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Will Steyn now Stick it the O’Sullivan Way to Climate Fraudster Michael Mann?
Principia Scientific International ^ | March 18, 2014 | John O'Sullivan

Posted on 03/23/2014 9:02:04 AM PDT by Twotone

Good news! As I predicted four years ago, alarmist climate scientist, Michael Mann’s gambit of using the courts to silence debate about his faked “hockey stick” graph is backfiring spectacularly. 17 mainstream media outlets now agree Mann should put up or shut up.

(Excerpt) Read more at principia-scientific.org ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: algore; algorewarming; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; marksteyn; marksteyntrial; michaelmann; science; steyn
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1 posted on 03/23/2014 9:02:05 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: JLS

Mark Steyn court case alert...


2 posted on 03/23/2014 9:02:43 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

Mann should be prosecuted worse than Maddof.


3 posted on 03/23/2014 9:07:31 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Twotone

Mann is truly on the horns of a dilemma. If he refuses to reveal his data and methodology then his theory on climate warming becomes suspect.

If he reveals it—and competent scientists can prove the data and methodology are flawed—then the original source of the climate warming argument that it is human intervention that causes warming is destroyed.


4 posted on 03/23/2014 9:11:35 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Twotone

Third option: Mann is taken for a visit to Marcy Park.


5 posted on 03/23/2014 9:17:07 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Twotone.


6 posted on 03/23/2014 9:23:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wildbill

He has a third option - drop the lawsuit.

That’s probably what will happen. Hopefully Steyn can recover his legal fees in that event.


7 posted on 03/23/2014 9:52:10 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Twotone
Mann is a total idiot and really foolish to tangle with the real man, Mark Steyn.

Mann is a bully and thought he could scare Steyn away with threats of a law suit, but much like Br'er Rabbit, Steyn kept pleading not to be thrown into the briar patch. oooppppssss.

The hockey stick is about to become Mann's butt plug {but I repeat the facts}.

8 posted on 03/23/2014 10:00:54 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: wildbill

I thought Mann’s methodology was to cherry-pick the 6% of the samples that represent his desired outcome, and ignore the 94% that don’t? (something on the order 5 of 87 tree ring samples)


9 posted on 03/23/2014 10:16:18 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Twotone

Steyn is going to do his own lawyering in court. Meaning he will verbally decimate Mann when he gets him on the witness stand. There will no mercy because Mann has cost Mark so much money and time.

**** I am trusting Mark Steyn has a lawyer working for him behind the scenes


10 posted on 03/23/2014 11:02:01 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: wildbill
Mann is truly on the horns of a dilemma. If he refuses to reveal his data and methodology then his theory on climate warming becomes suspect.

Mann doesn't have to worry... he could say anything and democrats will still believe him.

11 posted on 03/23/2014 11:06:42 AM PDT by GOPJ (NASA: N othing A bout S pace A nymore - - FreperClearCase_guy)
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To: BigBobber

I think both Ball and Steyn have filed countersuits for damages. Puts Mann in a whole new squeeze, no?


12 posted on 03/23/2014 11:15:20 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Twotone

bttt


13 posted on 03/23/2014 11:20:37 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: wildbill

Another option is that he could be proven correct after a peer review...

Sorry, I couldn’t even type that will a straight face. That option has zero percent chance of being true.


14 posted on 03/23/2014 12:06:46 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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Backfiring spectacularly? I have to say the opposite. Steyn has sunk his case by going Pro Se. He's now been anti-SLAPPed and he's filing weird pseudolegal stuff. A pro se litigant has a fool for a client.
I think it's best summed up by Ken White over at Popehat, though. He's the free speech expert, and he lays it out well:

1) Mark Steyn Has A Fool For A Client
2) Michael Mann Files Anti-SLAPP Motion Against Mark Steyn's Counterclaims
If he refuses to reveal his data and methodology then his theory on climate warming becomes suspect.
Problem is, all of his data AND his methodology has been publicly available for years. You have to download the raw data and apply his formulas yourself, but that satisfies the scientific definition of "released".
He has a third option - drop the lawsuit. That’s probably what will happen. Hopefully Steyn can recover his legal fees in that event.
Nope. See my second link that I just posted - Mann's double-downed on it.
I am trusting Mark Steyn has a lawyer working for him behind the scenes
He does not. He's gone total pro se. And Steyn is refusing any and all offers of assistance so far.
Another option is that he could be proven correct after a peer review...
I do not agree with Mann's conclusions, but his work HAS been independently verified by other climatologists. So either those other climatologists are in on a big conspiracy, or his work is up to snuff. I make no claim to either, myself.
15 posted on 03/23/2014 1:10:23 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: Twotone

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


16 posted on 03/23/2014 1:34:11 PM PDT by abclily
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To: wildbill
Mann is truly on the horns of a dilemma. If he refuses to reveal his data and methodology then his theory on climate warming becomes suspect.

Could we perhaps say he will be. . . "Gored???"

17 posted on 03/23/2014 2:47:32 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: GAFreedom
Problem is, all of his data AND his methodology has been publicly available for years. You have to download the raw data and apply his formulas yourself, but that satisfies the scientific definition of "released".

Actually, no, he hasn't. Much of his data is still hidden. That is one of the primary complaints on his work. . . and even his supporters admit it. Mann claims proprietary privilege. . . that cannot survive discovery.

18 posted on 03/23/2014 2:59:24 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: GAFreedom
Brandon Schollenburger is compiling a list of Michael Mann's egregious errors. . . And frauds:
Here are some items I’m considering for my list, along with a (relatively) short summary for each (in no particular order): The censored directory, misused PCA and other issues tie into that last one, but really, those two paragraphs are all people need to know. That alone, or perhaps in combination with the hiding adverse results, is easily enough for a person to believe Mann’s work was fraudulent.

(Of course, there are other topics to discuss as well. This is just a beginning of a list.)


19 posted on 03/23/2014 3:10:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker
Actually, no, he hasn't. Much of his data is still hidden. That is one of the primary complaints on his work. . . and even his supporters admit it. Mann claims proprietary privilege. . . that cannot survive discovery.
I'm sorry, friend, but you're wrong there. All of the data used for the hockey stick paper published by Mann in 1998 was publicly available data, which can be downloaded right here. That data is the whole enchilada, straight down to the methods and formulas that he used to get his results. Check it yourself.
20 posted on 03/23/2014 3:13:51 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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