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Church Nativity Scene Replaces Jesus with Bloody Trayvon Martin [Why Not Trayvon As Young Mohammed?]
ABCNews ^ | December 28, 2013 | Russell Goldman

Posted on 12/28/2013 11:33:49 AM PST by Steelfish

Church Nativity Scene Replaces Jesus with Bloody Trayvon Martin

By Russell Goldman

Dec 28, 2013 HT trayvon nativity nt 131227 16x9 608 Church Nativity Scene Replaces Jesus with Bloody Trayvon Martin

John Zachary created a Nativity scene for Claremont United Methodist Church that employs a figure of Trayvon Martin as a commentary on gun violence. (David Allen/Daily Bulletin)

A California church sought to make people think about the repercussions of violence, by replacing the baby Jesus with a bloody sculpture of Trayvon Martin in a nativity scene.

What they got instead were threats.

The crèche outside the church Claremont United Methodist Church in Claremont, Calif., includes a mannequin wearing a black hooded sweatshirt with blood spilling from its chest and pooling on the ground.

“Jesus was born at a highly violent and political time and today, we still live in highly violent society,” said the Rev. Dan Lewis, a pastor at the church. “The nativity scene isn’t meant to incite anger, it is mean as an artistic expression… It is meant to be thought provoking.”

For eight years, the church has used art at Christmastime to make statements about hot-button social issues, including works about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, homelessness, imprisoned single mothers and the rights of immigrants.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: antichrist; methodist; protestant; racebaitors; sainttrayvon; sttrayvon; trayvonstroops; umc; unitedmethodist; waronchristmas

1 posted on 12/28/2013 11:33:49 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

what a misguided (disgusting, really!) thing to do to a Christmas display!

May I respectfully suggest that those responsible please pray about what they’ve done...?


2 posted on 12/28/2013 11:36:13 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Steelfish
A California church sought to make people think about the repercussions of violence, by replacing the baby Jesus with a bloody sculpture of Trayvon Martin in a nativity scene.

The takeaway being that you might get shot if you go around beating on innocent people. Wait, what?

3 posted on 12/28/2013 11:36:39 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Steelfish

How about a bloody victim of the knockout game?


4 posted on 12/28/2013 11:36:39 AM PST by FreeperCell
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To: Steelfish

Because they’d have to find a mannequin looking like a nine year old girl.


5 posted on 12/28/2013 11:38:37 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: FreeperCell
How about a bloody victim of the knockout game?


6 posted on 12/28/2013 11:40:33 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Steelfish

One of them is dead and the other is totally alive. The grave could not hold Him.


7 posted on 12/28/2013 11:42:44 AM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: Steelfish

They could have portrayed Joseph as Zimmerman, head bloodied and split open from having the sainted baby Trayvon (I refuse to in any way equate that thug who died in his sin, with the Lord and Saviour of the universe), if they wanted to complete the analogy.

These people are really begging for justice, real justice, the kind they will receive at the Great White Throne Judgement. When every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord. It will be too bad that they waited until they were forced to do so, in the company of the demons and all other creations which refused to do so in their lifetimes when they had the freewill choice.


8 posted on 12/28/2013 11:43:18 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Steelfish
Hey Zimmerman, what do you think of your fellow Democrats and Obama supporters now?
9 posted on 12/28/2013 11:43:51 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Steelfish

Does the Christmas display show Trayvon slamming a guys head repeatedly against the concrete?


10 posted on 12/28/2013 11:44:27 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Moonman62

This is hell’s game, to expurgate details that matter. It didn’t use to be that bold because integrity counted for something. Now we have the folly of the Garden played out in plain sight (make virtually anything out to be good or evil that you want, because of expurgating things that matter) and all we can do is say la-di-dah? Come ON folks, God expects better out of us.


11 posted on 12/28/2013 11:47:08 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: mrsmel

I’d just like to comment that if we weren’t so spiritually blind (and now thanks to the Lord I am only “sand blind” at this point of my life, versus seeing absolutely nothing as before) we wouldn’t need the GWT to warn us of accountability!

We’ve forgotten the love-your-God and love-your-neighbor commandments big time. And those of us who think the interaction between George and Trayvon was way too marked with sad distance (at the least) might consider our own lives; are we distanced from one another? Are we here to brag of how right we are and get attaboys, or are we here to spur on one another to love and good deeds?


12 posted on 12/28/2013 11:51:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: faithhopecharity

They surely could have gotten a grant from the NEA to fund it.


13 posted on 12/28/2013 11:52:06 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: mrsmel

And I mean that about the distancing. One person validly pointed out that had Trayvon tried to defuse by asking Zimmerman why the eye, the altercation probably wouldn’t have happened, and quite fair enough that’s true. Have we asked the same of Zimmerman? I don’t think he called out to Trayvon either. Both could have penetrated the thicket of demons, and maybe even Zimmerman was in a better position to do it. Once the physical fight started, yes it’s crystal clear that Trayvon was doing the worse thing and that Zimmerman did not err to shoot. But I boldly aver that both erred prior to the physical fight in failing to take steps to fight a worse foe: Satan.


14 posted on 12/28/2013 11:56:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: jimfree

maybe they did


15 posted on 12/28/2013 12:02:43 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Steelfish

No black flash mobs robbing stores in the background?


16 posted on 12/28/2013 12:06:06 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Agree. This has got to upset the Son and the Father. I wonder what John MacArthur thinks of this?


17 posted on 12/28/2013 12:10:25 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: faithhopecharity

Next to the Episcopal Church (to which I converted and subsequently left), the Methodist Church (in which I was raised) is the most odious in Big Religion.


18 posted on 12/28/2013 12:15:18 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Steelfish

They should show the crucified bloody Jesus rather than a guy who picked the wrong guy to mug.


19 posted on 12/28/2013 12:16:39 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Steelfish

I left the United Methodist Church finally after 10 years of struggling. Stay and fight or just move. The church is split hopelessly. There is a silent majority of God loving souls that tolerate the insanity produced by the divinity schools. The truth is most of preachers/pastors come from one conservative school, Asbury. The rest of the affiliated schools produce these liberal social justice driven ministers. Your better off if the guy who preaches refers to himself as pastor... I suspect you have an Emory grad in Claremont... good luck.


20 posted on 12/28/2013 12:19:03 PM PST by pithyinme (Oh great 3 more years of crap to wade through....)
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To: Steelfish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-FCYPRbQ4


21 posted on 12/28/2013 12:24:08 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Steelfish
Blasphemy
22 posted on 12/28/2013 12:24:13 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Steelfish

23 posted on 12/28/2013 12:27:27 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Arm_Bears

I hope you have, or will, find a church that is good for you...
the most dangerous “heresies” I believe today include:
1. putting anything (including “community organizing” or “social justice” or whatever) ahead of God (I am not saying a church shouldn’t be interested in improving the earthly lives of people, just that it maintain priorities while doing so)
2. becoming too money-oriented (constant fundraising, ornate palaces or high lifestyles or heavy spending by those in charge, etc.)
3. preaching to please the audience (approving continued sinful lifestyles or even endorsing or blessing them, teaching “free” or “cheap grace” whereby nothing is expected of the parishioners in terms of how they is to lead their lives...or the “magical salvation formula” whereby a few sprinkles, or even a few quick dunkings, allegedly result in the conferral of perpetual grace with zero response or change or improvement in one’s morality or ethics, preaching anti-Semitism or otherwise not showing support for the Jewish people the Church is grafted into as family, preaching anti-Whitey sermons like at a certain infamous Chicago “church” we’ve all heard about, or preaching a whole lot of love while not demonstrating it from the pulpit or as a church community, etc.)

lot of things to avoid these days, for as Jesus taught...Matthew 7:15, 16; ... Matthew 7:23.

But there are a number of “good” churches to be found, too.
Keep looking around, please, if you perchance haven’t yet found one. You’ll be glad you did. Very glad.
Best,
fhc


24 posted on 12/28/2013 12:33:08 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: JoeProBono

I notice the kneeling Virgin Mary is still in the picture but no view of the goats, shepherds, sheep or cows.

This is an in your face blasphemy. Try portraying Mohammed or any of his clan who actually were butchered and we’ll have Clinton apologizing all day and night.
Never mind, “What difference does it make”


25 posted on 12/28/2013 12:36:20 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: faithhopecharity; All

This depiction actually sums up the truly rotten state of our nation. They systematically infiltrated the schools, took over the colleges, and them spread their poisonous tentacles into the professions and most important onto the judiciary. America will never be the same. Sad but true.


26 posted on 12/28/2013 1:09:11 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

             

27 posted on 12/28/2013 1:13:16 PM PST by tomkat (bravo !)
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To: pithyinme
I suspect you have an Emory grad in Claremont... good luck.

He's actually a Montana State University grad who got his divinity degree at Iliff in Colorado. However, the Claremont School of Theology, which is right next door to the Claremont First United Methodist Church, trains many, if not most of the Methodist clergy in Southern California and is a hotbed of far-left radicalism.

28 posted on 12/28/2013 1:27:16 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Steelfish

No wonder some people think Christians are a little “off”.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 1:45:07 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Steelfish

‘A California church.....’

a CALEEFRONKEE’ Church, you say?


30 posted on 12/28/2013 1:47:23 PM PST by jimsin
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To: Steelfish

Did they have him jumping out from behind a bush and attacking one of the wise men?


31 posted on 12/28/2013 2:42:41 PM PST by ~Pandora
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To: Steelfish

You are right. Replacing Jesus with ANYBODY is total sacrilege and it being done at a “a church” is an abomination.


32 posted on 12/28/2013 2:55:34 PM PST by doc maverick
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To: Steelfish

These are Satanists, not Christians.


33 posted on 12/28/2013 9:04:59 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Steelfish
“The nativity scene isn’t meant to incite anger, it is mean as an artistic expression… It is meant to be thought provoking.”

Yeah, right.

FU Rev!

34 posted on 12/29/2013 1:19:48 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

It has provoked some thought in me alright, but not in the direction to which I’m sure they intended.


35 posted on 12/30/2013 9:01:25 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Steelfish
So went by there this evening after work, of course several television stations were set up (mostly Mexican media, err, I mean ‘Hispanic’ as they couldn't get a good view with all the other stations there last night.) Several people taking pictures with personal cameras, and myself, laughing my head off.

Of course, it is ‘little kid’ Treyvan, and the lambs, etc are all silhouettes. Honestly, we've passed by this thing over and over again for nearly a month, and neither my wife or I figured out it was supposed to be a fake nativity. We simply assumed it was the typical liberal Claremont (we've never had a racist incident we didn't fake) display.

All in all, our first thought when we heard the controversy was ‘gosh, least Christians won't blow up the church over the display’ and ‘wonder when they'll put up a headless Mohamed?’

Oh, wait, did I mention this display had been there for nearly a month? Obviously the church wasn't getting the attention they desired, so in my old press e-mail account, lookie what's there - a PR news release from the church about the ‘nativity scene.’ Least they decided to wait until the day after Christmas to send it out.

36 posted on 12/30/2013 6:16:45 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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