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ACLU Has Concerns Over Military Weapons Used By Local Police
KMOX ^ | 07Mar13 | CBS St Louis

Posted on 03/08/2013 3:53:38 PM PST by qaz123

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - The American Civil Liberties Union wants to know what kind of military weaponry and tactics are being turned over to local police by the Department of Defense and Homeland Security.

The ACLU feels the surplus equipment, things like flash-bang grenades, shock cuffs, and tracking devices that are being handed down, are leading to more aggressive policing, especially in poor neighborhoods and neighborhoods of color.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: aclu; dhs; military; police; weapons
Their just now figuring this out. I guess all they've been too busy sticking their heads up obama's ass to finally realize this. All that Ivy League education don't mean much after all.
1 posted on 03/08/2013 3:53:38 PM PST by qaz123
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To: qaz123

Wonder why law abiding citizens are arming themselves to the teeth?There will be blood!


2 posted on 03/08/2013 3:56:54 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Renegade

My money is on the citizenry.

On a side note, I’m in law enforcement. I know that my sample doesn’t cover the entire law enforcement spectrum, but there are more than a few people in uniform that will side with the citizens. However, most are cops from Conservative leaning/ Red states.


3 posted on 03/08/2013 3:59:10 PM PST by qaz123
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To: Renegade

I posted this earlier and, well, forgive me for trying to get some exposure.

Police State USA, Life During Wartime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYn9JF0TSgw

If you like it, let me know and bump it up.

Thanks


4 posted on 03/08/2013 4:01:11 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: qaz123

I guess if they use that stuff in neighborhoods of non color it’s alright then.


5 posted on 03/08/2013 4:02:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
I guess if they use that stuff in neighborhoods of non color it’s alright then.

Odd, I must have missed the ACLU's protestations when the Branch Davidians were incinerated by feds using military equipment.

6 posted on 03/08/2013 4:04:02 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: qaz123
Barry says,"It's all goooood."

7 posted on 03/08/2013 4:06:42 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: qaz123

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/article/20130224/NEWS01/302240025/Waverly-standoff-ends-with-man-shooting-search-robot?gcheck=1

Man charged with vandalism for shooting police robot in his house (OH)


8 posted on 03/08/2013 4:11:15 PM PST by opentalk
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To: qaz123
ACLU, shut up! It's too late. Your own policies are now biting you in the butt.
9 posted on 03/08/2013 4:11:29 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: qaz123

Obama is going to have to yank these yahoos back into line. Those are his police now.


10 posted on 03/08/2013 4:12:15 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Zeneta

Music is toooooo loud


11 posted on 03/08/2013 4:14:13 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

What ?


12 posted on 03/08/2013 4:15:14 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: qaz123

This is nothing.

What does the ACLU have to say about almost 2 Billion Bullets ,Tanks, and Drones for Homeland Security the IRS and Social Security.


13 posted on 03/08/2013 4:16:30 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Don’t forget the Education Department - they apparently had a need too.


14 posted on 03/08/2013 4:19:34 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: qaz123

OTOH - that’s why they have them because they were outgunned for years. All they had were those .38cal revolvers going up against those AK’s.


15 posted on 03/08/2013 4:26:25 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: qaz123
St. Louis and EVERY major city has the infestation of inner-city tribal parasites, and they take what they want, and have been told they have a Right to, as long as it's not theirs and costs nothing.

The ACLU probably was complained-to by Obamaphone users.....

16 posted on 03/08/2013 4:26:49 PM PST by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: qaz123
The ACLU feels the surplus equipment, things like flash-bang grenades, shock cuffs, and tracking devices that are being handed down, are leading to more aggressive policing, especially in poor neighborhoods and neighborhoods of color.

Never mind just weapons, let the ACLU ask about "Stingray", an NSA-designed, CIA-built universal cellphone short-range intercept device loaned out to federal alphabet agencies, police, and anybody on the "friendly" side of government.

It overpowers the weaker cell-tower signals long enough to record both sides of a conversation on a hard drive, then retransmits the signal to the legitimate tower. Adds a fraction of a second to usually crummy cell service, and sucks up everything the cell tower would have gotten, but with one small side trip, first.

And nobody needs a warrant, because it officially does not exist. Try that with a Predator, which is considerably bigger, and is known to exist, but just not right over your head at that moment.

17 posted on 03/08/2013 4:36:27 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: qaz123

Did the ACLU show interest when Bill Clinton gave the LAPD 2000 full auto M-16s? And later gave them bayonets!


18 posted on 03/08/2013 4:38:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: 300winmag

Thank you...Rand Paul needs to stage another filibuster because the real threat from domestic drones isn’t a Hellfire down your chimney, but their ability to collect/transmit vast amounts of information.

I had some experience with military drones, both as a military intelligence officer and later, as a civilian contractor. At the peak of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Air Force was responsible for up to 36 UAV orbits a day. Collectively, the intel “haul” from those missions was measured in terabytes, uplinked to satellites and downlinked to DCGS nodes around the world.

Within a few years, there will be dozens of daily drone missions across the U.S., run by local, state and federal law enforcement. As sensor technology advances, you’ll be able to hang an even wider variety of sensors on those platforms, and they will be gathering vast amounts of information and transmitting it God-knows-where. And don’t think for a moment that police at all levels will share this data, and with even more sophisticated data mining, video tagging and facial recognition software, your every move will be tracked and cross-referenced to media habits, financial transactions and personal relationships.

The perfect tools for a police state. Yet no one, not even Rand Paul, is talking about the real threat from drones.

BTW, I can almost predict one tactic that will be used. Law enforcement will stage some sort of event to stimuate cell phone and internet activity in a selected area. Meanwhile, an advanced version of Stingray, mounted on a drone will be sucking up all the cell traffic in that neighborhood. It will be instantly downlinked to a police fusion center, and available across law enforcement and intelligence networks.

Just like when the Air Force used to run an SR-71 along the edge of Russian or Chinese airspace to stir up air defense traffic, while an RC-135 orbited off the coast, recording all types of ELINT and voice traffic.


19 posted on 03/08/2013 6:16:35 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: qaz123

>> ... there are more than a few people in uniform that will side with the citizens ...

Agreed, but many will not - for perspective on this, read -
Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland
by Christopher R. Browning

Or Google up “Christopher Browning”


20 posted on 03/08/2013 6:21:22 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: traditional1

Hey - I’m on the side of those Koreans with the hankerchiefs tied around their heads. Any problems arise and those guys are ready. A bunch of other citizens are too.


21 posted on 03/08/2013 6:28:24 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook; Squantos
"...the real threat from domestic drones isn’t a Hellfire down your chimney, but their ability to collect/transmit vast amounts of information...Within a few years, there will be dozens of daily drone missions across the U.S., run by local, state and federal law enforcement...The perfect tools for a police state. Yet no one, not even Rand Paul, is talking about the real threat from drones."

Thank you. Agreed. Most readers do miss more relevant considerations because of the way "news" is sponsored by favored constituents of politicians. Hysteria and panic propaganda. Drones, operators and other services for them cost big bucks. That's one thing missing from the discussion.

"BTW, I can almost predict one tactic that will be used. Law enforcement will stage some sort of event to stimuate cell phone and internet activity in a selected area."

Hysteria and panic propaganda. It's a type of distraction/diversion propaganda. It looks like waves of conspiracy tales, insults readers and viewers, and before we know it, the whole dumbed down bandwagon is rolling with it. Quite a diversion, yes? Take news about something true, and slap gobs of exaggerations and lies on it for further consumption and rejection.

It's easy to notice from my age and perspective. Our forefathers in leadership went out of their way during spooky times, to avoid panicking a population.

There's something else missing from the news, opinions and hysterics about drones. Where's are the information, services and products for maintaining privacy against such surveillance?

Privacy can be done. [See soldiers' training, studies in technologies including various transducers, radio, optics, pretty camouflage, etc.] America hasn't lost all of its pool of ingenuity, even though leaders in business, politics and academia have done quite a job for over three decades of trying to eradicate real American ingenuity (real as in collaborations between low-techs. designing home energy systems and many other useful projects). ;-)

But for now, it's obvious, that many in leadership are involved in many efforts to produce panic and hysteria...or that many in leadership are panicking and hysterical, themselves (hags, their SNAGs: sensitive New Age guys,...). Anyway, it's quite a freak show. I'll stock up on popcorn to watch more of it.

So much focus on fear of little folks, who can adjust to any kind of government, fix anything, build anything, etc. Meanwhile, big manufacturing on our own soil isn't happening much. What will so many big-shot crooks (who produce nothing of value) do, when they lose all that they have in the great repudiation of debt?

How will the social pathologies pushed by so many business, academic and political leaders survive the economy of a de-industrialized, de-developed country? Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


22 posted on 03/08/2013 9:16:29 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: qaz123

“The ACLU feels the surplus equipment, things like flash-bang grenades, shock cuffs, and tracking devices that are being handed down, are leading to more aggressive policing, especially in poor neighborhoods and neighborhoods of color.”

So I guess that means its OK in middle class white neighborhoods.


23 posted on 03/08/2013 9:25:01 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I urge folks to take a look at the following, if they haven’t already:

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

http://www.redstate.com/goppolitx/2013/03/06/youre-on-your-own-okeefes-project-veritas-uncovers-truth-about-police-response-time/

As a cop, I have worked with guys that truly thought that they were invincible. It’s true that most, more than most I’ll say, think that they’re smarter than everyone else. Why? Because all they see are people who are criminals, people who are in unfortunate situations that could have been avoided or just downright stupid people. People don’t call the cops when good things happen. So, they tend to get an attitude.

However, I started shooting USPSA matches a few years ago. Showed up thinking, “hey, i’m the police. No one can outshoot me”. ha ha ha ROFLMAO. I got schooled. I stayed with it and became halfway decent. Met a ton of great folks in the process.

My point, most cops don’t meet that type of person. They don’t meet the law abidiing, good hearted, compassionate citizen who is there to help, not harm. Ergo, most don’t have any idea what the people they walk by and drive by everyday are capable of. Its that whole, “you don’t know what I deal with”. Well, I’ve been a cop, soldier and security contractor. I can tell you firsthand, and we on FR know this, the very large majority of cops will never, ever experience what some 19 yr old GRUNT from the 82nd, 10th Mtn, 101st, 2nd MarDiv experienced while he was sleeping on rocks in the Hindu Kush.

But now, we have guys like the Sheriff in Milwaukee County. Someone who truly knows that there should be a partnership between the regular folks and the police.

As for the arming law enforcement to the teeth. They say its because of terror threats, etc. BullSh*t. Maybe police in the major target areas, IE NYC, etc, should get ‘some’ stuff, but when you see an M113 or something similar riding down Main St, USA, that’s cause for some serious concern. I highly doubt that Al Queda is gonna come to my little spot in the country and stage an attack.

Lots of these agencies get all these ridiculous grants from DHS, get all that crazy equipment and then have to figure out a way to show that they needed it. So, what do they do? Dress up like CAG, ST6 to serve a warrant for someone who defaulted on their student loans.


24 posted on 03/09/2013 8:53:10 AM PST by qaz123
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To: PapaBear3625

You did miss it because they spoke out about it on numerous occasions. Here’s one from 1995:

The American Civil Liberties Union joined with gun-rights groups and defense lawyers today to accuse federal law officers of ignoring constitutional rights and using unjustified deadly force.

“We don’t want just a piecemeal effort,” said Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU’s national office. Federal officers are increasingly adopting militaristic mindsets and tactics, she said. “We want change before there are more Wacos and Ruby Ridges.”


25 posted on 03/09/2013 2:32:26 PM PST by rudabaga
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