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Retired 777 Pilot Calls the Show (Rush Limbaugh)
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 3-18-2014 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 03/18/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by servo1969

RUSH: I've got a call up I want to take now. It's a retired 777 pilot. If I wanted to really sound like I was hip, I'd say triple seven. If I wanted to sound like a network TV guy, I'd say we have a retired triple seven pilot, make you think I really knew what I was talking about. The man calls himself Captain Luke, and he's from South Carolina. And Captain Luke, great to have you with us on the program. Hello, sir.

CALLER: Great to be back. Rush, I talked to you once before in 1990, and it's been a long time.

RUSH: Well, that's like 19 years ago --

CALLER: Yes, it is.

RUSH: -- 22 years ago, that is. Well, it's great to have you back, Captain. How long did you fly the triple seven?

CALLER: I flew it for four years on an international basis, and domestic, from 2000 to 2004. I flew into Beijing and Singapore, all that area, as well as Frankfurt in Europe and other places, but --

RUSH: Did you ever launch out of Kuala Lumpur?

CALLER: Never did. (laughing)

RUSH: Your first flight on a 777, were you in the right side seat or the left side, in your first flight? In other words, you got your rating in the simulator, right?

CALLER: Yeah. The way these simulators are, the virtual reality, they're just amazing, multi-access simulators. They have huge computer rooms that control all the visuals and the movements and you really can't tell you're not in an airplane except you can kind of tell the visuals are a little cartoony, sort of like a video game.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: But they work in real life.

RUSH: So it's entirely possible that people on a -- well, it doesn't matter, a 777, 767, whatever, the pilot there may actually be flying it for the first time?

CALLER: Yeah, I flew my first flight as a captain, I had a check captain in the right seat who was giving me a line check and once he signs me off for so many landings, I make five successful landings we can taxi away from, then he signs me off to be in command of the airplane. Of course I had, you know, 15 years of command experience on other aircraft, including the 767 --

RUSH: Well, it's so expensive.

CALLER: -- and 727.

RUSH: It's so expensive to --

CALLER: Yeah.

RUSH: -- fly these things that actual on-board training is cost prohibitive. That's why the simulators, for other reasons. Okay, so you've heard everything I assume that's being bandied about to explain this. You flew the airplane, you've heard everything. What are your thoughts?

CALLER: Well, my thought is basically, I think you and I are thinking on the same lines -- you've heard of Occam's razor, right?

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: Occam's razor is what I believe, that the simplest explanation is probably the one that's true. And the thing that I believe happened is I think one of the pilots commandeered the airplane from the other pilot. My personal feeling is it might be the captain. The flight path climbed up precipitously to 45,000 feet, stalled, and then dove down to 25,000 feet 'til it was recovered, would probably parallel a cockpit fight for control of the aircraft.

So I think what happened was the other pilot didn't want to go along with what the other pilot was doing, so they started fighting. And during that time nobody was flying the airplane, it started climbing, went into a stall and finally somebody got control and recovered the airplane at 25,000 feet, then it took off in whatever direction they think it took off. My personal feeling is the airplane is probably at the bottom of the sea. He probably dove it into the ocean a la Flight 93 at about six, 700 knots, and they won't find any debris field. It will be too small.

RUSH: I need to ask you a question based on some of the stuff I've heard on television. For example, it has been all over television that if you take a 777 to 45,000 feet, the passengers automatically die, and I've been screaming at the TV listening to people say this.

CALLER: No.

RUSH: These people want us to believe that you can't pressurize a 777 to fly at 45,000 feet?

CALLER: Yeah, the 45,000 restriction is really more of a high-speed stall --

RUSH: But, I mean, you can get up there.

CALLER: Oh, yeah.

RUSH: The magic altitude of 45,000 feet does not depressurize the airplane and kill the passengers, right?

CALLER: No.

RUSH: Folks, this is classic of what I've been talking about. I mean, this is all over the media: you go to 45,000 feet and the passengers die. The only way you could do that is if you guys in the cockpit depressurize the cabin, right?

CALLER: Even if we do, there's still about 20 minutes worth of oxygen that's gonna pop out of the overhead --

RUSH: Oh, no, the experts on TV say they'd be dead in two seconds, Captain.

CALLER: No, I've been through hypoxia school, you know, where they train you in a pressure chamber.

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: You can actually be without oxygen at 35,000 feet for about 20 seconds before you lose useful consciousness. And what that means is you cannot think anymore. You aren't dead, you aren't unconscious yet, but you have lost the ability to flip a switch or to reason.

RUSH: It's what happened to the poor people on board that Lear that was carrying Payne Stewart somewhere.

CALLER: Yeah.

RUSH: They depressurized, they slowly lost consciousness, and they just went to sleep and then the plane ran out of fuel and crashed.

CALLER: Right. They were probably still alive, just unconscious.

RUSH: Right. Now, explain something to me. I just want to clarify. The 777, what is -- like, for example, the Gulfstream 550 is rated at 51,000. You can go up, stay there, perfectly safe. It'll actually fly higher than that, but the rating is 51,000. What is it for a 777?

CALLER: It's 43,000, is recommended. I don't know if that's the limit; it's just a recommendation of the maximum they want you to fly.

RUSH: But the airplane as manufactured could easily fly at 45,000 feet?

CALLER: Easily. I could fly it all day at 45,000.

RUSH: Okay, folks, there's no magic that equals passenger death at 45,000 feet. This is exactly the kind --

CALLER: That's correct.

RUSH: -- misinformation. Now, I have a scenario here that I ran into by another pilot, a former pilot. I don't know if he flew the 777. His name is Chris Goodfellow, and he put this theory of his up on Google Plus. It is a theory rooted in simplicity. It does not involve your theory, but I want to get your thoughts on it.

CALLER: Sure.

RUSH: This is his theory as written. "Shortly after takeoff, as Malaysia 370 was flying out over the ocean, just after the co-pilot gave his final 'Good night' sign-off to Malaysia air traffic control, smoke began filling the cockpit, perhaps from a tire on the front landing gear that had ignited on takeoff. The captain immediately did exactly what he had been trained to do: turn the plane toward the closest airport so he could land. The closest appropriate airport was called Pulau Langkawi. It had a massive 13,000-foot runway. The captain programmed the destination into the flight computer. The autopilot turned the plane west and put it on a course right for the runway (the same heading the plane turned to).

"The captain and co-pilot tried to find the source of the smoke and fire. They switched off electrical 'busses' to try to isolate it, in the process turning off systems like the transponder and ACARs automated update system (but not, presumably, the autopilot, which was flying the plane). They did not issue a distress call, because in a midair emergency your priorities are 'aviate, navigate, communicate' -- in that order." Is that true? If it isn't, I don't need to go any further.

CALLER: Aviate, navigate, and communicate, that's correct.

RUSH: Okay, let's go. "But smoke soon filled the cockpit and overwhelmed them (a tire fire could do this). The pilots passed out or died." The smoke spread to the cabin, the cockpit doors locked, nobody can get in there. There's nobody that knows what's going on, smoke inhalation. They didn't get their masks on or whatever, and they're on that heading for that runway and they run out of fuel seven hours later and just what you said, plunge. Now, the root of this theory is some sort of mechanical. Tire fire is his theory that eventually incapacitated the crew, nobody could get in the cockpit. I'm glad you're here. Could nobody get in the cockpit if this scenario had happened?

CALLER: Well, the flight attendants can get in the cockpit. They have a way to access it. I won't give it out over the air.

RUSH: Okay.

CALLER: But they can if they want to. Yeah.

RUSH: Okay, so what are your thoughts on this theory, it's mechanical, it's relatively --

CALLER: Well, the first thing that bothers me is that the first procedure you do when you have smoke in the cockpit is you raise cabin pressure. No, actually, the first thing you do is you put on your oxygen mask a hundred percent, which would block out any ambient air that could come in your mask. The second thing you do is you raise the cabin pressure to evacuate the smoke. The possibility of a nose wheel tire being on fire, there's no brakes on the nose wheel, I don't understand how it could heat up enough to catch fire. I know a main gear brake can catch fire. But for it to get into the cockpit it would have to get into the ventilation system, or burn its way through the pressure hull.

RUSH: Let's keep --

CALLER: It would take an hour for a fire to burn through the pressure hull from the nose gear compartment. Maybe half an hour.

RUSH: Okay. What if the smoke was due to fire? They've got the masks on but the fire just consumed them?

CALLER: A fire is probably the most scariest thing to happen in flight. If you remember that TWA flight that had a fire, they had landed the airplane within 20 minutes and within 20 minutes the whole airplane was engulfed in flames. Our teachings as pilots when we go through school is that once you have uncontrolled on-board fire that you have to get that airplane on the ground within 20 minutes or less or everybody's gonna be dead. You'll lose control of the airplane. The airplane will become unflyable or everybody will be dead from asphyxiation. So you immediately start descending which he didn't do immediately, okay?

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: So that would kind of shoot that down. The second thing is him being asphyxiated, unlikely unless the pilot's oxygen system was malfunctioning. That's a double malfunction now we're talking about. I think the theory is good in theory, but it's not the simplest, it's not Occam's razor. It's not the simplest explanation.

RUSH: Well, there's something else that argues against it and that is the latest news that that left turn was programmed into the onboard computer before the copilot signed off. Now, we don't know.

CALLER: He might have been planning to attack the copilot and programmed it without the copilot knowing and had it set to go so all he had to do was punch the go button and then start the fight with the copilot and turn off-course.

RUSH: Why would you conduct a test on the copilot that way with passengers on board? If I heard you right.

CALLER: Say it again? I'm sorry. I misunderstood.

RUSH: You said they might have been testing the copilot, did I --

CALLER: No. Before he attacked the copilot.

RUSH: Oh. Oh. Before he attacked the copilot.

CALLER: I'm just assuming the captain's the one because he is the one that had issues.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: So that's the simple explanation to me. If he took it into the Bay of Bengal or somewhere in the Indian Ocean going about six, 700 knots vertical, just like Flight 93, the pieces of the airplane would be the size of your thumb. There won't be any debris field. There might be an oil slick, but if it flew on for several hours and then he did it there would be no oil slick 'cause he burned up all the fuel.

RUSH: Okay, gotta run, but one more question. Given your theory, are they ever going to find any evidence?

CALLER: Probably not.

RUSH: Probably not. So what will people like you, pilots, what will officials, airlines now tell them going forward? You try to learn from every incident. You try to educate flight crews based on every malfunction that happens. What's gonna be taught about this?

CALLER: Well, I've talked to the chief pilot of our company and I've talked to the FBI about this. I said I think we have a lot of foreign nationals that are flying for American flag carries now and we need to do background checks, see who they're calling in Pakistan, see who they're associated with politically. I think there's a lot of danger when you have the cockpit door locked. You might have a jihadi or a person with some kind of suicide mission in his mind. When I first started flying for the airlines there were no foreign nationals except Canadians flying with us. It was after the eighties we started hiring a bunch of people from Afghanistan --

RUSH: You mean on American Airlines?

CALLER: Or an American carrier.

RUSH: American carrier.

CALLER: I think you need to have an American citizen to be a command pilot of an American carrier. Right now they're not. You don't need to be an American citizen to be in command of an American carrier.

RUSH: Obviously not if you can go to flight school and learn how to take one off but not land it. I mean, there's all kinds of --

CALLER: I mean, the pilot, you know, in the airline business, I mean just getting hired by an airline. I think part of the ATP requirement to be a command pilot in the United States should be you have to be a citizen of the United States.

RUSH: Well, that'd be discriminatory. That'd be unfair.

CALLER: Well, it's also safe. You have to swear allegiance to the United States, be a citizen --

RUSH: Oh, no, no, no.

CALLER: -- background checks.

RUSH: That's nationalism. We can't have that.

CALLER: Yeah, I know. (laughing) I'm an Old Navy vet, so I'm pretty nationalistic. Sorry.

RUSH: Well, Captain, I'm glad you called. I'm really glad you got through.

CALLER: Yeah, I'm amazed I got through.

RUSH: Yeah, me, too. There's a reason why you only get through twice in like 20 years, but you did it, and I'm glad you did, and thank you.

CALLER: God bless you.


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Photo of the actual missing aircraft taken as it flew over Poland on February 5, 2014.

1 posted on 03/18/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
If he took it into the Bay of Bengal or somewhere in the Indian Ocean going about six, 700 knots vertical, just like Flight 93, the pieces of the airplane would be the size of your thumb.

I would love love to see evidence for THAT assertion.

2 posted on 03/18/2014 12:30:15 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: servo1969
Well, the flight attendants can get in the cockpit. They have a way to access it. I won't give it out over the air.
Oh, great. Now we'll have every jihadist in the world trying to figure that out.
3 posted on 03/18/2014 12:31:27 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: servo1969

Thanks for posting this conversation.

I’m going to accept the captain’s explanations and stop obsessing about what happened to MH370.


4 posted on 03/18/2014 12:31:39 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: oh8eleven

The crew up front still has veto authority. That’s why he didn’t feel it was too sensitive to mention.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 12:38:05 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: servo1969

It’s good to finally dispense with the phony idea of everyone dying at 45,000 feet ... LOL ...


6 posted on 03/18/2014 12:40:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Veto!

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7 posted on 03/18/2014 12:44:55 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: servo1969

Someone correct me if I have this wrong, but from what I’ve heard, his statement about “The flight path climbed up precipitously to 45,000 feet, stalled, and then dove down to 25,000 feet ‘til it was recovered” is based on interpolation from primary radar returns only. If the transponder was still on and these altitudes were actually reported via Mode C transponder, then I withdraw any disagreement. But if the captain is basing his comments on data taken from primary radar returns only then it’s extremely flimsy evidence because primary surveillance radar (PSR) only provides distance and bearing information - not elevation.

The source of this data has been given as “China and the US” which, since we don’t have any airports over there, I take to mean China and the “US Military”, which also has more sophisticated radar systems that can provide more precise information (PAR) for ground controlled approaches (GCA). But these radars have a range of 10-20 miles and are used to allow ground controllers to guide approaching aircraft onto a carrier, and it’s implausible to think that one would happen to be looking 5 to 8 miles staight up at exactly the right time.


8 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:00 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: don-o; servo1969
If he took it into the Bay of Bengal or somewhere in the Indian Ocean going about six, 700 knots vertical, just like Flight 93, the pieces of the airplane would be the size of your thumb.
I would love love to see evidence for THAT assertion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkZoY7c_Bo4

9 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:22 PM PDT by fso301
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To: don-o
I would love love to see evidence for THAT assertion.

IIRC, the valujet crash into the Everglades left only the engines in any size or form. 10 feet under the swamp was limestone, and the plane just disappeared. I dont think they ever found much, if any human remains.

Valu Jet crash into the everglades

10 posted on 03/18/2014 12:45:56 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: don-o
I would love love to see evidence for THAT assertion.

IIRC, the valujet crash into the Everglades left only the engines in any size or form. 10 feet under the swamp was limestone, and the plane just disappeared. I dont think they ever found much, if any human remains.

Valu Jet crash into the everglades

11 posted on 03/18/2014 12:46:03 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: servo1969
RUSH: Folks, this is classic of what I've been talking about. I mean, this is all over the media: you go to 45,000 feet and the passengers die. The only way you could do that is if you guys in the cockpit depressurize the cabin, right?...Exactly, Rush - that's what at least some of us holding to the 45000 foot theory say - not your straw man argument that they would be automatically killed, but that someone in the cockpit deliberately cut off their oxygen to subdue them, which would have been more effective at 45000 feet than at 35000 cruising altitude - Rush then went on to talk about there being "no evidence" that this happened, and ironically a bit later mentioned Sherlock Holmes in relation to trying to solve the mystery - too bad he didn't recall Sherlock's most famous case about the dog that didn't bark - in this case we have the passengers who didn't protest - the supposed flight path of the plane has it making an about face turn and then flying back over water and then land for about an hour - how is it possible in all this time not one passenger got on a cell or air to ground phone to try to communicate with someone about something - reception might have been impossible over the water, but surely not entirely absent while it was still over land for about an hour - I'm still with those who think this plane is down on land somewhere.....
12 posted on 03/18/2014 12:48:35 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: fso301

So there’s a huge solid wall out in the ocean for a plane to obliterate on? Who knew?


13 posted on 03/18/2014 12:49:34 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Veto!
Good. Another plausible. I am a little tired of the arm chair experts and their constant yapping about things they know nothing about. It's almost comical how everyone has a theory (even some plausible ones), but almost everyone's theory is based upon bad information on flying airplanes.

Oooo, the pilots turned off the transponder. There are plausible reasons, only one of which is nefarious.

Oooo, the aircraft climbed to 45000, above the service ceiling. There are plausible reasons, one of which is not nefarious: they actually didn't. One of the reason for a transponder is to display altitude. No transponder, no known altitude because radar cannot estimate not altitude well.

Oooo, no distress call. Several plausible reasons, and only one indicates that someone was doing something wrong with the aircraft.

Personally, I favor the flight deck fire theory, or the crew theft theory, but at least I know what I am talking about even if I don't know what actually happened to MH 370.
14 posted on 03/18/2014 12:51:15 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: servo1969

We’re in the aviation business and my husband knows a United Airlines chief pilot who found himself next to a muslim co-pilot who was in the cockpit complaining about the US government. The chief pilot refused to leave his seat - not even to go to the bathroom.

What the hell is United doing hiring such people????


15 posted on 03/18/2014 12:51:18 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: oh8eleven

Jihadists already know how. And, they also know it can be immediately disabled by the pilots and lock even the F/As out.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 12:53:06 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: oh8eleven
Well, the flight attendants can get in the cockpit. They have a way to access it. I won't give it out over the air.

It's probably a doggie door -- so you don't have to worry about the Muslims using it.

17 posted on 03/18/2014 12:53:37 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: bigbob

You are absolute correct. The altitude thing is getting way too much attention. It is likely bogus, or at least inaccurate.


18 posted on 03/18/2014 12:54:13 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: servo1969

I stated in another thread that ‘I’m done with this distraction’.

Lunch break: Couldn’t resist reading this and stopped at the following...

...burn through the pressure hull...

That thought escaped me. It debunks the fire in the nosewheel theory (depressurization). The climb to 45k is a preposterous reaction to that scenario.

I go back to my prior comment ‘done with this’...I’m just too busy to play guessing-game when we’re being restricted to the information they want to give us. I say declare the flight ‘lost’ (insofar as the surviving relatives go) and hopefully those with ‘access’ will figure it out in due time.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 1:00:09 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Aria

“What the hell is United doing hiring such people????”

==

Lawsuits.

Discrimination.

Blah,blah,blah!

Is this a great country,or what?

.


20 posted on 03/18/2014 1:00:18 PM PDT by Mears
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To: don-o
So there’s a huge solid wall out in the ocean for a plane to obliterate on?

At 500 knots the surface of the ocean will play the part of the wall quite nicely.

21 posted on 03/18/2014 1:00:56 PM PDT by BoringGuy
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To: zipper
Veto authority:

Stewie on phone: C'm-o-on.... lemme i-i-n-n!

Co-pilot: "Sorry, Charlie!"

(j/k)

HF

22 posted on 03/18/2014 1:01:59 PM PDT by holden
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To: Uncle Chip
Well, the flight attendants can get in the cockpit. They have a way to access it. I won't give it out over the air.

First thing I picked up on. What's that saying about loose lips?

23 posted on 03/18/2014 1:02:15 PM PDT by McGruff (They say the first casualty of war is truth)
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To: servo1969

“CALLER: I think you need to have an American citizen to be a command pilot of an American carrier. Right now they’re not. You don’t need to be an American citizen to be in command of an American carrier.”

Or to be president, either.


24 posted on 03/18/2014 1:02:27 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Star Traveler
How long were they supposedly at that altitude?

With the cabin pressurization turned off, there's not enough oxygen available at FL450 to remain conscious for very long and probably not enough to live for much longer, depending on one's age and physical condition.

The oxygen concentration is about 21% at sea level and only 6.8% at 29,000'. I don't know the percentage at altitudes greater than that or what is required to live.

Regarding Payne Stewart's Lear, they probably froze to death in their sleep if the oxygen deprivation didn't kill them first.

25 posted on 03/18/2014 1:05:22 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Aria

He could have refused to fly with him. Captain is the lord of his aircraft.


26 posted on 03/18/2014 1:08:39 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: GBA

The Boeing 777 pilot in this interview says there is 20 minutes of oxygen for everyone. The bottom line is that it didn’t ‘t happen as some of these wild-eyed conspiracists are saying ... :-) ...


27 posted on 03/18/2014 1:09:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Resolute Conservative

He chose to be Lord of the cockpit instead.


28 posted on 03/18/2014 1:10:27 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
that's what at least some of us holding to the 45000 foot theory say - not your straw man argument that they would be automatically killed, but that someone in the cockpit deliberately cut off their oxygen to subdue them, which would have been more effective at 45000 feet than at 35000 cruising altitude

The caller is right, there's no magic about going to 45k in terms of pressurization -- it would throw off the cabin altitude schedule (bring the cabin pressure up a little) but would not automatically cause the cabin to depressurize.

45k seems more consistent with a struggle than a deliberate attempt to disable the passengers.

The crew can control the cabin just fine to any elevation up to the current altitude of the airplane, with just a couple of switches, very quickly. So why go to 45k and depressurize? It's overkill, to the point of seriously jeopardizing the hijackers, even with 100% oxygen. Which is why unpressurized aircraft don't fly above 25k in normal operations (yes, that's with breathing 100% oxygen).

29 posted on 03/18/2014 1:10:31 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: GBA

What altitude? Malaysian radar claims it went to 45000. That should not be accepted at face value because the kind of radar needed to accurately determine 45000 is not sitting on Malaysian soil. Yes, without O2, the passengers pass out after their emergency masks run out. The F/As have walk around bottles that could last for a long time. You don’t climb to FL450 to kill people, when FL350 can do it just as well.


30 posted on 03/18/2014 1:11:26 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Resolute Conservative

Dang right. And of everyone on his aircraft too. ;)


31 posted on 03/18/2014 1:12:46 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Star Traveler
Not if they didn't give the passengers oxygen via the overhead masks.

Sure would be a quick way to incapacitate the entire aircraft if you were a hi-tech thief or a hijacker flying for allah.

32 posted on 03/18/2014 1:13:40 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

You’ve been watching too many of those movies ... :-) ...


33 posted on 03/18/2014 1:15:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
The Boeing 777 pilot in this interview says there is 20 minutes of oxygen for everyone

He meant for the passengers. The system is meant to keep them breathing until the airplane can descend to a lower altitude.

34 posted on 03/18/2014 1:15:40 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Tzfat
You don’t climb to FL450 to kill people, when FL350 can do it just as well.

Exactly, same as I was thinking.

35 posted on 03/18/2014 1:17:53 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: don-o

It might as well be a solid wall.

A few feet of water will stop a .50 caliber bullet at 3,000 fps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvSTuLIjRm8


36 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:19 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Star Traveler
Could be, but my response is still true and the plane, crew and passengers are still missing for how long now?

Either it was stolen or it crashed. I'm just thinking through how it could have happened.

37 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:20 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: BoringGuy
At 500 knots the surface of the ocean will play the part of the wall quite nicely.

I still don't buy it.

38 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:39 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: zipper

That’s what I was talking about, too ... the passengers ... as that’s what the question was about, that was directed at me.


39 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: servo1969

>So what will people like you, pilots, what will officials, airlines now tell them going forward? You try to learn from every incident.<

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Be careful not to hire members of the ROP regardless of nationality. Hell, we have had American-born jihadists fighting US Forces in Afghanistan and we have American jihadists in Somalia right now.

An even more troubling scenario is to have muzzies flying or being in command of nuclear-armed US military weaponry.


40 posted on 03/18/2014 1:18:42 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Tzfat

“It is likely bogus”

I had nothing to do with this! Leave me out of it!


41 posted on 03/18/2014 1:21:15 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: don-o

http://www.askamathematician.com/2012/07/q-why-is-hitting-water-from-a-great-height-like-hitting-concrete/


42 posted on 03/18/2014 1:22:02 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: don-o

You’ve never belly flopped in a pool, I see.


43 posted on 03/18/2014 1:22:51 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: GBA

It’s really obvious that the plane was purposefully diverted and it wasn’t some kind of accident. It’s also obvious that whoever is responsible knows quite a bit about flying and that plane.

As to whether we’ll ever find out what happened - we may not - just as we have never found out what happened to that other big airliner that basically disappeared into thin air about ten years ago.

We never found out about that one and it looks like we’re never going to find out about this one either.


44 posted on 03/18/2014 1:23:09 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: GBA

It’s automatic.


45 posted on 03/18/2014 1:23:37 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Aria

We have flooded ourselves with those types since the 60’s.

Are you rassis? :)


46 posted on 03/18/2014 1:24:48 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Jewbacca

+1


47 posted on 03/18/2014 1:26:54 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: Jewbacca
Are you sure? Most systems give the flight crew choices so that they can best deal with whatever emergency presents itself.

If your airplane had an inflight fire at altitude, would you want oxygen deployed?

48 posted on 03/18/2014 1:27:38 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Jewbacca
You’ve never belly flopped in a pool, I see.

No, but I have seen it done. What was left was much larger than a thumb. (Why does that phrase make me think of Bill Clinton?)

49 posted on 03/18/2014 1:27:58 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: bigbob
How come the erratic pitching of the plane to 45K’ and down to 25K’ and so forth and on per ATC transponder only popping out now? I thought the transponders were turned off after co-pilot said “good night?” Normally pilots would say “good night” or “good day” or “roger, so long” if they sign off from departure control frequency after radar separation to air route traffic control center frequency.
50 posted on 03/18/2014 1:28:03 PM PDT by hamboy
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