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A collision 4.5 billion years ago nearly destroyed our planet but instead helped start path to life
National Post ^ | June 13, 2014 | Joseph Brean

Posted on 06/15/2014 2:13:49 PM PDT by rickmichaels

Creation stories tend to be outlandish, in keeping with the near impossibility of explaining why the world is the way it is — from the week-long labours of the Old Testament God, to the eternal cycles of the Hindu creator Brahma, to Raven’s metaphysical trickery in Pacific Northwest First Nations tradition.

Fanciful as they are, however, these myths have nothing on modern science, whose creation story — which already involves a mysterious Big Bang, perhaps one of many creations ex nihilo in infinite succession — this week got even weirder.

At a geophysics conference in California, a series of discoveries was announced that show — not for the first time, but in unprecedented detail — the Earth as we know it today was born of a violent collision between two ancient planets, so forceful it reduced both to molten rock and silicate vapour, and nearly blasted both into cosmic smithereens.

“It would have been a very, very bad day for the Earth,” said Sujoy Mukhopadhyay, associate professor in the Earth and Planetary sciences Department at Harvard University. “One potential outcome could have been complete destruction.”

It came close. The cataclysmic meeting of the proto-Earth and the smaller, Mars-sized planet Theia — known as the Big Splash — set the Earth spinning faster than ever, tilted its axis by 23 degrees, and created the moon from the debris that was blasted into orbit.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; lunarorigin; moon; sujoymukhopadhyay

1 posted on 06/15/2014 2:13:49 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

They have footage of that collision. In color.


2 posted on 06/15/2014 2:15:30 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24

Hope they included the 7.1 surround audio for full effect ;^)


3 posted on 06/15/2014 2:17:27 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: rickmichaels

>Theia — known as the Big Splash — set the Earth spinning faster than ever, tilted its axis by 23 degrees, and created the moon from the debris that was blasted into orbit.

Thanks for the tides and the seasons Theia. She must have been hauling tail to not get caught in a solar orbit.


4 posted on 06/15/2014 2:18:05 PM PDT by soycd
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To: rickmichaels

Ahhhh ... but the universe that was non-existent at one time created itself into existence by _____________ (fill in the blank) .... THAT makes more and/or better sense ... right ?


5 posted on 06/15/2014 2:18:37 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: rickmichaels

And all of this happened when a very large boy was playing marbles with a turtle while waiting to get their lizard mom’s car washed.

You see, I can make up stories too.

I often wonder why there is so much concern and dispute about “where” we came from. We are here.

Let’s focus on that.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 2:18:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: rickmichaels

>>a series of discoveries was announced that show — not for the first time, but in unprecedented detail

Science!-tists sez: “Come on guys. Stop believing in God and believe in us! We need grant money more than he does. We made a YouTube video showing how the world was created. Where’s your God’s YouTube videos?”


7 posted on 06/15/2014 2:20:08 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: rickmichaels

G. K. Chesterton: “He who does not believe in God will believe in anything.” This is a glaring example. With no way to prove this, do these silly “scientists” really believe it?


8 posted on 06/15/2014 2:20:42 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: rickmichaels; All
Thank you for referencing that article rickmichaels. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"... but in unprecedented detail ..."

Show me. And I'm not interested in artistic conceptual drawings.

9 posted on 06/15/2014 2:24:20 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: rickmichaels

“...these myths have nothing on modern science...”

True dat.


10 posted on 06/15/2014 2:28:01 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: rickmichaels; All

Well .. I think I’ll stick with the Bible’s version .. after all, GOD is smarter than all of them.

GOD created the human after his own image (GOD is not an amoeba or plant) .. meaning we have a brain and a free will to take on the world’s problems and solve them.

It is up to each individual to educate himself; and to seek out GOD’s wisdom.


11 posted on 06/15/2014 2:33:09 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: knarf

I have yet to hear a logically coherent explanation for the creation of the universe, other than what I read in Genesis.


12 posted on 06/15/2014 2:33:12 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: rickmichaels

Theia?
Isn’t that a song where the girl died, the dude plants a tree and watches it grow, etc?


13 posted on 06/15/2014 2:36:49 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: rickmichaels

A terrible F5 tornado blew through here recently. When I got to the disaster scene I found a table impeccably set with silver, crystal, porcelain China, and starched linens, a five course French dinner on the sideboard, and a 1982 Chateau Margaux waiting alongside. With a pitcher of Manhattans.

What’s the matter, don’t you believe in SCIENCE?


14 posted on 06/15/2014 2:41:12 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus

Science denier /S


15 posted on 06/15/2014 2:45:24 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rickmichaels

The author of this appears to have picked up a dusty copy of Worlds in Collision by Velikovsky. He thinks it’s a new idea. Nothing new under the sun.


16 posted on 06/15/2014 2:58:49 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: rickmichaels

Wow.. Molten lava and silicon vapours.

Talk about glowball varming !!


17 posted on 06/15/2014 2:59:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Resettozero

Well, it’s always good to know we can all be wiped out
by a planetary collision, as if we didn’t have enough to
worry about...


18 posted on 06/15/2014 3:02:17 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: knarf

So where did Microsoft come up with..

Abort, Retry or Fail?

Our cosmic destiny?

Or just another attempt to explain

Sh*t haPPens.


19 posted on 06/15/2014 3:03:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Fungi
I never did like that quote. Not his best. I find it grammatically challenged.

Since there is no official antonym of anything, it is reasonable to think of 'nothing.'

It certainly isn't 'everything,' since both anything and everything(in this case) both mean all things. As in “He who does not believe in God will believe in all things.”

“He who does not believe in God will believe in anything.”

“He who does not believe in God will believe in everything.”

or in logical reverse, one is left with something rather compromising:

He who does believe in God will believe in nothing.

What do you think? (of the grammar....)

20 posted on 06/15/2014 3:09:47 PM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: deadrock

The quote is attributed to him but he said in a number of ways. Check out this link: http://www.chesterton.org/ceases-to-worship/


21 posted on 06/15/2014 3:15:11 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: NormsRevenge

Da floor iz lava!
Da red wunz go faster...


22 posted on 06/15/2014 3:47:43 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: rickmichaels

Since as they say, the Moon is mostly made of Theia, the obvious thing would be that unlike the picture, the two bodies did not hit “head on”, but that Theia hit Earth with an off-center blow, with much of it glancing off to form the Moon. Call it a contest between gravity and momentum.


23 posted on 06/15/2014 3:55:39 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: rickmichaels
A collision 4.5 billion years ago nearly destroyed our planet but instead helped start path to life

. . . only NOW to have Man-induced Global Climate Change certain to doom our world…

24 posted on 06/15/2014 4:03:13 PM PDT by mikrofon (Sci-Fi Bump)
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To: rickmichaels

“Earth and Planetary sciences Department at Harvard University”

A university about as credible as the Onion is for news.


25 posted on 06/15/2014 4:19:48 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: knarf
Ahhhh ... but the universe that was non-existent at one time created itself into existence by _____________ (fill in the blank)

We have the ability to observe and find out. A far better question is why is there something, rather than nothing?

26 posted on 06/15/2014 4:30:55 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

If there was nothing, who would be around to observe it, and what would they observe?


27 posted on 06/15/2014 4:35:41 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

We can see light going back close to the beginning, and that tells about the state and composition of matter and energy in the Universe at that time. We can observe and know the laws of physics, which takes us back to an instant after the beginning. There’s no reason for us to be ignorant.


28 posted on 06/15/2014 4:50:30 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: rickmichaels

bullplop.


29 posted on 06/15/2014 4:52:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Moonman62
prove it ... you can see the sign post, "Antelope Freeway 1 mi" but you can't make it to the exit ??

Antelope Freeway 1/2 mi
Antelope Freeway 1/4 mi
Antelope Freeway 1/8 mi
Antelope Freeway 1/16 mi
Antelope Freeway 1/32 mi
Antelope Freeway 1/64 mi

Thank you Firesign Theater ... circa ... in the days of my youth.

30 posted on 06/15/2014 5:07:03 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: rickmichaels

Did Liberals back then blame Bush?


31 posted on 06/15/2014 5:44:53 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Bryan24

“They have footage of that collision. In color.”

Some of the light emitted from the collision still exists and is still traveling through space about 4.6 billion light years distant from us. If it were possible to collect that light in an observation instrument and resolve it into an image, you could still quite literally make a video recording of the event, and then bring it home to Earth using a transport method that does not require FTL (faster than light) travel such as an Einstein-Rosen Bridge.


32 posted on 06/15/2014 6:13:49 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: knarf
"Ahhhh ... but the universe that was non-existent at one time created itself into existence by _____________ (fill in the blank) .... THAT makes more and/or better sense ... right ?"

It exists. Either it always did, or it came into existence. There is no other option.

33 posted on 06/15/2014 6:16:49 PM PDT by mlo
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To: soycd

“She must have been hauling tail to not get caught in a solar orbit.”

Theia was in a Solar orbit as indicated by the 5km/s collision speed. The orbits of proto-Earth and Theia intersected in the aftermath of the earlier collisions which formed those earlier bodies.


34 posted on 06/15/2014 6:25:08 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: IronJack

“If there was nothing, who would be around to observe it, and what would they observe?”

We are around today to observe the part of the light, radio, X-ray, Gamma-ray, and Cosmic ray energy which is just now arriving after a 4.6 billion year journey through the intervening space. The farther away an object is in space the farther back into time we can observe the events that were taking place when the electromagnetic energy departed the scene of the event. When we observe the star nearest to us, Proxima Centauri, we are observing what the star looked like and was doing about 4.2 years ago; because it took the light from that star about 4.2 years to travel through space and reach us here on the Earth.

When you look up into the sky at night in the general vicinity of the star Betelgeuse and the Orion nebula, there is a fuzzy nebular patch nearby which is the Andromeda galaxy of stars. Like our Milky Way Galaxy, the Andromeda Galaxy is a large spiral galaxy composed of a vast number of stars, dust, and gas. It is located about 2 million light years distant from us. When you stand outside and look at the Andromeda Galaxy, the light coming into your eyes left the Andromeda Galaxy about two million years ago, and that light is only just now arriving here on the Earth where it enters your eyes. This means the events we are now witnessing in the Andormeda Galaxy occurred about 2 million years ago, and we have no way of observing what is occurring in the Andromeda Galaxy at this moment in time.

In fact, when you look at the more than 6,000 stars visible with the naked eye in the night sky, what you are seeing is a composite view of time. This view is not how the Universe exists now at this moment in time. Instead, the view is distorted by the lag in the time it takes for the light to travel to us. Some of the stars seen in the night sky no longer exist at this time. They exploded and are dissipated into clouds of dust and gas splattered across their local space, or they have been torn apart and consumed by a Black Hole singularity. The cataclysmic events that destroyed these stars have not yet been observed on the Earth because the light emitted during these events have not yet traveled across the intervening space to reach us here on the Earth.

It is for that same reason we are able to see events that were taking place in the first hundreds of millions of years of the existence of the Universe, because the light and other electromagentic energies emitted by those events are only just now arriving here on the Earth from those most distant locations.


35 posted on 06/15/2014 6:52:04 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: knarf
Thank you Firesign Theater ... circa ... in the days of my youth.

Firesign Theater is probably much more enjoyable to most people than learning calculus or physics.

36 posted on 06/15/2014 8:30:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
with much of it glancing off to form the Moon. Call it a contest between gravity and momentum.

why doesn't themoon rotate on its axis????seems to me that a glancing hit would create a rotation...

37 posted on 06/15/2014 9:36:12 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Moonman62

almost as much fun as Nick readin’ his name on his office wingow .... Regnad K’cin.


38 posted on 06/16/2014 12:42:53 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: terycarl

“why doesn’t themoon rotate on its axis????seems to me that a glancing hit would create a rotation...”

The Moon does rotate on its axis: one rotation per orbit around the Earth-Luna barycenter. The rotation was formerly different, but the Earth’s gravitational pull on the Moon/Luna locked the rotation down to one rotation per orbit.


39 posted on 06/16/2014 12:51:12 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: reasonisfaith
In church today we sang a song that had the lyrics “He made good things out of dust.”

After the local school shooting (Seattle Pacific University) and seeing the kids faith-filled response; widely covered in the media across the world I thought of them while singing it.

And again think of those lyrics when reading this thread.

I have no problem thinking that for some reason it was beneficial for the earth to be the way it was before it was struck and the moon created. And obviously it is beneficial to have the moon. Life would probably not be here if the moon wasn't the proper size and distance from the earth. (Plus - we get really cool solar eclipses - which of course means the sun is the perfect size and distance too!)

40 posted on 06/16/2014 1:26:24 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Bryanw92

“Science!-tists sez: “Come on guys. Stop believing in God and believe in us! We need grant money more than he does. We made a YouTube video showing how the world was created. Where’s your God’s YouTube videos?”

Insofar as the Universe is God’s Creation, denial of the physical nature of the Universe is also denial of God’s Creation and God.


41 posted on 06/16/2014 1:32:05 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: terycarl

Does the Moon rotate?

The answer is yes. The rotation of the Moon – or a lunar day – lasts around 27.3 days. This is the same amount of time the Moon takes to complete one orbit around the Earth. Because the rotation of the Moon and the length of its orbit are (almost) exactly the same, the Moon always presents the same face to the Earth. However, because of its odd orbital path, at time, Earth can see 8 degrees more East or West of the Moon than is typical.

Another twist: The Moon differs from most satellites of other planets in that its orbit is close to the plane of the ecliptic, and not to the Earth’s equatorial plane.

The Moon’s orbit around the Earth has many irregularities (perturbations). The non-circular form of the lunar orbit causes variations in the Moon’s angular speed and apparent size as it moves towards and away from an observer on Earth.

More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon


42 posted on 06/16/2014 6:59:13 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: 21twelve

That without the curse of evil we cannot have the blessings of good, that both are born of moral law, and that moral law necessitates a moral law Giver are reminders to us all that Mind formed the moon, the earth and the entire universe and this brings great comfort in the face of un-Godly bloodshed like the slaying of students with the assurance that the same Mind who brings his enemies to absolute justice will also bring his children to absolute peace.


43 posted on 06/16/2014 10:12:20 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Thanks rickmichaels. There is evidence which shows that no such impact gave birth to our Moon, and since the birth of the Moon is the only reason such a model was theorized in the first place, poof.

44 posted on 06/22/2014 6:31:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks rickmichaels.

45 posted on 06/22/2014 6:32:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rickmichaels

“Creation stories tend to be outlandish, in keeping with the near impossibility of explaining why the world is the way it is — from the week-long labours of the Old Testament God,....”

The National Compst speaks. The creation of the earth in Genesis is NOT contradicted by this theory nor evolution.

I get spo sick and tired of seeing Judaeo-Christian religious beliefs trashed by the mainstream media and select clique of atheist professors and educators.

Forgetting the God who made us great is a certain way to assure America’s collapse - and they know it.


46 posted on 06/23/2014 7:04:02 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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