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Preppers: What will happen long after the S has HTF?

Posted on 10/19/2012 10:08:13 PM PDT by Feline_AIDS

Preppers,

I'm new to this prepping thing, and I have some questions.

I don't know exactly what you're all prepping for, because I know there are different concerns in different parts of the country. Californians, for example, are more concerned about the big one than I am on the east coast. I'm more concerned about an EMP than people in Wyoming, probably.

But what about when the SHTF? I'm assuming by SHTF everyone means economic and thus governmental collapse. Is that right? No more USA?

I have some questions that are ignorant and simple, but I was born that way, so bear with me.

Even when the SHTF, the government of the United States will persist, simply because the government is the original prepper. Mt. Weather facility and all that. So what we really mean by "governmental collapse" is extreme lawlessness and no new goods or resources. Plus government non-intervention. The government may exist, but that doesn't change the fact that hungry/thirsty/angry people will be fighting for resources. When the SHTF, Americans will have to be self-reliant without any support from any public utility or service. Many, many people will die. Many more will be desperate and act in ways they'd never imagine before they die.

How long do you all expect this state of things to last? If all public utilities in the US were permanently shut off, wouldn't it only be a matter of weeks before the great die-off happened? Dehydration would get most of them, then the rapid spread of waterborne illnesses would get lots of those left. Gangs would form and survive longer through unpleasant means. When will the well-prepped prepper stick his head out of his hidey-hole?

Because the government will persist in some capacity, it's reasonable to expect they'd eventually try to straighten things out. Maybe I'm crazy for thinking that, and I don't mean that the correct response to disaster is to sit and wait for Uncle Sam to carry us out on his shoulders. What I mean is that I don't see how the SHTF situation would last more than 6 months, max. A new, smaller society would form and rebuild, most likely without the tech we have today because the industries that support that tech would be gone.

I guess I'm just trying to reconcile two things in my brain. 1) The US government will be present in some form not too long after the catastrophe. Less than a year. Not in its ubiquitous wannabe-omnipotent present state, but it would return. This doesn't mean safety or salvation, but it probably does mean cooperation. Possibly the return of some order. And some society would develop that is fueled by the self-reliance of the remaining people. 2) Most preppers seem to be expecting a lifetime of bushcraft.

Parting thought: If Obama wins reelection, I will take prepping much more seriously in the next few weeks/months. If he doesn't, I will continue to prep for more localized catastrophes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; History; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: bugout; economiccollapse; preppers; shtf; vanity; zombies
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To: CodeToad
“Nope, and guys like me would easily come to your aid if those ‘inexperienced’ didn’t keep to themselves.”

You are saying you are an old guy? Come live here. Old guys know so much and are so capable in severe situations.

I think we need an “Old Timer Survival Club”. What a powerhouse that would be.

141 posted on 10/20/2012 12:22:19 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Marcella

Common theme. In Rescue Dive training, the mantra is do not turn a solo rescue into a double rescue.


142 posted on 10/20/2012 12:25:22 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Marcella
I don't kneecap people that piss me off, mostly, and I expect the same from others. That the big issue. Because I tend to piss people off. ;)

Kippered herring, stewed tomatoes and beer is traditional for Sunday mornings. Harumph!

You would have to make it here on your own after everything turns to crap. Bring food and EMT stuff. Don't try to sneak into the AO. It's not healthy.

/johnny

143 posted on 10/20/2012 12:26:48 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: doorgunner69
That IS the theme. If the EMT, such as myself, enters a bad situation and gets hurt/wounded, then the EMT just adds to the trouble.

Not long ago, just a month or so, I went to bed upstairs at 2 am, and took off my emergency pendent and dropped it on my bedside table. In a short time, there was a loud banging on my door. When I dropped the pendant, it hit something that punched it's button and it alerted the base unit downstairs and it called 911. Since I was upstairs, I didn't hear that happen.

I went to the door and it was like Christmas with so many flashing lights going. Two cop cars were there, the fire truck, and ambulance. There had to be 12 or so people standing there and the firemen were ready to tear down my door. I held out my pendant and said what happened and apologized profusely.

When they were convinced I was okay, the procession left my house. The police show up to make sure the situation outside isn't dangerous and are ready to deal with whatever is inside. After they make their outside assessment, the firemen are there to tear down the door and evacuate the patient from upstairs if that's where the patient is. The EMTs are there to deal with the medical emergency.

I think they were there within 8-10 minutes of the unit calling 911.

144 posted on 10/20/2012 12:42:24 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: Born to Conserve; Marcella; Feline_AIDS; JRandomFreeper; Red in Blue PA; driftdiver; CodeToad; ...
"If your neighbor breaks in to your house to steal your food for his children, will you shoot him?"

You haven't answered anyone else so I really don't expect an answer to this, but is your plan to standby and allow someone to steal your food the food meant for your family and do nothing? What if they just decide to kill you and family and take all you have is your plan to just stand there?
145 posted on 10/20/2012 12:50:20 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“What if they just decide to kill you and family and take all you have is your plan to just stand there?”

Anyone who breaks in will kill you - they have taken the killing path if they try to break in.


146 posted on 10/20/2012 12:59:41 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: no one in particular; Feline_AIDS; SWAMPSNIPER; Wyrd bið ful aræd; Winstons Julia; richardtavor; .

This year I’m considering Halloween decorations that include manikins nailed to trees, impaled, etc. and labeled with signs that say things like “Looter”, “Rioter”...

No particular need to take them down before the elections, I suppose.


147 posted on 10/20/2012 1:05:30 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1369 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

The closest thing we could have to a riot here is a fence down, and cows in the road......


148 posted on 10/20/2012 1:15:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: null and void
I don't know if my home owner's association would approve, but I like your style.
style
149 posted on 10/20/2012 1:16:10 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: tacticalogic

There is not here.

Earlier this week stupid cop accidentally shot a guy across the street from my front door.


150 posted on 10/20/2012 1:21:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1369 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I’d be moving......


151 posted on 10/20/2012 1:26:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Marcella

Not old enough, yet. Still young enough to think I’m not getting old. However, we youngins can’t let those oldtimers get beat on. Besides, after the bad guys were done beating up on you they’d just come after us, so we might as well take care of them while we know where they are.


152 posted on 10/20/2012 1:26:20 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: null and void

Nice! I like it. “Honest, officer, it was ‘ween decorations! I swear!”


153 posted on 10/20/2012 1:27:36 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: tacticalogic

I would cheerfully kill for a wafer fab job anywhere but California.


154 posted on 10/20/2012 1:31:41 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1369 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I brought up living like people lived 200 years ago. We have access to and can stockpile supplies that will significantly improve our lives that were not available 200 years ago, which is what makes your life expectancy bit irrelevant. We can stockpile antibiotics, chemicals to make bleach, things like that. Learning how to provide food for ourselves without industry to provide it is what I meant by living like people lived 200 years ago, which is why I specifically mentioned animal husbandry. Vegetables will be available much sooner than antibiotics or chemicals when the SHTF, so it seems wise to stockpile the things that will be more precious and more rare.

I've done that, btw, for over a year, in an unheated shack on the side of a mountain with no commercial electricity and only a manual well for water.

I guess, by your estimate, that was before you were 32.

155 posted on 10/20/2012 3:29:04 PM PDT by Feline_AIDS (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Feline_AIDS

a great book to read about this issue is called Earth Abides by Stewart.

It is the story of the return to sociatial functioning after a worldwide disaster.


156 posted on 10/20/2012 3:40:55 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

The end of the world as we know it might not happen, but where we live, we can have blizzards or ice storms and power outages that last for days.

That’s what we are prepping for. Fuel, canned goods, TP, dog food and coffee.


157 posted on 10/20/2012 3:46:57 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

and have it in my reference binder.

______________________

You have a BINDER?

I figured you must be anti woman /sarc


158 posted on 10/20/2012 4:02:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: null and void

we were married that I found out that not all that time she’d spent in mental hospitals was as staff...
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You are not kidding...


159 posted on 10/20/2012 4:12:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-ppression)
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To: Marcella
I think we need an “Old Timer Survival Club”. What a powerhouse that would be.

I keep trying to convince the silver-haired golf cart crowd in my AO to mount mini-guns on their vehicles. They can be so sneaky at times, moreso than those of us who still raise hell with noisy ATV/UTV's. ;)

160 posted on 10/20/2012 4:14:08 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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