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Life DID begin on Mars - then we all travelled to Earth on a meteorite
Daily Mail ^ | 28 August 2013 | ELLIE ZOLFAGHARIFARD

Posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:09 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

It might not just be men who are from Mars, claims a new study which suggests that all life on Earth actually began on the red planet.

An element believed to be crucial to the origin of life would only have been available on the surface of Mars, it is claimed.

Geochemist Professor Steven Benner argues that the 'seeds' of life probably arrived on Earth in meteorites blasted off Mars by impacts or volcanic eruptions.

Professor Steven Benner will tell geochemists gathering today at the annual Goldschmidt conference that an oxidised mineral form of the element molybdenum, which may have been crucial to the origin of life, could only have been available on the surface of Mars and not on Earth As evidence he points to the oxidised mineral form of the element molybdenum, thought to be a catalyst that helped organic molecules develop into the first living structures.

Professor Benner will present his findings to geochemists gathering today at the annual Goldschmidt conference.

‘In addition recent studies show that these conditions, suitable for the origin of life, may still exist on Mars,’ said Professor Benner, of the Westheimer Institute for Science and Technology in Gainesville, Florida.

‘It’s only when molybdenum becomes highly oxidised that it is able to influence how early life formed.

‘This form of molybdenum couldn’t have been available on Earth at the time life first began, because three billion years ago the surface of the Earth had very little oxygen, but Mars did.

‘It’s yet another piece of evidence which makes it more likely life came to Earth on a Martian meteorite, rather than starting on this planet.’

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: callingartbell; catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; mars; molybdenum; paleontology; panspermia; stevenbenner; xplanets
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Son, I've seen the future. The future is molybdenum!
1 posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:09 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:22 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

think, might, probably, may, possibly, perhaps...

I think the scientist might have been guessing. In fact he probably was, and may possibly want to consider another line of work. Perhaps “science” isn’t his strong suit.


3 posted on 08/28/2013 9:05:59 PM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: Fractal Trader

4 posted on 08/28/2013 9:08:33 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Fractal Trader

im not convinced.


5 posted on 08/28/2013 9:11:31 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Fractal Trader
the oxidised mineral form of the element molybdenum, thought to be a catalyst that helped organic molecules develop into the first living structures.

Problem here is that "organic molecules" supposedly existed before living structures ... but isn't the word "organic" associated only with living structures?

6 posted on 08/28/2013 9:12:53 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Fractal Trader

7 posted on 08/28/2013 9:12:56 PM PDT by wastedyears (One nation, under wub. Saints Row IV)
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To: Fractal Trader

“‘It’s yet another piece of evidence which makes it more likely life came to Earth on a Martian meteorite, rather than starting on this planet.”

Yeh thats the ticket. :-)


8 posted on 08/28/2013 9:13:36 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TheZMan

I think the scientist might have been guessing. In fact he probably was, and may possibly want to consider another line of work. Perhaps “science” isn’t his strong suit.


Right.
Because he forgot the part about the singed eyebrows.


9 posted on 08/28/2013 9:13:57 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Fractal Trader


10 posted on 08/28/2013 9:15:48 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: OldNavyVet

No, “organic” is any carbon based structure.


11 posted on 08/28/2013 9:17:18 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Fractal Trader
It is claimed by many scientists that life arose in our ocean, because the chemical reactions to assemble a self replicating molecule was a really, really, really, lucky accident, and it helps the odds if all the chemicals are being mixed in a large ocean, creating trillions of chemical reactions and using the energy of the sun and wind. Yet even then, the odds are really really not so good, and there are enough difficulties that some scientists have resorted to Panspermia, the theory that life originated elsewhere, and was sent here.

But by claiming that life originated on Mars, they aren't really making things more believable. Mars probably had liquid water, but not as much as Earth, and so the number of random chemical reactions goes down considerably, and making spontaneous life from non life even harder. Plus, the sun is nearly twice as far away, giving Mars only a fraction of the energy it gives to Earth. Again, this limits the energy in the Martian system and limits the number of chemical reactions that could have been randomly done. So even if there is molybdenum there, I doubt it would overcome the extra hurdles imposed by the Martian environment.

12 posted on 08/28/2013 9:17:32 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: GraceG

lolol!


13 posted on 08/28/2013 9:19:25 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: wastedyears

Yes, they have been watching too much “Ancient Aliens” on the History Channel, where every sentence begins with “could it be that ....?”.


14 posted on 08/28/2013 9:20:31 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Fractal Trader

Human life as we know it began with God Almighty...........
I do not care what planet.


15 posted on 08/28/2013 9:21:36 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: Fractal Trader

Hmmm....do volcanos figure into this somwhere?


16 posted on 08/28/2013 9:22:36 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Fractal Trader

Even if so... So what?

Whether life began on mars and moved here, or life began here... It doesn’t explain why life began.


17 posted on 08/28/2013 9:26:59 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius
It doesn’t explain why life began.

Because it could.

18 posted on 08/28/2013 9:30:21 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: EEGator
“organic” is any carbon based structure.

Check your dictionary. Compounds like carbon dioxide are called "inorganic."

19 posted on 08/28/2013 9:30:49 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: svcw
The human hand is one of the most marvelous things on earth. Joints for flexibility. Bones for rigidity. Tendons connecting to muscle tissue which are connected to the central nervous system which respond to mere thoughts viathe human mind.

Engineers, surgeons, chemists, etc, have worked for hundreds of years to reproduce the human hand and the best they can come up with is a very unimpressive (when compared to the original) facsimile.

And the atheist insists this happened by mere chance, not to mention the rest of the human body.

20 posted on 08/28/2013 9:33:06 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: Fractal Trader
* Molybdenum mineral is thought to have been crucial to the origin of life
* Material may have been available on the surface of Mars and not on Earth
* This could suggest that life came to Earth on a Martian meteorite

Say what you will about English "news" papers, you've got to admit their notion of "science" is considerably more creative than the same old anthropogenic global warming day in and day out in so many American "news" papers.

21 posted on 08/28/2013 9:33:30 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Fractal Trader
Creation...God: Nope not just happening here on Mars, not the right atmosphere, let me try Earth.

Creation...Two molybdenum: Hey dude this place is just not happening, lets hitch a ride and check out that blue planet...wadda ya say.

22 posted on 08/28/2013 9:35:31 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: Fractal Trader

Raelian or Scientologist?


23 posted on 08/28/2013 9:38:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: EEGator

Certified Organic.

24 posted on 08/28/2013 9:39:23 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: TheZMan
think, might, probably, may, possibly, perhaps... I think the scientist might have been guessing. In fact he probably was, and may possibly want to consider another line of work. Perhaps “science” isn’t his strong suit.

And you're obviously not a scientist or familiar with the scientific method and its foundation, testable hypotheses. Is he right? Who knows. But it attempts to explain observed phenomena and the scientific method will either confirm or reject it.

25 posted on 08/28/2013 9:41:31 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: OldNavyVet

Not in the chemical context no, organic chemicals are not necessarily biological.


26 posted on 08/28/2013 9:42:51 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Fractal Trader

Okay, what Scientologist posted this?


27 posted on 08/28/2013 9:43:45 PM PDT by Mugwump
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To: Fractal Trader

Meteor schmeteor. “They” brought it when they seeded the planet as theirs died. It was the Martian Genesis Project, aka The Lifeboat. Then a select number of them populated the reformed Earth. We’re all Martians. Geo. Nory told me. /s <—— do I really need this?


28 posted on 08/28/2013 10:02:26 PM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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29 posted on 08/28/2013 10:07:27 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Fractal Trader

LOL!
That meteorite must have had some powerful rocket boosters to escape Mars’ gravity, and a pretty good GPS to find the grain of sand in the cosmos, earth.


30 posted on 08/28/2013 10:08:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Fractal Trader

“Good evening, ladies and germs.” —Milton Berle


31 posted on 08/28/2013 10:10:21 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), Army National Guard, '89-'96)
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To: Fractal Trader
The real version:

http://www.cosmosincollision.com

32 posted on 08/28/2013 10:12:58 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: OldNavyVet
but isn't the word "organic" associated only with living structures?

Originally yes, but word usage changes over time. Now when a chemist says "organic" it means the molecule contains carbon.

33 posted on 08/28/2013 10:13:28 PM PDT by null and void (Frequent terrorist attacks OR endless government snooping and oppression? We can have both!)
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To: Fractal Trader

yeah i believe this shmuck’s guess.


34 posted on 08/28/2013 10:16:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Fractal Trader

“Human animals are descended from monkeys and pigs.” —Charles Darwin


35 posted on 08/28/2013 10:23:41 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), Army National Guard, '89-'96)
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To: Fractal Trader

Life DID begin on Mars - then we all travelled to Earth on a meteorite


Cool .....-OR-..... entirely some other way..


36 posted on 08/28/2013 10:45:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Fractal Trader
We all travelled to Earth on a meteorite

Well, some of us maybe.

37 posted on 08/28/2013 10:56:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Fractal Trader

The universe is like a very large billiards game and we are the eight ball hanging on the corner pocket.


38 posted on 08/28/2013 11:24:16 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Fractal Trader

Geeze, take the government grants away form these guys. They are real life “Sheldon Coopers” from the Big Bang Theory, who do their equations and speculate about non-provable theories. There’s a reason they are called “theoretical physicists. It’s all conjecture according to their math.


39 posted on 08/29/2013 12:01:42 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (s)
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To: Fractal Trader

My dad and grandpa knew this all along. They always called me “Just A Chip Off The Old Block”.


40 posted on 08/29/2013 12:03:05 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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Meteorite bah!

The Earth and Mars had intersecting orbits, before that last time they almost kissed.

41 posted on 08/29/2013 12:18:52 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Fractal Trader; svcw; wastedyears
Wow! This professor actually admits, "Earth is not suitable for the chemistry” [for the creation of Life].


42 posted on 08/29/2013 2:12:09 AM PDT by Mr Radical
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To: Fractal Trader; svcw; wastedyears

43 posted on 08/29/2013 2:16:35 AM PDT by Mr Radical
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To: OldNavyVet
isn't the word "organic" associated only with living structures?

No but these type stories are used to try and make laymen believe that to be the case.

44 posted on 08/29/2013 2:59:54 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Fractal Trader

When scientists can explain a simple little puzzle... which came first the chicken or the egg, I will listen.


45 posted on 08/29/2013 3:15:58 AM PDT by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: sten
Maybe life got here in Gene Hunt's Cortina.


46 posted on 08/29/2013 3:58:40 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Is this guy the same scientist that started the Global warming BS?


47 posted on 08/29/2013 4:16:14 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: LouAvul

Yep
For an atheist, it’s like having a junk yard full of parts and one day - it’s a 747 - no reason it just is


48 posted on 08/29/2013 4:56:16 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: OldNavyVet

Organic in this sense merely means it’s a carbon compound.


49 posted on 08/29/2013 5:28:16 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: OldNavyVet

There are exceptions, but the general rule of carbon based compounds applies. Things like oxides, carbides, cyanides, and carbonates are considered inorganic. (like your CO2 reference)


50 posted on 08/29/2013 5:38:39 AM PDT by EEGator
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