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Harlan Ellison Isnít Dead Yet (Still Has the Boots He Wore Standing Up to Sinatra)
New York Magazine ^ | July 18, 2013 | Jaime Lowe

Posted on 07/18/2013 9:01:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Edited on 07/19/2013 10:05:36 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; History; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunconfiscation; harlanellison; notalenthack
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1 posted on 07/18/2013 9:01:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Borges

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2 posted on 07/18/2013 9:11:12 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: nickcarraway
So?
3 posted on 07/18/2013 9:16:39 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: nickcarraway

What a complete maniac. Anyhow, here’s an interview with Isaac Asimov, Gene Wolfe and Harlan Ellison, from 1982.

Gene Wolfe rules.

Warning, a little bit of off-colour vocabulary is utilized.

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2013/06/a-1982-video-interview-of-isaac-asimov-harlan-ellison-and-gene-wolfe/

Freegards


4 posted on 07/18/2013 9:16:50 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Perdogg

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5 posted on 07/18/2013 9:19:35 PM PDT by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: nickcarraway

I will say that 20 years ago Harlan made the Sci-Fi Channel “The Prisoner” Marathon very interesting.


6 posted on 07/18/2013 9:24:42 PM PDT by struggle
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To: nickcarraway

Hunter Thompson was a wanna-be next to Harlan.


7 posted on 07/18/2013 9:40:41 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: nickcarraway

A brilliant, creative, difficult guy. In 2075 I want to take the Disneyland “Be Harlan Ellison for an Hour” ride.


8 posted on 07/18/2013 9:44:52 PM PDT by TChad
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To: nickcarraway

Great article! Thanks for the post!


9 posted on 07/18/2013 9:55:26 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: nickcarraway

Ahh, yes, Harlan... Pure evidence of what can happen if you live your life with absolutely no care about anyone but yourself - all you end up with at the end is just living with the one person hardly anyone else can stand to be with.

There’s a saying: Acquaintances help you move, friends help you move the body. To add to that, Harlan at one time would have been that body. My boss was utterly enchanted from spending one evening having dinner with Harlan - who can be quite the charmer so long as someone else is footing the bill.

But for me, having observed him and encounters with him for far too much of my childhood, he serves as an absolute object lesson of how to drive anyone and everyone out of their life.

His frequent reminding of others what he wants his tombstone to say (and Harlan, really, you should just pay for it now) “For a while I was here and for a while I mattered.” It is a solo testament to his life: I care about me, and how impressed I am with me.

Hopefully in these twilight years Harlan will finally learn that there is more to humanity than the letter I.


10 posted on 07/18/2013 10:20:08 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: nickcarraway

Weird. I was just reading his “Shatterday.”

He’s indeed a messed-up individual. He’s the darkside of Bradbury. I see his talent, but... not my favorite author.


11 posted on 07/18/2013 10:35:21 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau s√° taghdedaul!)
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To: Thorliveshere

A Boy and His Dog was a great short story. But dark.


12 posted on 07/18/2013 10:43:09 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: nickcarraway

I became acquainted with the writings of Harlan Ellison in the 80s when I had a subscription to the, now defunct, “Twilight Zone” magazine. He was an editor of that magazine and frequent short story contributor. I liked his work for that magazine.

On Net Flicks, there is a movie adapted from one of his short stories called, “A Boy and his Dog”. It’s about a post apocalyptic world where some people live on the surface and some people live underground. It starred a very young Don Johnson. It is a kind of ridiculous and very politically incorrect story where a young man and his talking dog go about their daily activity of attacking other nuclear survivors for the their food and ravishing defenseless woman, etc. It’s the kind of story that could never be filmed today, much less published as a novel without NOW or some other feminist group making huge fuss about it.

Anyhow, based on the article, Harlan Ellison seems to be a bit of a narcissist who has problems caring about other people, something not uncommon for writers/actors/people in the entertainment industry. I guess you can enjoy someone’s work without necessarily liking the person who produced it.


13 posted on 07/18/2013 10:43:14 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: kingu

Pretty much the impression his writing has always given me.
Sad that he lives up to it.


14 posted on 07/18/2013 10:56:27 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: nickcarraway

I wish his I, Robot screenplay could have been produced.


15 posted on 07/18/2013 11:20:13 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: nickcarraway
"I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" - that's a good one. Also "The Deathbird". And Ellison's book-long rant about how Gene Roddenberry stole the "City On the Edge Of Forever" from him and messed up the script is at least as entertaining as the episode itself was.

And of course I'm sure "Last Dangerous Visions" will be out any day now =).
16 posted on 07/19/2013 12:15:30 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks, I'm a fan of Ellison. But I still had to look up a list of his work to remind me what he wrote.

Harlan Ellison Bibliography

I have a VHS copy of The City on the Edge of Forever. I haven't watched it. Just had to have it. Wonder if it's still playable.

17 posted on 07/19/2013 12:26:48 AM PDT by Daaave ("The ship will self-destruct in t-minus, ten minutes.")
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To: MrEdd
Sad that he lives up to it.

Sounds like Ellison is not ready for eternity and the Lord has been giving him plenty of time to get ready. He needs to cast his life upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. Else he may live unmoving cigarette on an ashtray forever.

18 posted on 07/19/2013 12:32:18 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402; MrEdd
Sounds like Ellison is not ready for eternity and the Lord has been giving him plenty of time to get ready. He needs to cast his life upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. Else he may live unmoving cigarette on an ashtray forever.

Lord Jesus, please convict Harlan Ellison of sin and have him humble himself before You to receive You as his Saviour. We pray this in Your name, Amen.

19 posted on 07/19/2013 12:35:27 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: nickcarraway
He like thr terminator bunny...

...He keeps going and going and going.

20 posted on 07/19/2013 12:46:06 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: thecodont
Lord Jesus, please convict Harlan Ellison of sin and have him humble himself before You to receive You as his Saviour. We pray this in Your name, Amen.

Yes, dear Lord, we ask it in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ who alone can save.

21 posted on 07/19/2013 12:56:44 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: nickcarraway

LOL Graphic Novels...also known as comic books, use to sell for 10 cents. How much does a graphic novel cost....too much I’ll bet.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 12:59:49 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: KC Burke

In the mid ‘60s I belonged to something called, “The Science Fiction Book Club” and one of the first books I got in the mail was a Harlan Ellison book. I think it was called, ‘The Beast Who Shouted Love At The Heart Of The World’.. I still have that book up in the attic somewhere. ...Along with a bunch of others I got through the club, like Asimov’s ‘Foundation’ trilogy and Heinlein’s ‘Past Through Tomorrow’.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 1:01:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 3Fingas

His writing is kinda scary... sort of like you took Virginia Wolfe and sent her to Neptune.

Back in the 70’s and 80’s, I read alot. “A Boy and His Dog” is still one of my favorites.
He also edited a volume of short stories called “Dangerous Visions” which is, in my mind, to this date one of the most impressive collections of sci-fi ever put together.

Bradbury always struck me as what would happen if you took someone from the MSM and sent them to Mars.

Ellison is what you would get if you sent Charles Manson and Aleister Crowley to Mars!


24 posted on 07/19/2013 1:08:52 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: nickcarraway

thanks for posting this.


25 posted on 07/19/2013 1:38:31 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: nickcarraway

Huh, who’da thunkit? I think he wrote some outstanding stories. I recall a really neat one about a man who started fires with his mind. I read a lot of his stories in the 80s, but I don’t feel much interest now.


26 posted on 07/19/2013 2:50:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: Tax-chick

In my opinion, a very over-rated author, but a good editor and selector of other writers’ stories. His stories were, to me, forgetable; read them once, a few weeks later you couldn’t remember much about them. Later, he got lazy, and would publish his outlines, or story notes, or even just his story concepts, instead of finishing them. Became a hack-scriptwriter for Hollywood, and could churn out a treatment for a TV show, or even a movie, in record time; of course, they were unfilmable. His draft scripts never resembled the finished product much.

What’s amazing is that he had so many friends in SF Fandom. Some of his best friends were the writers he feuded with, and the Fans he insulted. Watching him on a panel at a Con was like watching a celebrity roast.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 3:36:21 AM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: VietVet
His stories were, to me, forgettable ...

I disagree. There are some that I remember very well after nearly 30 years, and I expect I'd still be impressed by those today. I don't read SF much these days - usually only when something my kids have checked out is lying around.

28 posted on 07/19/2013 4:08:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: nickcarraway

I’m glad to hear he’s still kicking. All the great old masters of science fiction are dying off, and they don’t make writers like that anymore. I grew up reading his stories. He wrote as an angry ultra-liberal who had a seething contempt for both Humanity and God, and he always expected the worst from the human race. A brilliant and highly imaginative writer nonetheless. I found his short stories very entertaining.


29 posted on 07/19/2013 4:10:29 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Ransomed

Bookmark.


30 posted on 07/19/2013 4:18:41 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Daaave

Will have to learn more about Harlan Ellison. For now, it’s enough to know that he stood up to that jerk Sinatra.


31 posted on 07/19/2013 4:54:28 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: nickcarraway

Harlan Ellison is one of those folks that once stood before a writers’ symposium, and stated:
“When you finish reading an article, or a book, and stand up in shock, and shout, “This is crap! I can write better than that!”, you have just taken your first step towards being a writer!

And as for me, so it began.

Harlan Ellison, (Uncle Harlan to some), is a fountain pen afficianado. I have a printout from his Webderland site, “Harlan Ellison’s Watching”, 05/19/2006, discussing fountain pens.

Harlan Ellison, unknown to some, is a Korean War vet, and did train with the 1st generation of Special Forces, even with his height. It was shortly after his end of enlistment, that he became a member of a Brooklyn street gang, and then the book about same, thereafter.

Harlan Ellison, having such a great love for a NY publisher, sent said publisher, during a normal ‘dog days’ temperature range, through the USPS at what used to be called ‘book rate’, with the resultant slower handling times, a freshly harvested gopher from his hillside, in response to the publisher’s displayed love towards Ellison! (Talk about biowarfare!)

Harlan Ellison, during a conference with a publisher, who was being obstinate about business details with one of Ellison’s books, sat calmly, discussing these details, while field-stripping a Government Model 1911. Subtle, but effective.

lastly, his first exclamation of non-love towards someone, anyone, is recorded to be “bug-copulation”!

All of these little things make up the psyche that is, and always shall be, Harlan Ellison.

“Take no prisoners, leave none alive!”


32 posted on 07/19/2013 5:20:19 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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bfl


33 posted on 07/19/2013 5:40:00 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: nickcarraway; EveningStar

One of my favorite Harlan moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE


34 posted on 07/19/2013 6:37:27 AM PDT by Borges
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To: rdb3

Clevelanders in the news ping


35 posted on 07/19/2013 7:34:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Tax-chick
I recall a really neat one about a man who started fires with his mind.

Wasn't that idea ripped off by Stephen King?

36 posted on 07/19/2013 2:40:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I think it’s an obvious enough concept that more than one writer could come up with it.


37 posted on 07/19/2013 3:33:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: Tax-chick

I still think he’s a terrible writer. I guess that’s unfair, because I never read anything he wrote- except for one short story to help a non-native English speaker with homework.


38 posted on 07/19/2013 3:43:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Tax-chick

I still think he’s a terrible writer. I guess that’s unfair, because I never read anything he wrote- except for one short story to help a non-native English speaker with homework.


39 posted on 07/19/2013 3:43:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I still think he’s a terrible writer.

Stephen King, or Harlan Ellison? In either case, I'd hesitate to go from, "I really disliked one story," to "He's a terrible writer."

40 posted on 07/19/2013 4:03:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: Tax-chick
I meant Stephen King. Well, that's why I said it might be considered unfair. I disliked his writing before I read that story, which I only did as a favor. I have read the back of many of his books and flipped through enough to get a sense of his style.

He did have one essay on writing that was okay but not great.

41 posted on 07/19/2013 4:06:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Tax-chick
I meant Stephen King. Well, that's why I said it might be considered unfair. I disliked his writing before I read that story, which I only did as a favor. I have read the back of many of his books and flipped through enough to get a sense of his style.

He did have one essay on writing that was okay but not great.

42 posted on 07/19/2013 4:06:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Repent, Harlequin, said the Tick-Tock man.


43 posted on 07/19/2013 4:16:03 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: nickcarraway
He did have one essay on writing that was okay but not great.

That okay seems to be a lot better than most [IMO]; I read that (it was titled On Writing) and thought it was pretty good, honest, and generally positive/encouraging about writing-as-a-craft. Granted, I'm not a well written [or even published (Yet!)] author, by any means.

44 posted on 07/19/2013 7:11:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Ransomed

Thanks for posting that; it was a good listen.


45 posted on 07/19/2013 7:41:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nickcarraway
He's given "writer's" credit for the original terminator movie. I understand that credit was the result of a settlement of a lawsuit he filed against Cameron claiming The Terminator infringed on his story, "Demon with a Glass Hand". Never read the story, but I did see the hour long episode on the Outer Limits with Robert Culp. I never saw the connection. Demon With a Glass Hand
46 posted on 07/19/2013 7:53:43 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo
The Terminator credit has been changed to ...

Thanks
Harlan Ellison .... acknowledgment to the works of

imdb link
47 posted on 07/19/2013 7:58:13 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo

From imdb profile: An outspoken gun control advocate, he is responsible for the removal of B-B gun ads from DC Comics. According to a convention transcript printed in The Comics Journal, on a Friday he made a phone call to DC publisher Jeanette Kahn, suggesting that such ads were inappropriate for children. She called him back before the weekend was out assuring him that there would never be another B-B gun ad in a DC comic. In the same transcript, when prompted by Marvel Comics executive Stan Lee (also an advocate of gun control), Ellison admits that growing up with these ads didn’t do him any harm.


48 posted on 07/19/2013 8:01:38 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: nickcarraway
Wasn't that idea ripped off by Stephen King?

Screamen Queen ripped off everything he did from old drive-in movies. He's the guy that said people only join the military because they didn't learn how to read in school. Another insane liberal who can't let reality get in the way of his beliefs.

49 posted on 07/19/2013 8:08:54 PM PDT by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: jespasinthru

“I’m glad to hear he’s still kicking. All the great old masters of science fiction are dying off, and they don’t make writers like that anymore. I grew up reading his stories. He wrote as an angry ultra-liberal who had a seething contempt for both Humanity and God, and he always expected the worst from the human race. A brilliant and highly imaginative writer nonetheless. I found his short stories very entertaining.”:

I think you nailed it.


50 posted on 07/19/2013 8:12:34 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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