Which One Deserves Death? Which One Was Conceived From Rape?

OneVike

[OneVike]

Can you tell the difference?

The original reason many supported abortion, was because of rape or incest. Forty years later less than 1 percent of the more than 1 million abortions in the US, occur because of rape or incest.

Please tell me what the child did to deserve death in those two circumstances, because as far as God is concerned, to support abortion under any circumstance is still murder.

Around the world there has been more than 1.5 BILLION babies have been aborted worldwide in the past 50 years. An estimated 50 million abortions are carried out throughout the world every year. One in five pregnancies worldwide end in abortion. 42% of all deaths in the world every year are from abortion. That means that every two seconds a baby is aborted. That's right, every time your heartbeats an unborn baby is murdered.

And we claim the Roman Empire was barbaric.

Please pray for this genocide to end.

[Tax-chick]

[Tax-chick]

Nice dog! Ash had bone cancer, very common in greyhounds; she died Nov. 1, 2012. The best dog in the world. Once it was diagnosed, there was nothing realistic to do but give her painkillers as long as they worked. If they’d amputated her leg and done chemotherapy, she might have lived another six months.

[DuncanWaring]

Mike Adams on this topic:

“Look Her in the Eye”.

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2014/04/28/look-her-in-the-eye-n1829369

[Altariel]

” And we claim the Roman Empire was barbaric. “

Abortion was also practiced under the Roman Empire, as was neonatal infanticide.

[wmfights]

Given that American blacks have a much larger percentage of abortions than whites, what impact has that had on American racial balances, and is said impact good or bad?

I think it has been a disaster.

The last I saw on this was a headline on Drudge that one third of the pregnancies in Detroit end in abortion.

[wmfights]

So if my Mom could not handle the stigma of carrying me to term, she should have been given the choice to murder me?

Now you are rephrasing what I said to promote your view. It doesn't serve a serious discussion does it?

[wmfights]

As for “too sick” that is like deciding that retarded babies are going to have a bad life, so why bother? Sounds like we are starting to decide when it is too inconvenient, like my old sick dog. God needs to make the decision.

Not what I said.

It seems pretty typical in these type of discussions to paint everything as black and white. You should ask people who have had children with incurable diseases that cause the child to die in excruciating pain. A lot will tell you that they wish they never did that to their child. I'm not talking about babies with Down's Syndrome.

[wmfights]

There is no reason for a baby born with disease or disability to suffer extreme pain --- not with modern pain meds available.

Not even close to the truth. Do a little digging into Tay-Saks and Leukodystrophy's, just to name a couple diseases that are always deadly and incredibly painful.

It is an insult to God, the Lord and Giver of Life, when He says "Baby, live" and you say "No."

No, I'm just pointing out that because this is an incredibly complicated issue it's not black and white. There are a small % of times where abortion is understandable. The left manipulated the public with lies and expanded it's availability. The right fought along a rigid line and we lost badly.

[OneVike]

Yes it does, because I am the product of a rape. So just take what you said about women being raped and forced to live with the shame or trying to live with what happened, is what my mother did.

[OneVike]

Your photo is no longer viewable, but I was able to see it using image information and there are two of them.

Ash I take it is the more grayish white Dane, and the other is Piper.

Beautiful dogs.

Sorry to hear about Ash, I know it had to be painful for you also. How has Piper been doing without his buddy?

The children yours? or are they grandchildren. Not knowing your age is why I ask that way.

[Alamo-Girl]

Well and truly said. I join in your prayer, dear OneVike!

[OneVike]

What you fail to understand is that God and God alone is the one to make decisions of life and death when it comes to innocent humans.

There are many cases of children living with many things we wish they did not have, but to say because we do not want to deal with it is not a proper response as to why a child should be murdered.

I am always amazed at people who think that before a child even has a chance at life, they want to wipe its life away.

Maybe you heard of a man who’s mother was told to abort him or she would die. Obviously she did not pay attention, because Tim Tebow is a testament to a woman who had more faith in God than many people like you do.

There are many incidents like Sarah Palon, maybe you have also heard of her, who was told to abort her Downs Syndrome child. Well we all know how that is going don’t we.

Yes, then there are the cases like Rick Santorum who’s child did not make it, but they allowed God to make the decision.

It all comes down to how much faith you have, and whether ot not you trust God to help or not. I personally allow God to make the tough decisions, because life and death of an innocent human is not part of my job. It’s Gods.

I would hate to be people like you when you meet God. To think you expect to look Him in the eye and to try and convince Him of your point of view of life and death of an innocent human is the height of ignorance.

I put people with your view on the same platform as world leaders making decisions of life and death over political ideas. Good luck on Judgement day, but I am sure your are comfortable with your belief.

As for me, I prefer to err on the side of what God would have us do, and I cannot find anything in the Scriptures that gives me the right to take innocent life.

[wmfights]

If you're not going to bother reading what I posted why post to me?

I can talk to a wall anytime.

[Tax-chick]

Yes, the skinny one is Ash and husky is Piper, who lives with my daughter in New Jersey and just visits here. She and Ash were friends only briefly; Piper would curl up like a little wolf between the long legs!

The children are mine: I’m 47. I don’t know what’s wrong with Photobucket. It used to let me link my pictures.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I am influenced by Barbara Katz Rothman, who wrote

She's neither religious nor pro-life. She does see several important things.

One, is that neonatal pain can be eliminated by induced medical coma, so that the child does not suffer even though he or she has grave medical problems. He or she can still be treated, and compassionately, even when the prognosis is poor.

Second, she says her own mother served in a ward full of Tay-Sachs babies --- this would have been years ago, before they much used the coma option --- and well-experienced the distress and suffering of these babies in their early troubled lives, and their earth deaths. She undersands why these scenes are now vastly uncommon, if not completely unknown: because upon diagnosis of Tay-Sachs, virtually all mother abort their babies. So the Tay-Sachs neonate is deliberately extinct.

Third, she notes that many genetic and chromosomal anomalies have been found to respond to therapeutic intervention which can very much reduce the degree of pain and disability associated with them. Big advances have been made for children challenged by Downs, for isntance; but virtually none for Tay-Sachs, because once the professional judgment is corrupted into choosing "disposal" --- rather than "help and care"--- nobody "wastes" an hour of time of a dollar of research money in order to seek ways to help them. They are destined only for the biohazard bag and the landfill.

Last, she says this attitude has already seeped out and infected every pregnancy: because now, every mother is practically frog-marched into getting prenatal disgnosis (this happened to me: strong pressure to submit to an amniocentesis --- which I refused) --- which amounts to hostile serveillance of the child.

Hostile? Yes: because it's intended to lead to the killing of any child found with a medical challenge.

So it corrupts medicine, corrupts law, and corrupts mothers' and fathers' hearts.

I have an abiding respect for the skill of particularly Jewish medical researchers who have profoundly enlarged our understanding of once-hopeless medical conditions, and have developed the drugs, devices, and surgeries needed to control pain, strengthen function, and enhance life.

I can only think that if these Jewish Tay-Sachs babies had not been killed, by this time constant dedicated efforts would have been rewarded with significant therapeutic interventions.

It is wrong to kill. It is wrong. And if you accept the killing of difficult patients, you become willing to accept death as the cheapest, fastest "therapy" for any patient, any problem.

Life or death -- that's black and white. "Thou shalt not kill" is simple. I didn't say it was easy.

[OneVike]

I used to have the same problem, that is why I now use imgur.

They have a free and pay service. I use the pay, which is but $12 or 414 a year. My wife handles the finances for us so I am not sure if they raised their rates. She is good with numbers and very frugal.

For 27 years we have never been in need regardless how bad things got, and today our total debt is about $3,000 with the house paid off.

As as much as I am told by those who claim to have more understanding of the Scriptures than me, that God calls men to be the ones handling the finances, it seems to me that the Lord thinks otherwise or else he would not bless her with such good stewardship of money.

47, you started late, but better late than never. The Lord has blessed you and your husband with a couple of beautiful children.

God bless.

[jimt]

Sadly, most Libertarians fall into the same trouble.

Actually, the last time I checked, it was quite close to 50/50.

The pro-aborts control the party machinery and allow no variations on the theme.

[Tax-chick]

We started early and continued late. Our oldest is 23 - I was 24 when she was born - and the youngest (of 10) is 2. I was 45 when she was born.

Photobucket works better for my husband. Maybe he’s using the pay version. He does a lot with his pictures.

[OneVike]

God is truly good.

You have been a blessing to both your husband and God. Happy is he who has a quiver-full.

I rejoice when I read of, or meet, couples who gleefully follow the Lord’s first commandment that has never been rescinded. Truth is it was repeated by God as Noah and his family left the Ark after the Flood;

“Be fruitful and multiply”

If Christians in America had been less worried about what the world thinks by faithfully following Lords will, we would be in complete control of the government and schools, because the unbelievers have been limiting their births by contraceptives and aborting their children for the last 40 years.

Sadly, way too many Christians reflect the standards of the world instead of reflecting the standards of Christ. By doing so, they abdicated their position of authority to Satan, and he has destroyed the country.

[OneVike]

Great response.

I like everything you said, but one.

While it is sinful to murder any and all those who are innocent, God never said in the commandment that thou shall not kill.

The proper translation is murder.

It is important that is repeated and properly taught. Otherwise we must accept that God told Moses thou shall not kill, then ordered the Israelite to kill when they entered the promised land. It was murder.

Thus it is OK to murder those guilty of breaking the laws he set down for the Israelites, as it is OK for men to kill others in justifiable wars, and to put to death those the government deems deserves death for certain crimes against humanity.

Everything else you wrote was excellent and I will barrow your knowledge on the matter, but do not allow yourself to buy into the argument that God is against killing.

Otherwise we lose the argument when a pro-abortionist equivocates the practice of putting men to death for crimes with the practice of murdering unborn babies.

Our justifiable response is that death row inmates are guilty of crimes that deserve death, but unborn children are innocent and should never be murdered.