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Medieval mass grave hints at gruesome secret
CBS News ^ | Jan 25, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 01/26/2012 10:32:18 PM PST by Islander7

(CBS News) A gruesome mass grave found in southern England may be the final resting place of some of the most feared marauders of the 11th century.

Archeologists say the remains may belong to Viking mercenaries, who were buried in a burial pit in what now is the English town of Dorset. Isotope testing on the men's teeth links their origin to Scandinavia. That's where the easy clues end.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Education; History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: archeology; dorset; england; godsgravesglyphs; medieval; unitedkingdom; vikings
"The legends and stories of the Jomsvikings travelled around the medieval world and would almost certainly have been indicative of some of the practices of other bands of mercenaries or may even have been imitated by other groups," Baillie said.

You can read more about this story at the University of Cambridge website.

1 posted on 01/26/2012 10:32:24 PM PST by Islander7
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 01/26/2012 10:33:03 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Islander7

“...the Ridgeway Hill individuals were systematically executed. They were beheaded from the front – just like the warriors in the Jomsviking saga. In the saga, one captured Viking says: ‘I am content to die as are all our comrades. But I will not let myself be slaughtered like a sheep. I would rather face the blow. Strike straight at my face and watch carefully if I pale at all.’”


3 posted on 01/26/2012 10:41:40 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Islander7

I read more, and it was as clear as mud.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 10:44:47 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Islander7

The Vikings discovered America..supposedly.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 10:52:24 PM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I like what the american indian warriors would say before a battle....it is a good day to die......(at least thats what they said in a John Wayne movie)


6 posted on 01/26/2012 11:07:29 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

I prefer the Patton* version, “it’s a good day for the enemy b******s to die!”

*There is no hint of evidence that General Patton ever said this, but it sounds like something he would have said.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 11:14:59 PM PST by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Islander7

everyone hates my people...UFFDA


8 posted on 01/26/2012 11:27:18 PM PST by barbarianbabs
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To: barbarianbabs

Not at all. I share that blood line myself.


9 posted on 01/27/2012 12:16:06 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: goat granny

That was in Little Big Man, and I doubt they copied it from a John Wayne movie.


10 posted on 01/27/2012 12:39:02 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: goat granny

The Lakota Sioux did say that. I believe Mari Sandoz wrote about that in Crazy Horse: The Strange Man of the Oglalas.


11 posted on 01/27/2012 12:51:13 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

“The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.”


12 posted on 01/27/2012 1:14:57 AM PST by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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To: Islander7

CBS is dumbed down ObamaMSMmedia. Nice pics at the Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2091401/Viking-death-squads-mass-grave-shows-Anglo-Saxons-hit-invaders.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


13 posted on 01/27/2012 1:19:12 AM PST by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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To: ApplegateRanch

From the movie “Patton”:

“No SOB ever wins a war by dying for his country. He wins the war by the making the dumb SOB he’s fighting against die for his country.”


14 posted on 01/27/2012 1:48:36 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Islander7

This is a tough one: Viking invaders executed by the Anglo-Saxons. Who does Obama apologize to?


15 posted on 01/27/2012 4:22:25 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Islander7
A second thought: I wonder if the skeletons show injuries other than the beheadings. If these men were taken in battle, I would have expected evidence of other wounds prior to execution on at least some of the remains.
16 posted on 01/27/2012 4:29:43 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Islander7

Rules for Vikings: When raiding remote towns, do not linger in the area. Load up your ships with the loot and captives, and sail away at once. Do not drink any captured beer or liquor, or hold a party on the beach.

Although these areas can seem remote, powerful bodies of troops may be stationed nearby, and can march 20 or 30 miles in a few hours.


17 posted on 01/27/2012 4:56:11 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

A slight correction if I may?

“Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”

Gen. Patton Speech; 3rd Army Speech - England; 31 MAY 1944 -6th Armored Division (and protrayed wonderfully by George C Scott in the movie Patton.) :)


18 posted on 01/27/2012 4:59:09 AM PST by NCDragon (If you can't stand behind the troops, try standing in front of them!)
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To: sphinx
This is a tough one: Viking invaders executed by the Anglo-Saxons. Who does Obama apologize to?

I may be mangling my English geography but I believe Dorsetshire is in the southwest, which was a Celt holdout. Tenth century, there wouldn't have been a great deal of Saxon influence yet. But, he'd likely view it as we'd view a van full of lawyers crashing through a bridge railing and falling into shark-infested waters ... a start.

19 posted on 01/27/2012 5:04:34 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ApplegateRanch
sure does sound like something he'd say....did you see the picture some freeper posted of Patton peeing in the Rhine river during WW2? Its something of military tradition when taking over enemy country to being in their river....was posted when all the SHTF last week about our boys doing the same on an enemy.

But like Col. West said, if you have never been in a war S U. But did think they should have been made to apologize to God and their fellow marines, but war is Hell, if you have not been there, don't judge these marines...

I agree, shit happens after a battle. They didn't cut off any body parts like the enemy does..

20 posted on 01/27/2012 8:56:55 AM PST by goat granny
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To: max americana
The Vikings did discover America (or Norsemen did, anyway), as long as you don't count the people who waiting to give them an unfriendly reception.

Archaeologists found a Viking-era building at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland--definitely not built by Indians.

21 posted on 01/27/2012 9:46:40 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: proxy_user
...powerful bodies of troops may be stationed nearby, and can march 20 or 30 miles in a few hours.

World-class athletes!

22 posted on 01/27/2012 11:35:31 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Well, maybe a little longer.

But have you have a big party on the beach, and decide to sleep over until morning, you’re going to be hanging around for at least 12 hours. That can get very unhealthy, especially if everyone is passed out and you don’t post sentries.


23 posted on 01/27/2012 12:43:15 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: NCDragon

YES! You may. Kudos to you.

Thanks for the correction.


24 posted on 01/27/2012 11:22:20 PM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Islander7; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Islander7! I almost posted this again, and that would have been [singing] spam, spam, spam, spam...

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


25 posted on 01/28/2012 9:09:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: max americana

“The Vikings discovered America..supposedly.”

Not unless they were hunting mammoth.

:-)


26 posted on 01/28/2012 9:16:00 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry did the right thing, in the right way, for the right reasons. Not everyone is that big.)
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Viking mass grave linked to elite killers of the medieval world

27 posted on 01/28/2012 9:21:59 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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28 posted on 01/28/2012 9:30:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did they have big teeth?


29 posted on 01/28/2012 10:55:49 AM PST by blam
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To: goat granny; All

I don’t judge these marines for peeing on the enemy. I judge them for being stupid enough to photograph it. You’d think they would have learned after Abu Graib. My son is doing his 20 in SPecial Forces, and now is more likely to be in danger fighting some enraged, insulted Muslim.


30 posted on 01/28/2012 12:49:29 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: blam

Maybe, but regardless, the other side had some choppers.


31 posted on 01/28/2012 12:52:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: gleeaikin
I agree with you, the one taking the picture was the stupid one. But they are all still just kids in many ways....You'd think they would know better...

All muslims are enranged and insulted just by having american's alive...if they didn't have us to fight, they'd kill each other...by our standards they are all insane...the only way to defeat them is to kill them and thats a hard thing for me to say....

32 posted on 01/28/2012 1:45:25 PM PST by goat granny
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To: SunkenCiv

This happened during the reign of Aethelred the Unready. They sure don’t make monarch’s names like they used to!


33 posted on 01/28/2012 3:40:43 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

And they head put them to good use.


34 posted on 01/29/2012 8:09:00 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: proxy_user
"But have you have a big party on the beach, and decide to sleep over until morning, you’re going to be hanging around for at least 12 hours."

Quick viking raids could lead to permanent settlements: Dublin, York, Normandy...

35 posted on 01/29/2012 8:49:08 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: TheOldLady

Hack guess you’re right.


36 posted on 01/29/2012 9:48:31 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: TheOldLady

This type of event probably happened sever-al times during the Middle Ages.


37 posted on 01/29/2012 9:49:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv
"This type of event probably happened sever-al times during the Middle Ages."

Those guys were pikers. Richard the Lionheart had 2,700 saracen prisoners executed at Acre in 1191, when Saladin failed to meet the terms of their negotiations.

38 posted on 01/29/2012 10:27:38 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, sorry I had to chop our conversation off so abruptly.


39 posted on 01/29/2012 7:01:55 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady

I beheading to bed soon.


40 posted on 01/29/2012 7:25:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for not losing your head over my being gone all evening. You’re a true, cerebral friend.


41 posted on 01/29/2012 8:03:36 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady

I noggin to reply again until the morrow.


42 posted on 01/29/2012 8:10:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m headin’ out myself. See you then.


43 posted on 01/29/2012 8:22:03 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SunkenCiv

A better article on this same subject is here:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2012/01/archeologists-viking-massacre-came-to-unexpected-ending/1

How it sometimes ended, suggests an archeological study in the current Oxford Journal of Archeology. In the study led by Mark Pollard of the United Kingdom’s University of Oxford, archeologists thought they had uncovered the victims of England’s St. Brice’s Day Massacre in 1002 A.D.

The 1002 massacre was “a most just extermination” in the words of King Aethelred the Unready, of Danes cluttering up the English countryside that took place at St. Frideswide’s Church, now Christ Church Cathedral, in Oxford. Scandinavian Viking raiders had harried the English coast in the Middle Ages, expeditions that lasted two centuries, creating long-lasting friction between Danes and Saxons. The massacre victims (who reportedly included the sister of Denmark’s King Sweyn Forkbeard, who along with Aethelred the Unready, is worth mentioning just for the sake of wondering why kings today have such boring names) had walled themselves for sanctuary inside a church, which the townsfolk burned down to murder them. “Afterwards, with God’s aid, it was renewed by me,” King Aethelread noted in a royal proclamation on rebuilding the church.

So, when archeologists found the bones of at least 33 men, and two teenagers, in an ancient ditch near the massacre site four years ago, some supposed they had found some of the massacre victims. “The skeletal remains were dumped in a mass grave, and had clearly been thrown in one on top of another,” said the study, noting the bones showed, “multiple serious perimortem (around the time of death) injuries, most commonly multiple blade wounds, as well as many healed wounds, suggesting they may have been professional soldiers..”

“Several of the skeletons showed evidence of charring, which was not reflected in the local grave fill, suggesting that they had been exposed to burning before burial – an observation which heightened the suspicion that these may be some of the victims of the burning of St Frideswide’s Church.”

“Taken together, this evidence left little doubt that these bodies were the result of a mass execution,” said the authors.

But something a bit unexpected turned up when the archeologists tried carbon dating of the bones from three of the skeletons.

“The radiocarbon dates are very consistent,” found the researchers, “...but with calibrated age ranges which do not encompass ‘expected’ date of AD 1002.” Instead the age range of the bones was somewhere from 940 to 970 A.D.

Well. Perhaps the seafood diet of Danes might result in a shift in the type of carbon in their bones. This “marine reservoir effect” that can throw off carbon dating by as much as 400 years, the team suggested.

To figure out what sort of diet the dead men ate, the researchers poured acid on the bones to collect collagen and analyzed their oxygen and strontium contents, which should reveal a diet either heavy on the fish (Vikings) or heavy on the grains (English). They also looked at similar chemistry in a few of the skeletons’ molars. The results confirmed that the men ate a diet heavy in fish that looks more Scandinavian than English, but didn’t budge the age estimate much.

So, what did we have in the ditch at Oxford? A pretty bad day for some Viking raiders, conclude the researchers:

“...we feel encouraged to conclude that this group might also represent a mixed group of professional soldiers, perhaps a raiding party with Scandinavian origins, which could include Denmark and southern Norway or Sweden. That it represents the outcome of the documented massacre at St Frideswide’s Church in AD 1002 currently seems unlikely. The evidence of perimortem (around the time of death) burning and trauma is consistent with the story of the burning of the church, but the presence of healed blade wounds is more likely in a group of professional warriors, rather than in a group of residents of Danish extraction rounded up and executed. At the moment it seems more plausible to suggest that what we have is a group of raiders captured and executed, probably around the later tenth century, but not necessarily directly related to the St Brice’s Day Massacre.”


44 posted on 01/30/2012 5:54:02 AM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: sphinx
This is a tough one: Viking invaders executed by the Anglo-Saxons. Who does Obama apologize to?

Easy, the vikings. Why? Glad you asked. As aggressors against a western civilization the vikings were obviously the superior culture and should be apologized to.

"carter - now available in black" obama always sides against the west and always against the victim.

Pray for obama. Psalm 109:8-9

45 posted on 01/30/2012 7:35:12 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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