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New Planet Found in Our Solar System?
National Geographic ^ | 5/11/12 | Richard A. Lovett

Posted on 05/12/2012 3:44:38 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Odd orbits of remote objects hint at unseen world, new calculations suggest.

An as yet undiscovered planet might be orbiting at the dark fringes of the solar system, according to new research.

Too far out to be easily spotted by telescopes, the potential unseen planet appears to be making its presence felt by disturbing the orbits of so-called Kuiper belt objects, said Rodney Gomes, an astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro.

Kuiper belt objects are small icy bodies—including some dwarf planets—that lie beyond the orbit of Neptune.

Once considered the ninth planet in our system, the dwarf planet Pluto, for example, is one of the largest Kuiper belt objects, at about 1,400 miles (2,300 kilometers) wide. Dozens of the other objects are hundreds of miles across, and more are being discovered every year.

What's intriguing, Gomes said, is that, according to his new calculations, about a half dozen Kuiper belt objects—including the remote body known as Sedna—are in strange orbits compared to where they should be, based on existing solar system models. (Related: "Pluto Neighbor Gets Downsized.")

The objects' unexpected orbits have a few possible explanations, said Gomes, who presented his findings Tuesday at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Oregon.

"But I think the easiest one is a planetary-mass solar companion"—a planet that orbits very far out from the sun but that's massive enough to be having gravitational effects on Kuiper belt objects.

Mystery Planet a Captured Rogue?

For the new work, Gomes analyzed the orbits of 92 Kuiper belt objects, then compared his results to computer models of how the bodies should be distributed, with and without an additional planet.

If there's no distant world, Gomes concludes, the models don't produce the highly elongated orbits we see for six of the objects.

How big exactly the planetary body might be isn't clear, but there are a lot of possibilities, Gomes added.

Based on his calculations, Gomes thinks a Neptune-size world, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sun—about 1,500 times farther than Earth—would do the trick.

But so would a Mars-size object—roughly half Earth's size—in a highly elongated orbit that would occasionally bring the body sweeping to within 5 billion miles (8 billion kilometers) of the sun.

Gomes speculates that the mystery object could be a rogue planet that was kicked out of its own star system and later captured by the sun's gravity. (See "'Nomad' Planets More Common Than Thought, May Orbit Black Holes.")

Or the putative planet could have formed closer to our sun, only to be cast outward by gravitational encounters with other planets.

However, actually finding such a world would be a challenge.

To begin with, the planet might be pretty dim. Also, Gomes's simulations don't give astronomers any clue as to where to point their telescopes—"it can be anywhere," he said.

No Smoking Gun

Other astronomers are intrigued but say they'll want a lot more proof before they're willing to agree that the solar system—again—has nine planets. (Also see "Record Nine-Planet Star System Discovered?")

"Obviously, finding another planet in the solar system is a big deal," said Rory Barnes, an astronomer at the University of Washington. But, he added, "I don't think he really has any evidence that suggests it is out there."

Instead, he added, Gomes "has laid out a way to determine how such a planet could sculpt parts of our solar system. So while, yes, the evidence doesn't exist yet, I thought the bigger point was that he showed us that there are ways to find that evidence."

Douglas Hamilton, an astronomer from the University of Maryland, agrees that the new findings are far from definitive.

"What he showed in his probability arguments is that it's slightly more likely. He doesn't have a smoking gun yet."

And Hal Levison, an astronomer at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, says he isn't sure what to make of Gomes's finding.

"It seems surprising to me that a [solar] companion as small as Neptune could have the effect he sees," Levison said.

But "I know Rodney, and I'm sure he did the calculations right."


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: browndwarf; catastrophism; douglashamilton; found; hallevison; kuiperbelt; kuiperbeltobjects; nibiru; planet; planetx; rodneygomes; rogueplanet; rogueplanets; rorybarnes; sedna; solar; system; xplanets

1 posted on 05/12/2012 3:44:52 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

2 posted on 05/12/2012 3:52:08 AM PDT by Bullish
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To: LibWhacker

I’ve got a very old atlas that shows 13 planets with their stats and orbits.


3 posted on 05/12/2012 4:04:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: LibWhacker
All kinds of stuff out there lurking in the dark.

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4 posted on 05/12/2012 4:09:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: LibWhacker

Didn’t we just get rid of a planet?


5 posted on 05/12/2012 4:44:23 AM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: Bullish

“Fascinating”.


6 posted on 05/12/2012 4:46:22 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: LibWhacker

We know so little.


7 posted on 05/12/2012 4:50:33 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: LibWhacker

The Obama administration and the BLS will just fudge the numbers to get the number of planets down to the historical average, and then blame Republicans for “gravitational anomalies that hurt the middle class”


8 posted on 05/12/2012 4:53:15 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: LibWhacker

Xenu.


9 posted on 05/12/2012 5:18:46 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: LibWhacker

Xenu.


10 posted on 05/12/2012 5:19:02 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: LibWhacker
unexpected orbits?
11 posted on 05/12/2012 5:23:29 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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To: LibWhacker
Sedna?

Quaoar?

Some other KBO?

12 posted on 05/12/2012 5:32:51 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: AndrewB

> Didn’t we just get rid of a planet?
Yeah, they got rid of Pluto and then replaced it with a new planet, Tyche, four times bigger than Jupiter.
Now we get this one. Have they named it yet?


13 posted on 05/12/2012 5:34:18 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack

urnostril


14 posted on 05/12/2012 5:43:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: LibWhacker
A highly elliptical orbit sounds oddly familiar. Sort of Sitchinesque.

Interesting timing to publish such a thing. Five billion miles wouldn't put it anywhere near Earth, but it would disrupt the Kuiper Belt pretty thoroughly.

15 posted on 05/12/2012 5:46:17 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: BuffaloJack

Ouranus. In the interest of inclusivity.


16 posted on 05/12/2012 5:48:07 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: LibWhacker

I’m still grieving the loss of Pluto.


17 posted on 05/12/2012 5:48:35 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

He was a good planet. Just getting himself turned around. Never bothered anybody. If thr orbit fits you must admit. Free Pluto!


18 posted on 05/12/2012 5:53:01 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: LibWhacker
New Planet Found in Our Solar System?

You know, a lot of this recent crap about Pluto seems to me more geared towards claiming older schoolbook science text is outdated so they can rewrite it and replace it with liberal crap.

19 posted on 05/12/2012 6:14:38 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: LibWhacker
Planet X
20 posted on 05/12/2012 6:20:54 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: fwdude

Me too.

Let’s call it Pluto II


21 posted on 05/12/2012 6:53:28 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: RegulatorCountry
He was a good planet. Just getting himself turned around. Never bothered anybody. If thr orbit fits you must admit. Free Pluto!

ROFL

He's just a planet whose intentions are good
Please don't let him be misunderstood

or mislabeled


22 posted on 05/12/2012 6:57:19 AM PDT by khelus
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To: LibWhacker

The universe is expanding, so the Kuiper Belt just had to be let out a couple notches.


23 posted on 05/12/2012 7:21:03 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: AndrewB
Didn’t we just get rid of a planet?

This little upstart is smaller than the last bozo we kicked out of the Solar System. Just let it try something funny...

24 posted on 05/12/2012 7:26:56 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

...and in these uncertain economic times, can we really afford a new planet? I think not!


25 posted on 05/12/2012 7:32:13 AM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah. These guys are channelling Zecharia.


26 posted on 05/12/2012 7:34:17 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: RegulatorCountry
If they don't name it Nibiru they have no sense of justice--or humor.
27 posted on 05/12/2012 7:38:00 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can, in fact must, shout fire in a crowded theatre. It just has to be the truth. " J. Goldberg)
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To: LibWhacker

Until we sure the borders around the solar system, these rogue planets are going to keep sneaking in here.


28 posted on 05/12/2012 7:41:47 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: fwdude
I'm still grieving the loss of Pluto.

Me too. I had seen 8 of the planets, including Marcury, Uranus, and Neptune, and had only Pluto to go when they took away its ID card. It's like if you were running a marathon and they suddenly put the finish line at the 22-mile mark and congratulated everyone for running a marathon when they got to that point.

There's something the matter with the world when Barack Obama gets a Nobel Peace Prize and Pluto gets its planetary status revoked. It wasn't doing anything wrong--it was obeying the laws of gravity and everything. It's not fair.

I once got to hear the late Clyde W. Tombaugh give a talk, back when Pluto was a planet. Wonderful experience.

29 posted on 05/12/2012 7:44:29 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: RegulatorCountry

He was always so aloof, cold and distant. We hardly knew anything about him. No one could reach him.


30 posted on 05/12/2012 7:47:37 AM PDT by Boiling point
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To: Savage Beast
I've always liked Nemesis..
31 posted on 05/12/2012 7:53:35 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Boiling point

Blaming the victim. That’s wassiss.


32 posted on 05/12/2012 7:57:47 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: LibWhacker
Is it this?


33 posted on 05/12/2012 9:30:48 AM PDT by moviefan8
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To: Verginius Rufus

Good points, all.

If you’ve got your own moon, you’re a planet, dang it!!!


34 posted on 05/12/2012 10:31:37 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: LibWhacker

ping


35 posted on 05/12/2012 11:17:33 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: eCSMaster

Yes, the orbits of Sedna and the other Kuiper Belt objects have perturbations in them that you wouldn’t expect in the absence of the hypothesized new planet. In other words, presumably, a new planet can explain these strange orbits. We haven’t seen the new planet yet, but we can see the gravitational effects it’s having on the other objects near it. It’s not proof there’s a new planet out there, but it’s consistent with it. So they are looking, either to rule it in or rule it out.


36 posted on 05/12/2012 12:23:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Verginius Rufus
> I once got to hear the late Clyde W. Tombaugh give a talk, back when Pluto was a planet. Wonderful experience.

His sister was my 5th grade teacher.

37 posted on 05/12/2012 1:24:51 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: moviefan8

That’s no moon. It’s a space station.


38 posted on 05/12/2012 2:11:24 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: fwdude
Pluto is now known to have at least 4 moons--more than the four innermost planets combined.

According to the Wikipedia article on Pluto, Percival Lowell's widow Constance first proposed the name "Zeus" for the newly-discovered object, then "Percival," then "Constance." The name Pluto was first proposed by an 11-year-old English girl named Venetia Burney, whose grandfather's brother was the person who came up with "Phobos" and "Deimos" for the moons of Mars.

39 posted on 05/12/2012 2:48:18 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ADemocratNoMore

Tombaugh was in his 80s when I heard him talk, but he was full of passion and excitement about astronomy. If his sister was anything like him, you were fortunate to have her as a teacher.


40 posted on 05/12/2012 2:52:15 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: decimon; brytlea; cripplecreek; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; married21; steelyourfaith; Mmogamer; ...

An “extra, extra” ping to the APoD list, plus this sidebar:

Galileo’s notebooks may reveal secrets of new planet
University of Melbourne | Jul 9, 2009 | Unknown
Posted on 07/09/2009 7:04:30 AM PDT by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2288838/posts


41 posted on 05/14/2012 3:38:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks LibWhacker.

 
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42 posted on 05/14/2012 3:40:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Note: this topic is from 5/12/2012. Thanks LibWhacker.



43 posted on 08/27/2013 8:07:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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