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Read Aldous Huxley’s review of 1984 he sent to George Orwell
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Posted on 03/06/2012 11:42:56 AM PST by DogByte6RER

Read Aldous Huxley’s review of 1984 he sent to George Orwell

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Several months after George Orwell's dystopian classic 1984 was published in 1949, Aldous Huxley sent a letter to his former French pupil. The Brave New World author had received a copy of 1984 from the publisher at Orwell's behest, but his poor eyesight prevented him from finishing the book for several months.

In his letter to Orwell, the fifty-year-old author compared the two books' screwed-up futures and saw the Orwellian Oceanic dystopia as a predecessor to his own World State. Wrote Huxley in October 1949:

Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals - the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution - the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual's psychology and physiology - are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesner, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud's inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war - in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

Truly the cheerful correspondance. Who needs a game of Centrifugal Bumble-Puppy to raise their spirits?


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Wrightwood. Cal. 21 October, 1949

Dear Mr. Orwell,

It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book. It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual's psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesner, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud's inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

Thank you once again for the book.

Yours sincerely,

Aldous Huxley

Ref. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/1984-v-brave-new-world.html

1 posted on 03/06/2012 11:43:02 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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2 posted on 03/06/2012 11:45:25 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

These blokes are advancing every more rapidly on all fronts in all respects and ways.

http://twoday.net/static/omega/files/quotes_from_people_who_consider_us_subjects.htm

I agree with some . . . ignorantly forbidden . . . commentators . . .

Iran will be struck

WW3 will ensue in short order . . .

whether in weeks or months . . . sooner than any want.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 11:52:37 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: DogByte6RER
LONG LIVE THE TRUTH.

Not only is evil advanced by failure for the good to speak up . . .

Evil is also advanced by those who hide, forbid, the truth . . . pretend that the truth is not true . . . pretend that the truth is merely kooky theory etc.

Some good, mostly loveable conservatives are going to have lots of blood on their hands before the dust settles because they censored the uncomfortable truth.

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4 posted on 03/06/2012 12:10:42 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: DogByte6RER
Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience

Huxley was right on the money

5 posted on 03/06/2012 12:26:17 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DogByte6RER

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/totalitarianism/english/e_lat
“Whoever feels the value of literature, whoever sees the central part it plays in the development of human history, must also see the life and death necessity of resisting totalitarianism, whether it is imposed on us from without or from within.”


6 posted on 03/06/2012 12:39:07 PM PST by tumblindice (Baby made boom boom)
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To: DogByte6RER
The Century of the Self. Long but well worth your time. Explains a lot, and expands on Huxley's comments about Freud and hypnotism.

Watch here.
7 posted on 03/06/2012 12:49:14 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ..

END TIMES PING LIST PING

Sorry, A-G—just a video, I think. I didn’t check the comments section for transcript yet, though

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9167657690296627941#

A worthy video . . . some history of how we got where we are with our satanic hedonistic globalist culture


8 posted on 03/06/2012 1:11:48 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Huxley and Orwell weren't just mere scifi writers...

They were modern day prophets delivering their predictions in novel format!

The "Brave New World" of "1984" is here now in Amerika!

Welcome to the Obamanation!

9 posted on 03/06/2012 1:23:34 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Quix; AuntB; B4Ranch; All

” new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we’ve all worked toward for so long.” President George Bush (January 1991)

2. “The world can therefore seize the opportunity [Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind.”

George Herbert Walker Bush

Global Socialism knows no political party.....and Jorge, there IS no “universal aspiration of mankind” you hopeless twit!!


10 posted on 03/06/2012 1:33:47 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: GeronL
... Huxley was right on the money

Huxley was describing The Frankfurt School and Gramsci's cultural marxism which has been extraordinarily successful.

Orwell's Brave New World treatment is reserved for those who resist. Huxley and Orwells visions are sort of a good cop / bad cop duo.

Both men were prescient.
11 posted on 03/06/2012 1:38:23 PM PST by khelus
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To: stephenjohnbanker
... Global Socialism knows no political party.....and Jorge, there IS no “universal aspiration of mankind” you hopeless twit!!

Global Socialism has been very extremely clever in creating a story for the ‘left’ about economic, social, educational, sexual, and environmental ‘justice’, 'sustainability', 'concensus' and a story for the ‘right’ about ‘Free Trade’, the flawed theory of 'comparative advantage', free movement of goods and people, open borders, jobs Americans can't/won't do, compassionate amnesty, and short term profits with no reference to patriotism or morality.

Both stories lead to the same place - destruction of the American economy, national security, traditional culture, values and its pesky middle class under the tyranny of global communism.

The 'left' identify themselves progressives and put a D after their names; the 'right' identify themselves compassionate conservatives and put an R after their names.
12 posted on 03/06/2012 1:50:27 PM PST by khelus
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To: khelus

Huxley saw that they would encourage sexual immorality as a sort of bread and circuses distraction and they have.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 1:54:21 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: tang-soo
The Century of the Self. Long but well worth your time. Explains a lot, and expands on Huxley's comments about Freud and hypnotism. ...

Thanks. The Century of the Self looks very interesting.

Have you read about NLP [NeuroLinguisitcProgramming] a form of hypnosis used in speaking?

Obama's use of hidden hypnosis in his speech.
14 posted on 03/06/2012 2:00:56 PM PST by khelus
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To: Mad Dawgg

I don’t think they were spiritually prophetic.

I think they just knew folks like these:

http://twoday.net/static/omega/files/quotes_from_people_who_consider_us_subjects.htm

Who even back then had long been working hard to bring about such social, political, economic, religious changes right in step with the Biblical predictions.

An interesting question. I just bet it was from their family relationships that they knew what was being planned and brought into being.


15 posted on 03/06/2012 2:04:05 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: khelus

I would like to frame your post. You nailed it in just a couple of paragraphs.


16 posted on 03/06/2012 2:04:28 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

INDEED.


17 posted on 03/06/2012 2:04:28 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ex-Texan; Chode; Lazamataz; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; ...

INDEED.

What do y’all think are the main reasons that

CONSERVATIVES . . . mostly Christians . . .

usually skeptical of the MSM

Sooooo faithfully on FR, believe the MSM about key elements of such goings on?

Mystifies me.

___Is it pride?

___Locked to firmly into their biases?

___Gross entrenched cluelessness?

___Gross entrenched ignorance?

___Gross entrenched stubborn ‘know-it-all’ bullheadedness?

___Fantasies and wishful thinking?

___Gross denial?

What?

Hollywood Producer of the movie T... P.... (dare not even list the movie) knew the score from an elite friend. Yet, I dare not even post a link to his insider info here. Sad.

The Republic is being shredded in the wood chipper as quickly as OThuga and his elite bosses can crash it around all our ears . . . and Conservatives can’t even tell the truth to each other? Mystifying.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 2:11:31 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Tnanks


19 posted on 03/06/2012 2:22:45 PM PST by khelus
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To: Quix

” The Republic is being shredded in the wood chipper as quickly as OThuga and his elite bosses can crash it around all our ears . . . and Conservatives can’t even tell the truth to each other? Mystifying.”

It is INDEED mystifying.


20 posted on 03/06/2012 2:26:15 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Quix
Have either of you read Bezmenov?

" . . . They are contaminated; they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind[s], even if you expose them to authentic information, even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior. In other words, these people... the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible . . ." Yuri Bezmenov 1984 Three Two One

'All warfare is based primarily on the deception of an enemy. Fighting on a battlefield is the most primitive way of making war. There is no art higher than to destroy your enemy without a fight—by SUBVERTING anything of value in the enemy’s country.' Sun Tzu Chinese philosopher 500 B.C. Intro
21 posted on 03/06/2012 2:43:54 PM PST by khelus
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To: khelus

” There is no art higher than to destroy your enemy without a fight—by SUBVERTING anything of value in the enemy’s country.’ Sun Tzu “

Obama must have read it too......

I will read Yuri


22 posted on 03/06/2012 2:50:24 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DogByte6RER
“the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual’s psychology and physiology”

This is an excellent letter. It is full of interesting observations about both Huxley's and Orwell's books. I have recently reread 1984. The plot is seems much more simplistic than I noticed before but the insights were remarkably astute. It helps to understand the Democrat Party in the Age of Obama.

Also interesting are Huxley's observation that the power hungry totalitarians were more flexible and innovative than Orwell thought.

Orwell based his observations on his relationships with members of the British Communist Party and British socialists who sponsored his writing career and arranged for his passage to Spain to participate in the Spanish Civil War. Huxley for saw a larger conspiracy.

Orwell saw they wanted to control the country and deprive citizens of their possessions, their freedom and their very souls. Huxley also saw they wanted to destroy men's souls but that their tactics would evolve.

They were both extremely insightful and prescient. Their work accurately predicted politics in America today.

23 posted on 03/06/2012 2:54:41 PM PST by detective
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To: khelus; Quix

Herbert London refutes White’s proposition by observing, “...if history is largely invention, who can say with authority that the American Revolution came before the French Revolution?” He observes that evidence has takmen a back seat to inventiveness. He thus cuts right to the chase — the inventions of postmodernism, which are cutting successive generations of Americans off from their culture and their history, evolved directly from the ‘cultural Marxist’ scholars of the Frankfurt School.
How did this situation come about in America’s universities? Gertrude Himmelfarb has observed [14] that it slipped past those traditional academics almost unobserved until it was too late. It occurred so ‘quietly’ that when they ‘looked up,’ postmodernism was upon them with a vengeance. “They were surrounded by a tidal wave of faddish multicultural subjects such as radical feminism, deconstructed relativism as history and other courses” which undermine the perpetuation of Western Civilization. “

There you are. I was in college in the early to mid 1970’s,
and I saw the transformation first hand. It was ugly then, now it is lost.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 2:58:18 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: khelus

Thanks.

I’d come across him somewhere along the way but never read much. Thanks for the links.

Plenty true.

It’s just so dishearteningly mystifying to see it soooo

true even with Conservative Christians on FR.


25 posted on 03/06/2012 3:23:48 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thanks for your kind reply.


26 posted on 03/06/2012 3:24:48 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; ...

Charlotte Iserbyt was Director of Policy for Ronald Reagan . . . until she realized how far the evil globalists had gone in destroying patriotic Constitutional education in behalf of their satanic evil purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Charlotte+Iserbyt&oq=Charlotte+Iserbyt&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=19127427l19133723l0l19133944l26l24l5l7l7l0l335l2310l2.6.3.1l12l0


General Boykin Fierce patriotic Christian:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=General+Boykin&oq=General+Boykin&aq=f&aqi=g2g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=65232l69511l0l70549l27l19l1l1l0l1l290l2758l2.7.6l16l0


Al Cuppett—on Joint Chiefs of staff. A bit rabid about KJV but an earnest Christian with lots of info about END TIMES and global government traitors—more than a little radical about the KJV—believes folks reading other translations won’t even make Heaven. Sigh. Nevertheless, he has a lot of good insider info.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Al+Cuppett&oq=Al+Cuppett&aq=f&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=43751l47060l0l48529l19l13l0l2l2l1l286l1816l0.4.5l11l0


Lindsey Williams—Chaplain of Northslope. My friends who work on the Northslope insist Chaplain Williams is quite accurate about the oil facts. His timing of future events has been off from what the Globalists told him but usually not enormously off.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Llindsey+Williams&oq=Llindsey+Williams&aq=f&aqi=g-s10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=29764l33804l0l38693l33l17l0l0l0l1l348l2790l4.4.2.4l16l0


27 posted on 03/06/2012 3:33:29 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; khelus

The beginning od the downfall of America was the late 1960’s. All the virtuous, and traditional things we held dear were trashed.
The liberals in my jr. HS immediately picked up the leftist ball, and ran with it(1967-69). In senior HS, it grew “progressively” worse. By the time I graduated in 1972, the transition to leftism was almost complete.
From 1972-1976, I watched most of the young professors move decidedly to the left. By the late 1970’s those young leftist professors became “tenured radicals”. They eventually moved up in rank and power, and most often hired only their own......conservatives need not apply. By the mid 1980’s, the left had complete control of most universities. The “dumbing down” of America was at full throttle. Now in 2012, it is a near hopeless cause,as we have NO leadership on our side.


28 posted on 03/06/2012 3:43:43 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Quix; All

For those who are, in PC parlance bandwidth challenged, here’s Iserbyt’s web site:

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/


29 posted on 03/06/2012 3:44:14 PM PST by khelus
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FR conservatives, these days I’m using the word hesitantly, generally receive all of their news and entertainment from the MSM. Therefore they are being fed misinformation and disinformation 24/7.

The debates on FR are always attempting to determine which category of these two the news article under discussion should be filed under. I laugh when people get angry at each other over such foolishness. Manure is still manure unless you are selling it then it becomes high grade fertilizer.

Self reliance is a new character trait that’s being worn by many people. It feels quite uncomfortable to say the least. This is a new lifestyle for many. They are continually glancing back to see what the crowd is doing, hoping they are in step. The closest similarity is unfortunately still a herd of sheep.

The change to becoming a sheep dog is a quite struggle. It requires casting aside many old beliefs and having to think for yourself. The once impossible thought such as brushing aside the media drivel about “death by natural causes” is then is replaced with the word “assassination” is a definite possibility, sometimes even a clear probability which goes 180 degrees against the grain of sheep thought patterns. Stepping outside the boundaries of four or five decades of social engineering is not an easy task because there are so many tentacles constantly attempting to pull you back into formation.

Critical thinking is another new sport for a healthy percentage. Unfortunately, sheep cannot do it. The worst thing for many is to be called a conspiracy freak by their ‘faceless internet friends’. “No, I am not a birther” was a cry heard frequently on FR. Yet Sheriff Arpaio has said that there is a 100% certainty the the Acting President’s LFBC is a fake. The moderators on FR wish the issue would fade away. They were hoping that removing the Breaking News sidebar would do the trick. Nope, like psoriasis it will keep showing up until the cause of the bacteria is discovered and removed.


30 posted on 03/06/2012 3:48:00 PM PST by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
My time frame is close to yours; you are correct. I was fortunate to go to non-public grade and high schools that were way behind the times in what and how they taught. In college I was a science major, and science hadn't been infiltrated . . . yet. Now in NJ the state college of medicine BOASTS of an Office of Diversity!

Office of Diversity and Academic Success in the Sciences
31 posted on 03/06/2012 3:57:37 PM PST by khelus
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To: stephenjohnbanker
There you are. I was in college in the early to mid 1970’s,
and I saw the transformation first hand. It was ugly then, now it is lost.

I remember that Propaganda Analysis was a required course to graduate so that we would understand how we were being lied to. Readers Digest was part of the reading material.

It is worthy to note that that course is no longer required now that the left is in charge.

32 posted on 03/06/2012 4:04:33 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: B4Ranch

“Natural causes”.......I posted elsewhere on FR “ In a world that operates pretty much at random, coincidences are to be suspected, not ignored.”

As for Arpaio, I watched for 1 1/2 hours, while his crew proved, step by step, that the Birth Certificate was a computer manufactured FRAUD. Same with the SS card.Almost nobody covered it.


33 posted on 03/06/2012 4:11:27 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: khelus

How can you get even one C, and get into Med school?

Which doctor do you think I am going to? One of these guys, or one smart enough to get their on his own.


34 posted on 03/06/2012 4:17:35 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“theirs” that is : )


35 posted on 03/06/2012 4:19:22 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

VERY WELL PUT.

SIGH.

The first section of quotes below is from my usual link.

Below that is another link and some newer-to-FR quotes . . . including, I hope, soon, a Bertrand Russell quote I’ve been looking for again . . . about mass psychology etc.

Didn’t yet find the Bertrand Russell quote. Basically, he said that mass psychology would manipulate the sheeple into doing what the controllers wanted fairly painlessly. The sheeple have proven him too right.

http://twoday.net/static/omega/files/quotes_from_people_who_consider_us_subjects.htm

95.”Psychopolitics is an important if less known division of geo-politics. It is less known because it must necessarily deal with “mental healing.” “By Psychopolitics our chief goals are carried forward. To produce a maximum of chaos in the culture of the enemy is our first most important step.” “Our fruits are grown in chaos, distrust, economic depression, and scientific turmoil. At last a weary populace can seek peace only in our offered Communist State; at last only Communism can resolve the problem of the masses.” Laventi Beria Stalin’s chief of security Speech at V. I. Lenin University

132.”Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days, 1976

133.”The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.” Henry Kissinger

11. “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets.

22. “In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. “An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.” U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

33.”For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn’t. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared “ammunition” in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.
“The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. “The depression was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.” Curtis Dall, FDR’s son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

79. “There is... a power which we seldom mention in this House. ..... They do not want constitutional government; they do not want ameliorated institutions... they want to change the tenure of land, to drive out the present owners of the soil and put an end to ecclesiastical establishments... Benjamin Disraeli Bristish Prime Minister July 14, 1856 speech in the House of Commons

87.Lucis Trust NGO officially recognized by the UN, incorporated in 1924 as Lucifer Publishing, identifies Lucifer as the “Solar Logos” (logos - greek for “spirit”) World Goodwill. sister organization

94.”The Masters are working according to a Plan... which will demonstrate a large measure of world unity... marked by universality... “The Plan is concerned with re-building mankind... As human beings begin to take the higher initiations... the true nature of the divine Will [she means satan’s will] will be grasped...” Alice Bailey 24 books published by Lucis Trust The Beacon Sept-Oct 1975 pp. 145-148

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1928: H.G. Wells authored The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution. By then he had broken with the Fabians, not in terms of their goals, but only in believing that they should be open about their plan to synthesize western capitalism with eastern communism, and create a world socialist government. In a later book titled The New World Order, Wells said that many would die protesting against it.[26] In the same year as The Open Conspiracy was published, H.G. Wells received a letter from Bertrand Russell congratulating him, and saying:

“(Lord R.B.) Haldane (FS) would not forego the pleasure to be derived from the next war.”[27]

Bertrand Russell would later write that a “Black Death” or bacteriological warfare might be needed to cull the population.[28] Wells had already written that ‘they would have a cause that “would make killing worth the while.”[29]

In his book, A New Deal, future New Deal Resettlement Administration and UNESCO, consultant Stuart Chase wrote: “A better economic order is worth a little bloodshed.” Stuart Chase advocated joining H.G. Wells’ “Open Conspiracy.”[30]

1928: John Dewey wrote an article for the December 5 issue of The New Republic magazine in which he noted that the Bolsheviks were engaged in:

“’...a most interesting sociological experiment,’ ... and using progressive educational ideas and practices to ‘...counteract and transform... the influence of home and Church.’”[31]

The following year, in his book, Individualism, Old and New, Dewey predicted: “We are in for some kind of socialism, call it by whatever name we please.”[32]

1928: When William Paley (CFR) was beginning CBS, his chief advisor was Sigmund Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, who authored the book, Propaganda, in which he revealed:

“Those who manipulate the organized habits and opinions of the masses constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of the country.”[34]

1933: On April 11, Max Mason, president of the Rockefeller Foundation, assured his trustees that in their program:

“The Social Sciences will concern themselves with the rationalization of social control , ... the control of human behavior.”[35]

Four years later, the foundation gave a grant to Princeton University to study the influence of radio on different groups, and Rockefeller’s General Education Board funded a study of CBS’s 1938 broadcast of War of the Worlds, which was written up later as a ‘study in the psychology of panic.’”[36]


36 posted on 03/06/2012 4:36:16 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: khelus

THANKS THANKS.

I should use that one, too.


37 posted on 03/06/2012 4:36:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: sitetest; SunkenCiv; neverdem

Thought-you-might-like-to-see-this-ping...


38 posted on 03/06/2012 4:39:29 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: DogByte6RER

Huxley was at the inception something of an LSD prophet....even tripping into death on some high octane Sandoz

I listened well I confess....we were so into all that...he....Watts and others

Did it help?

You can be frank..lol


39 posted on 03/06/2012 4:54:48 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

As for Arpaio, I watched for 1 1/2 hours, while his crew proved, step by step, that the Birth Certificate was a computer manufactured FRAUD. Same with the SS card.Almost nobody covered it.

“The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.”

Apparently it was too much for some FReepers (no names needed) to bear.


40 posted on 03/06/2012 6:21:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are.)
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To: B4Ranch

I knew Obama and his history was fraudulent, when that unspeakably phony “original” BC was foating around. Now anyone who watched that presentation on ABC TV,CH 15 Phoenix,KNOWS that Obama is a total FRAUD, and almost certainly was born elsewhere.


41 posted on 03/06/2012 7:08:14 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Pharmboy; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

I believe the working title was "The Last Man on Earth". Could be my faulty memory though. Thanks Pharmboy.
I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesner, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.
Denial of those discoveries is one of the foundation stones of the skepticultist movement.


42 posted on 03/06/2012 7:47:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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Nineteen Eighty-Four
by George Orwell
(from chapter 17)
On a scarlet-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, contorted with hatred, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth an endless catalogue of atrocities, massacres, deportations, lootings, rapings, torture of prisoners, bombing of civilians, lying propaganda, unjust aggressions, broken treaties. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage ! The agents of Goldstein had been at work ! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed.

The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax... Oceania was at war with Eastasia : Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete.

43 posted on 03/06/2012 7:54:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: PeterPrinciple; stephenjohnbanker
I remember that Propaganda Analysis was a required course to graduate so that we would understand how we were being lied to. Readers Digest was part of the reading material.

It is worthy to note that that course is no longer required now that the left is in charge.


Thanks for reminding me. We were taught how to analyse advertisements for the same reason.
44 posted on 03/07/2012 4:36:56 AM PST by khelus
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To: B4Ranch; stephenjohnbanker
re post: As for Arpaio, I watched for 1 1/2 hours, while his crew proved, step by step, that the Birth Certificate was a computer manufactured FRAUD. Same with the SS card.Almost nobody covered it.

“The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.”

Response: Apparently it was too much for some FReepers (no names needed) to bear.


Considering that the fraudulent BC speaks to rule of law and massive governmental corruption, what amazed me is that the reaction was flat out denial using Alinsky techniques.

I am in awe at Arpaio's bravery.
45 posted on 03/07/2012 4:50:19 AM PST by khelus
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To: DogByte6RER

Thanks for the post. This has turned out to be an extremely interesting thread.


46 posted on 03/07/2012 4:56:41 AM PST by khelus
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To: Quix

I hate everything in the world.


47 posted on 03/07/2012 8:00:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (Today. I shall report evey single thing I see to the admin.)
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To: B4Ranch

Sometimes one wonders . . .

Are some conservatives seriously interested in their own welfare and the welfare of the Republic . . .

or just interested in sitting in a circle and . . . (mentally or otherwise) . . .

Or maybe pretending their heart rates are slightly increasing over relatively inconsequential froth as though it were something significant.

Or maybe fantasizing and the like that an extra phone call or two here; a vote or two there . . . will be sufficient to allow them to go back to ‘Dancing with the Stars’ or other chaff of ‘eternal’ [eternally daming] import.

Or maybe they are chronically lost in the delusion that nothing greatly is going to significantly alter our lives . . . OThuga will pass sooner or later . . . WW3 will be averted yet again vs set up, planned and lit off; fallen angels don’t exist or will leave us alone; globalism can’t be as bad as kooks like Quix claim; the one world religion is a myth or won’t involve the Pope; food, circuses and TV will always be available; yadda yadda yadda;

I still pray that may God have mercy on such willful ignorance. Sometimes, more and more frequently . . . I wonder if mercy is warranted.


48 posted on 03/07/2012 8:42:00 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lazamataz

This wonderful narrative of a true Heavenly experience might well encourage you:

http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Little-Astounding-ebook/dp/B004A90BXS/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1331138668&sr=1-2

I just reread Colton’s assertions recently. Was just as encouraging the 2nd time.

Very Biblical and practical . . . and congruent with other quality narratives I’ve read.

LUB BRO. Keep the faith. Nothing else is WORTH keeping.


49 posted on 03/07/2012 8:46:54 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: khelus; B4Ranch

” I am in awe at Arpaio’s bravery.”

His biography is well worth a read. Arpaio has been a fearless warrior all of his life.


50 posted on 03/07/2012 10:22:45 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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