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Google Hired A Man Who Believes He Will Bring His Father Back To Life [Misleading Title Alert!]
Business Insider ^ | 12/27/2012 | Nicholas Carlson

Posted on 12/27/2012 7:12:33 PM PST by SeekAndFind

A lot of what they build in Silicon Valley these days is pretty mundane: sexting apps, social games, and new ways to "share" things over the Internet.

So it's pretty exciting when you hear about someone who has some really crazy ideas for what the future might hold.

One such person is a new Google hire named Ray Kurzweil.

The geeks among you already know who he is.

But I only learned about him from a Bloomberg BusinessWeek story by Ashlee Vance.

In it, Vance writes about Kurzweil's plans to…

…Bring his dead father back to life.

…Help humanity “live long enough to live forever” and "transcend biology."

…Engineer the "singularity," which is in Vance's words, "the moment when superintelligent machines light up with something approximating life and either destroy humanity or carry it to unimaginable heights."

At Google, Kurzweil will have funding to pursue all these ambitions and more.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: google; raykurzweill; resurrection

1 posted on 12/27/2012 7:12:44 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“When I die, I don’t want a big fancy funeral, I just want a few of my close friends and family to get together, you know, and try to bring me back to life.” -maxwell Smart, Agent 86


2 posted on 12/27/2012 7:17:35 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: SeekAndFind

I just read today that Google has pulled their free sync application for calendars and contacts. Existing users can keep using at Bunday can’t put on new devices or set up new accounts. Instead Goebels going to make people go to a pay service Or require people to use their proprietary systems like the android store. Sounds like they’ve got a couple of different flaws in their business model now.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 7:17:41 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: SeekAndFind
Guy thinks he's God.

Is he in for a surprise.

4 posted on 12/27/2012 7:17:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: SeekAndFind
"either destroy humanity or carry it to unimaginable heights."

Go ahead. Toss that coin.

5 posted on 12/27/2012 7:18:34 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And all of this time I didn’t even know that Google even HAD a dead father.

Kurzweil does not even have an elementary understanding of metaphysics.


6 posted on 12/27/2012 7:23:52 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: SeekAndFind

I used to get a ‘chuckle’ when Ted Williams’ son wanted to keep him on ice so when the time was right he could clone him.

I kind of figured what could the guy do with him that Ted didn’t do himself when he sired the son that wants to clone him for a replica.

If it worked don’t you think it kind of would have happened with the ‘original’ offspring???


7 posted on 12/27/2012 7:25:45 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: SeekAndFind

I used to get a ‘chuckle’ when Ted Williams’ son wanted to keep him on ice so when the time was right he could clone him.

I kind of figured what could the guy do with him that Ted didn’t do himself when he sired the son that wants to clone him for a replica.

If it worked don’t you think it kind of would have happened with the ‘original’ offspring???


8 posted on 12/27/2012 7:25:45 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: SeekAndFind

Doncha just love these fascistic, mad scientists who love to ‘play god’?

Never can accept that there may be a higher power at all.....and never got over the death of his parent......like most of us have.

Liberals are all the same. They NEVER ‘get over’ ANYTHING and ALWAYS carry a grudge. They still live in High School.....when they were rejected for the Prom. Then they take it out on ‘Humanity’. That we must all be killed unless we think like they do.


9 posted on 12/27/2012 7:29:10 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Genius and insanity are often found in the very same minds. Often the dividing line is when to use it for good or evil and to know the difference.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 7:29:25 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

In my humble, not-nearly-as-smart-as-Ray Kurzweil opinion, I think he’s too optimistic in his projections and I’ve never gotten why he brings up Moore’s Law in connection with something like biomedical research. But the man is undeniably a genius and I have no doubt that he will be proved right in many of his views. Just not in his lifetime or mine, but give it a hundred years or so.


11 posted on 12/27/2012 7:33:14 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SeekAndFind
"either destroy humanity or carry it to unimaginable heights."

He sounds like a mass murderer in the making. Wonder if google checked if he owned a gun.

He speaks of life; yet, says humanity should be destroyed.

"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:8

12 posted on 12/27/2012 7:38:26 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

“…Engineer the “singularity,” which is in Vance’s words, “the moment when superintelligent machines light up with something approximating life and either destroy humanity or carry it to unimaginable heights.””

Google = SkyNet. When the Google-Terminators arrive, it will give a whole new meaning to the “I’m Feeling Lucky” button.


13 posted on 12/27/2012 7:45:48 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

The republicans just ran this guys spiritual brother, for president of the United States.


14 posted on 12/27/2012 7:49:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: presently no screen name

Oh come on. He doesn’t advocate the destruction, he’s really just talking about the same general idea that all the big sci-fi authors grappled with: that creating intelligent machines stronger, and possibly smarter than us, could lead to our own extinction.

Isaac Asimov came up with his “Robotic Laws” to deal with this kind of problem, postulating that intelligent machines would need to be “hard-coded” to never cause harm to humans, otherwise building them would be too risky.


15 posted on 12/27/2012 7:50:07 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

With a pact with the devil he might succeed.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 8:50:08 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: Boogieman

I’ve read a good deal about the possibility of this type “singularity” and it is a bit unnerving. Who’s to say that Asimov’s 3 laws will always be incorporated into leading edge robotics and computer technology. If the singularity is real there is always the chance that the 3 laws are ignored for the sake of getting to market first, etc. and thus, there is that danger. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime but we are hurtling headlong in that direction.


17 posted on 12/27/2012 8:58:54 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait a week, then Google his fathers’ name. If comes back with a current street address, they may really have something !! :)


18 posted on 12/27/2012 9:00:16 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: Boogieman
He doesn’t advocate the destruction

Avoiding his own words and instead reading his mind to make it fit and what others did?

19 posted on 12/27/2012 9:00:16 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
That we must all be killed unless we think like they do.

You didn't feel my pain so POP POP!!

20 posted on 12/27/2012 9:05:37 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Boogieman

And how’d that work out? They made themselves Law Zero.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 9:41:52 PM PST by farlander (Fiat Justitia, Ruat Caelum. Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: lwoodham

As I said, Asimov’s bots made themselves a Law Zero, allowing them to kill individuals for the good of Humanity (and they get to be the arbiters of that).

Screw that. I’ll pass.


22 posted on 12/27/2012 9:44:02 PM PST by farlander (Fiat Justitia, Ruat Caelum. Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: presently no screen name
He speaks of life; yet, says humanity should be destroyed.

He says nothing of the kind. Even this Business Insider article, which is a mistake-filled rehash of a rather foolish Bloomberg article, doesn't claim that.
23 posted on 12/27/2012 10:35:52 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Doncha just love these fascistic, mad scientists who love to ‘play god’?

How do you know God doesn't want them to "play god?"

24 posted on 12/27/2012 10:56:22 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Help him build the Tower of Babel, then.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 11:11:22 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Help him build the Tower of Babel, then.

Please try to understand what exactly you're criticizing before you criticize. The Business Insider article misrepresents Kurzweil, his work and his views badly and also misquotes the Bloomberg article it's supposedly based on. It's sensationalistic nonsense written by someone who didn't bother to find out much about his subject.
26 posted on 12/28/2012 12:59:37 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Thanks. Then why would someone waste bandwidth to start a thread from a known pack of liars, The Business Insider, on some employee Goggle hired? Short of news?


27 posted on 12/28/2012 4:34:21 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind
…Bring his dead father back to life.

I think it was on the new version of "The Outer Limits" where they had a story of a guy that was cryogenically frozen after he died.

Years later the body was brought back to life but without a soul since the soul had left following his death.

Without a soul the guy was pure evil and started killing people..........

28 posted on 12/28/2012 4:45:13 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: presently no screen name

You’re the one avoiding his words. Where did he advocate destruction? Advocating an event that could lead to destruction, or in another direction, is not advocating destruction. Otherwise, advocating free elections would be the same as advocating for Obama to be president.

As for “what others did”, I was simply trying to illustrate that this is a commonly understood idea amongst people that think about these issues, because you seem to have misunderstood it. That’s why I’m not “reading his mind”; anyone who talks about the ethical issues of intelligent machines is well familiar with the kind of scenario he is talking about, because it’s a textbook problem.


29 posted on 12/28/2012 7:22:57 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: presently no screen name
Then why would someone waste bandwidth to start a thread from a known pack of liars, The Business Insider, on some employee Goggle hired? Short of news?

I said nothing about Business Insider being a known pack of liars. What's undeniable is that this is an article in a business publication written by a reporter who did none of his own work but instead chose to misquote and sensationalize an already shallow article written in another publication. In summary, it was a silly article that left readers with a grossly distorted picture of Kurzweil, the Singularity, and other topics.

There are plenty of well-rounded, intelligent critiques and appraisals of Kurzweil's work and views that will actually give you a pretty good idea of who the man is and what he says, if you want them. This article was not one of them, and it did it's readers a dis-service.
30 posted on 12/28/2012 10:28:43 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

The real future is always stranger than we can imagine. Aging or rather the causes of aging are being identified, and we may be the last few generations to involuntarily die by time itself. Freezing is just a very expensive funeral choice if you disbelieve in coming back to life, but the technology for the frozen to come back is certainly less expensive than those that have been burnt...LOL.

Ray Kurzweil is a futurist, but AI singularity is probably unavoidable. When machines develop the capability of self evolution, Moore’s Law will decrease from 18 months to something significantly smaller. My guess would be in the range of the difference between chemical reactions to electrical ones... like milliseconds to nanoseconds, give or take a few orders of magnitude. Moore’s Law dropping from 500 days to half a day for a doubling would not be out of the potential realm. After a month of doubling what would the machine AI be thinking? Good luck!

Aubrey de Grey is on the cutting edge of aging, and he believes it is not impossible for the next generation to live a LONG TIME.

>>De Grey argues that the fundamental knowledge needed to develop effective anti-aging medicine mostly already exists, and that the science is ahead of the funding. He works to identify and promote specific technological approaches to the reversal of various aspects of aging, or, as de Grey puts it, “the set of accumulated side effects from metabolism that eventually kills us<<


31 posted on 12/28/2012 10:27:26 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight
Ray Kurzweil is a futurist, but AI singularity is probably unavoidable.

I agree - what I question is Kurzweil's time-frame, and his attempt to apply Moore's Law to any field in which computers can be involved. The field of artificial intelligence is a good example - I remember the AI classes I took back in college in the early '90s, and the state of the art simply doesn't seem to have advanced very much since then; there's certainly been no exponential growth.

This is even more true for the biomedical and nanotechnology advances that will be needed for humans to achieve the sort of longevity that Kurzweil talks about. Aside from whether Moore's Law is even applicable to these fields, Kurzweil overlooks all of the economic, political and social obstacles. The US, Europe and Japan are risk-averse nanny states in which bio-engineering and medical innovation are smothered by regulations and trial lawyers. The FDA doesn't even acknowledge aging as a medical issue in need of treatment or cures. Companies know this, and make their research funding decisions accordingly.

There's no question in my mind that many or most of Kurzweil's projections will inevitably happen (and I can only admire not only his genius but his courage in stating his views), but they'll happen in fits and starts, with more than a few regressions.
32 posted on 12/29/2012 5:52:31 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Very true. The future is full of twists and turns that will happen but no one will predict. Will the nature of patents mean that India and China will take a lead on the issue? Do we even have an idea what a self evolving AI is? What can be the timeline be like and what will be the identifiable milestones? That’s for good science fiction writers. Science historians will have another take.

DK


33 posted on 12/29/2012 6:47:26 PM PST by Dark Knight
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