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Solar output correlates with the North Atlantic jet stream over a millennium
Jonova ^ | March 16th, 2014 | Joanne

Posted on 03/16/2014 2:41:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A new paper (Moffa-Sánchez et al) reports that they looked at layers of dead plankton in ocean mud (otherwise known as foraminifera in marine sediments) and have reconstructed the temperature and salinity of a couple of spots in the North Atlantic between 818AD – 1780 with data on δ18O and the Mg/Ca ratios. One immediate thought, an aside, is that if this technique works, there is no shortage of ocean mud, surely, and perhaps we could drill and analyze more mud for solar correlations in other places. (I hear foraminifera live in the Southern Hemisphere too). Perhaps no one is looking for the connection with the sun?

Moffa-Sánchez et al find the big climate shifts (the 100-year variations) correlate with total solar irradiance (TSI). See especially that orange line black line track in the d graph below. I stress, correlations don’t mean causation and the mechanism is mere speculation. But I find the graph intruiging. There are a lot of turning points, and in pure “curve fitting” type of analysis, this is a better curve fit than the one with CO2. (Find me a turning point that matches with carbon dioxide!) I suspect we’ll be referring back to this paper, and I hanker for more TSI comparisons with other sites and regions.

Figure 2 | Proxy records from RAPiD-17-5P. a, Solar irradiance forcing reconstruction based on the cosmogenic nuclide 10Be (ref. 10; orange) and global volcanic stratospheric aerosols30 (grey) TSI, total solar irradiance. b,
Temperature and c, salinity/18Osw estimates derived from paired Mg/Ca and 18O measurements in G. inflata calcite from RAPiD-17-5P. SMOW, standard mean ocean water. d, Three-point smoothed temperature record
from RAPiD-17-5P (black) and 1TSI (ref. 10) (orange). A 12.42-year lag has been imposed on the 1TSI forcing as indicated from the highest Pearson correlation (Supplementary Notes, Supplementary Fig. 3). Shaded areas
highlight the well-known periods of solar minima. (Click to enlarge and see original unscaled graph*)

The researchers suggest that when solar activity is low the winter jet stream over the North Atlantic is more likely to get blocked. (Which means vast tongues of cold arctic air stretch far to the south, and someone somewhere, gets freaky and not-nice weather.)

Scientists studied seafloor sediments to determine how the temperature of the North Atlantic and its localised atmospheric circulation had altered. Warm surface waters flowing across the North Atlantic, an extension of the Gulf Stream, and warm westerly winds are responsible for the relatively mild climate of Europe, especially in winter. Slight changes in the transport of heat associated with these systems can lead to regional climate variability, and the study findings matched historic accounts of climate change, including the notoriously severe winters of the 16th and 18th centuries which pre-date global industrialisation. — Science Daily

Back when CO2 levels were “ideal” the climate apparently swung wildly:

The results of these analyses revealed large and abrupt temperature and salinity changes in the north-flowing warm current on time-scales of several decades to centuries. Cold ocean conditions were found to match periods of low solar energy output, corresponding to intervals of low sunspot activity observed on the surface of the sun. Using a physics-based climate model, the authors were able to test the response of the ocean to changes in the solar output and found similar results to the data.

Low solar activity happened at the same time as blocking patterns appeared over Europe in the little Ice Age:

The results agree with the early concept that the severe winters experienced in Europe during the Maunder Minimum were caused by periods of increased atmospheric blocking1 and are also consistent with SLP field reconstructions that show a high-pressure system over northwest Europe towards the end of the Spörer and during the Maunder Minimum 20. Similarly, a number of studies suggest a negative NAO state during the Maunder Minimum or other periods of low TSI (ref. 21), in agreement with increased blocking arising from the weaker westerly winds.

Has the TSI stopped correlating? There is evidence from the last 50 years that supports the connection:

Growing evidence for the linkage between solar variability and frequency of blocking in the Northeast Atlantic has also been provided by meteorological studies. Modern observations show strong solar modulation of the blocking frequency and positioning during the 11-year solar cycles for the past 50 years, impacting substantially on UK winter temperatures22,23

The HockeySchtick points out:

The new paper contradicts claims by CAGW alarmist Jennifer Francis that global warming will cause an increase of jet stream blocking events, finding instead that jet stream blocking was more common during cold periods such as the Little Ice Age.

The researchers point out that none of these natural swings will be as big and as important as man-made CO2, not that anything in their results suggests that at all, but they have to put in these caveats in order to get published.

The essential, meaningless caveat:

“Predictions suggest a prolonged period of low sun activity over the next few decades, but any associated natural temperature changes will be much smaller than those created by human carbon dioxide emissions, say researchers.”

The two ice cores are the black dots south of Greenland and Iceland in this map.

Figure 1 | Sea surface temperature map for January 2008 showing the schematic surface circulation of the North Atlantic and the core location of RAPiD-17-5P and RAPiD-35-25B (Supplementary Methods). Solid arrows indicate the warm salty waters from the tropics, namely the North Atlantic Current (NAC) and its main branches such as the Irminger Current (IC). The dashed arrows indicate the cold polar south-flowing waters such as the East Greenland Current,West Greenland Current and Labrador Current, which constitute the western branch of the subpolar gyre (SPG). Locations of RAPiD-17-5P (61 28.900 N, 19 32.160 W, 2,303m water depth) and RAPiD-35-25B (57 30.470 N, 48 43.400 W, 3,486m water depth) are marked with a black circle (adapted from UK Met Office Operational Sea Surface Temperature and Ice Analysis data29).

Where are all those Australian proxies?

There are hardly any long term reconstructions of Australian temperatures. There are so few, the scientific-ABC nexus got all excited over a paper by Gergis et al which essentially reconstructed the temperature of the entirety of Australasia in 1200 AD from just two tree proxies. The paper claimed Australasia had warmed by the frightening amount of nine one hundredths of a degree in the last 1000 years. Not long later it was withdrawn. We still wonder why it was published. But my point is, can we do foraminifera studies downunder? (Or corals, stalagmites, clam shells, etc).  Surely we are not short of ocean mud.


There were several centennial-scale fluctuations in the climate and oceanography of the North Atlantic region over the past 1,000 years, including a period of relative cooling from about AD 1450 to 1850 known as the Little Ice Age1. These variations may be linked to changes in solar irradiance, amplified through feedbacks including the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation2. Changes in the return limb of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation are reflected in water properties at the base of the mixed layer south of Iceland. Here we reconstruct thermocline temperature and salinity in this region from AD 818 to 1780 using paired 18O and Mg/Ca ratio measurements of foraminifer shells from a subdecadally resolved marine sediment core. The reconstructed centennial-scale variations in hydrography  correlate with variability in total solar irradiance. We find a similar correlation in a simulation of climate over the past 1,000 years.We infer that the hydrographic changes probably reflect variability in the strength of the subpolar gyre associated with changes in atmospheric circulation. Specifically, in the simulation, low solar irradiance promotes the development of frequent and persistent atmospheric blocking events, in which a quasi-stationary high-pressure system in the eastern North Atlantic modifies the flow of the westerly winds.We conclude that this process could have contributed to the consecutive cold winters documented in Europe during the Little Ice Age.



Paola Moffa-Sánchez, Andreas Born, Ian R. Hall, David J. R. Thornalley & Stephen Barker (2014) Solar forcing of North Atlantic surface temperature and salinity over the past millennium, Nature Geoscience, doi:10.1038/ngeo2094   [abstract]

21. Gray, L. J. et al. Solar influences on climate. Rev. Geophys. 48, RG4001 (2010).

22. Woollings, T., Lockwood, M., Masato, G., Bell, C. & Gray, L. Enhanced
signature of solar variability in eurasian winter climate. Geophys. Res. Lett. 37,
L20805 (2010).
23. Barriopedro, D., García-Herrera, R. & Huth, R. Solar modulation of Northern
Hemisphere winter blocking. J. Geophys. Res. 113, D14118 (2008)
h/t HockeySchtick and Tallbloke see also Science Daily

*The original graph is tall and skinny. It seems a waste to compress a thousand years of information so I stretched the image horizontally, but otherwise did not change it.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; jetstream; sun

1 posted on 03/16/2014 2:41:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; Fred Nerks; Tolerance Sucks Rocks


2 posted on 03/16/2014 2:43:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Now, the Libs will be thinking they can put a control switch on the Sun to tone it down when we get too hot or turn it up when we get too cold.

3 posted on 03/16/2014 2:54:53 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: All; Redcloak
Related thread:

Jet stream shift could prompt harsher winters: scientists

4 posted on 03/16/2014 2:56:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m going to your article next, which is more in line with what I think. How in the heck can the sun, which is like millions of miles away, have ANYTHING to do with our climate. All this bad climate crap has only started since we started flying airplanes in our OWN atmosphere. to read your article about all the damage those jet streams have done.

5 posted on 03/16/2014 3:00:27 PM PDT by 21twelve ( 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Highlighting this:

The researchers suggest that when solar activity is low the winter jet stream over the North Atlantic is more likely to get blocked. (Which means vast tongues of cold arctic air stretch far to the south, and someone somewhere, gets freaky and not-nice weather.)

6 posted on 03/16/2014 3:00:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: 21twelve

The reason that the results of this research are not acceptable is that the cause cannot be taxed of regulated.

7 posted on 03/16/2014 3:09:00 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bflr = bump for later reading

8 posted on 03/16/2014 3:09:04 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“... perhaps no one is looking ...”

OF COURSE NO ONE IS LOOKING ..!!! This is not about the climate .. this is about MONEY; MONEY; MONEY.

Just more “distribution of wealth” garbage!

9 posted on 03/16/2014 3:13:37 PM PDT by CyberAnt (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The problem with climatology, is that it’s a science which basis it’s future predictions on readings taken from the past. It doesn’t matter if your climate scientist is for global warming/climate change or against such dire predictions. The fact is, you can not predict the climate of the future based on the past.

It’s like looking at the weather from the past month, and then trying to predict the weather for the next month. The earth has cycles which for the most part are rather predictable in their appearance. When it is the 20th or 21st of December winter is here, when the same dates occur in March spring is her, and in June there will be summer and in September comes fall. What is completely unpredictable is the severity of the weather during these seasons.

Regardless of the variations of occasionally hot summers, or occasionally cold winters these seasons have come and gone since the dawn of the human race, and they will continue until the end of the human race.

Oh how wish though on this rather cold March day, that at some point in my lifetime I will see palm trees and white sandy beaches during the winter without having to spend a couple of grand to get closer to the equator. Alas, I highly doubt that will ever occur.

10 posted on 03/16/2014 3:24:51 PM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It would have been more honest to reverse the two factors in the title, i.e., Ocean jet stream correlates to solar output.

11 posted on 03/16/2014 3:27:23 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dear Drs. Moffa-Sãnchez, et al:

We at Nature Geoscience have noted that the timescale on the chart in figure 2 of your submission contain a dimensional error... Please resubmit your paper for reconsideration using the acceptable, Godless timescale designator, "C.E.".

Your use of the "A.D." timescale designator is unacceptable to this publication.

Warmest Regards,

Gloria Boulle-Wahrming
Assistant Editor, Nature Geoscience

12 posted on 03/16/2014 4:29:25 PM PDT by Rodamala
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Well, that’s not really so.

Why do I say that? Because we have had Ice Ages. There were times when it was a heck of a lot colder, for tens of thousands of years.

Warmer? No, there have been no Fire Age, or whatever you would call something equally warmer. The weather we have now is called an Interglacial. It is as warm as it gets. Maybe a few thousand years ago it was slightly warmer by a few degrees Celsius. But never hot. The whole planet won’t get hot like the Left thinks it will. BUT... Someday the ice WILL return.

13 posted on 03/16/2014 4:36:58 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Imppssible. We all know the sun has no impact on climate whatsoever. Dirty ol’ carbon dioxide causes climate.

14 posted on 03/16/2014 4:59:57 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

2014 coldest since 1912.

What caused the “Polar Vortex” in 1912?

15 posted on 03/16/2014 6:41:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OMG, global weather is controlled by the sun...whoodarhunkit?

16 posted on 03/16/2014 7:19:22 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jeffersony")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The researchers suggest that when solar activity is low the winter jet stream over the North Atlantic is more likely to get blocked. (Which means vast tongues of cold arctic air stretch far to the south, and someone somewhere, gets freaky and not-nice weather.)

when solar activity is low = low sunspot count

It turns out that the Sun's magnetic field is in decline,

leading to low or zero sunspot count

last time this occurred there was a mini ice age that lasted 400 years, 1350 to 1750.

17 posted on 03/16/2014 11:36:52 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks Ernest.

18 posted on 03/17/2014 7:47:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: spokeshave

And the physical process that leads to all that can be replicated in a laboratory with the appropriate apparatus.

It doesn’t rely in unvalidated computer models.

19 posted on 03/20/2014 4:53:23 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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