Load up your ships with the loot and captives, and sail away at once. Do not drink any captured beer or liquor, or hold a party on the beach.
Although these areas can seem remote, powerful bodies of troops may be stationed nearby, and can march 20 or 30 miles in a few hours.
A slight correction if I may?
“Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”
Gen. Patton Speech; 3rd Army Speech - England; 31 MAY 1944 -6th Armored Division (and protrayed wonderfully by George C Scott in the movie Patton.) :)
I may be mangling my English geography but I believe Dorsetshire is in the southwest, which was a Celt holdout. Tenth century, there wouldn't have been a great deal of Saxon influence yet. But, he'd likely view it as we'd view a van full of lawyers crashing through a bridge railing and falling into shark-infested waters ... a start.
But like Col. West said, if you have never been in a war S U. But did think they should have been made to apologize to God and their fellow marines, but war is Hell, if you have not been there, don't judge these marines...
I agree, shit happens after a battle. They didn't cut off any body parts like the enemy does..
Archaeologists found a Viking-era building at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland--definitely not built by Indians.
Well, maybe a little longer.
But have you have a big party on the beach, and decide to sleep over until morning, you’re going to be hanging around for at least 12 hours. That can get very unhealthy, especially if everyone is passed out and you don’t post sentries.
YES! You may. Kudos to you.
Thanks for the correction.
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Thanks Islander7! I almost posted this again, and that would have been [singing] spam, spam, spam, spam...
“The Vikings discovered America..supposedly.”
Not unless they were hunting mammoth.
Did they have big teeth?
I don’t judge these marines for peeing on the enemy. I judge them for being stupid enough to photograph it. You’d think they would have learned after Abu Graib. My son is doing his 20 in SPecial Forces, and now is more likely to be in danger fighting some enraged, insulted Muslim.
Maybe, but regardless, the other side had some choppers.
All muslims are enranged and insulted just by having american's alive...if they didn't have us to fight, they'd kill each other...by our standards they are all insane...the only way to defeat them is to kill them and thats a hard thing for me to say....
This happened during the reign of Aethelred the Unready. They sure don’t make monarch’s names like they used to!
And they head put them to good use.
Quick viking raids could lead to permanent settlements: Dublin, York, Normandy...
Hack guess you’re right.
This type of event probably happened sever-al times during the Middle Ages.
Those guys were pikers. Richard the Lionheart had 2,700 saracen prisoners executed at Acre in 1191, when Saladin failed to meet the terms of their negotiations.
Oh, sorry I had to chop our conversation off so abruptly.
I beheading to bed soon.
Thanks for not losing your head over my being gone all evening. You’re a true, cerebral friend.
I noggin to reply again until the morrow.
I’m headin’ out myself. See you then.
A better article on this same subject is here:
How it sometimes ended, suggests an archeological study in the current Oxford Journal of Archeology. In the study led by Mark Pollard of the United Kingdom’s University of Oxford, archeologists thought they had uncovered the victims of England’s St. Brice’s Day Massacre in 1002 A.D.
The 1002 massacre was “a most just extermination” in the words of King Aethelred the Unready, of Danes cluttering up the English countryside that took place at St. Frideswide’s Church, now Christ Church Cathedral, in Oxford. Scandinavian Viking raiders had harried the English coast in the Middle Ages, expeditions that lasted two centuries, creating long-lasting friction between Danes and Saxons. The massacre victims (who reportedly included the sister of Denmark’s King Sweyn Forkbeard, who along with Aethelred the Unready, is worth mentioning just for the sake of wondering why kings today have such boring names) had walled themselves for sanctuary inside a church, which the townsfolk burned down to murder them. “Afterwards, with God’s aid, it was renewed by me,” King Aethelread noted in a royal proclamation on rebuilding the church.
So, when archeologists found the bones of at least 33 men, and two teenagers, in an ancient ditch near the massacre site four years ago, some supposed they had found some of the massacre victims. “The skeletal remains were dumped in a mass grave, and had clearly been thrown in one on top of another,” said the study, noting the bones showed, “multiple serious perimortem (around the time of death) injuries, most commonly multiple blade wounds, as well as many healed wounds, suggesting they may have been professional soldiers..”
“Several of the skeletons showed evidence of charring, which was not reflected in the local grave fill, suggesting that they had been exposed to burning before burial an observation which heightened the suspicion that these may be some of the victims of the burning of St Frideswide’s Church.”
“Taken together, this evidence left little doubt that these bodies were the result of a mass execution,” said the authors.
But something a bit unexpected turned up when the archeologists tried carbon dating of the bones from three of the skeletons.
“The radiocarbon dates are very consistent,” found the researchers, “...but with calibrated age ranges which do not encompass ‘expected’ date of AD 1002.” Instead the age range of the bones was somewhere from 940 to 970 A.D.
Well. Perhaps the seafood diet of Danes might result in a shift in the type of carbon in their bones. This “marine reservoir effect” that can throw off carbon dating by as much as 400 years, the team suggested.
To figure out what sort of diet the dead men ate, the researchers poured acid on the bones to collect collagen and analyzed their oxygen and strontium contents, which should reveal a diet either heavy on the fish (Vikings) or heavy on the grains (English). They also looked at similar chemistry in a few of the skeletons’ molars. The results confirmed that the men ate a diet heavy in fish that looks more Scandinavian than English, but didn’t budge the age estimate much.
So, what did we have in the ditch at Oxford? A pretty bad day for some Viking raiders, conclude the researchers:
“...we feel encouraged to conclude that this group might also represent a mixed group of professional soldiers, perhaps a raiding party with Scandinavian origins, which could include Denmark and southern Norway or Sweden. That it represents the outcome of the documented massacre at St Frideswide’s Church in AD 1002 currently seems unlikely. The evidence of perimortem (around the time of death) burning and trauma is consistent with the story of the burning of the church, but the presence of healed blade wounds is more likely in a group of professional warriors, rather than in a group of residents of Danish extraction rounded up and executed. At the moment it seems more plausible to suggest that what we have is a group of raiders captured and executed, probably around the later tenth century, but not necessarily directly related to the St Brice’s Day Massacre.”
Easy, the vikings. Why? Glad you asked. As aggressors against a western civilization the vikings were obviously the superior culture and should be apologized to.
"carter - now available in black" obama always sides against the west and always against the victim.
Pray for obama. Psalm 109:8-9
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