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Air Show Math
Vanity | 14 Sept. 2014 | Rey

Posted on 09/14/2014 8:19:53 PM PDT by rey

I home school a young girl. In years past, we have gone to the local air show and done such things as measure the tops and bottom of wings and rotos and figure the ratio or difference between the area of the top of the wing versus the bottom and estimated which wings had more lift than others. We measure how much area the wheels occupied on the ground and consulted with the crew chief what the tire pressure was and calculated the weight of the plane.

In years past we were able to see F18s form a vapor cone around the plane and discussed how pressure can squeeze the moisture out of the air to give us this effect. There won't be any military jets this year, but there will be an Osprey, P38, Corsair from WWII, T38, the helicopter pilot from Red Bull who flips and rolls a helicopter.

Before going we review some physics books and discuss what properties of physics and laws of motion apply. We do a similar thing at the fair; she cannot go on any ride if she cannot name at least two laws of motion that apply. When we watch the planes or fair rides we point out what laws of motion we are witnessing.

My question is this; What other math problems could we review on the static displays or any other happening at the air show? She is 10 and is well into algebra. We have done a little trig when trying to figure target info for various firearms or catapults. WE have done very little calculus, but if someone can outline something well enough we can definitely figure it out.

We are open to any aspect of aeronautics, whether is is mathematics, chemistry, physics, scientific.

There are some very sharp people on this site and wish to thank everyone in advance for their help.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: aeronautics; aerospace; aircraft; airplanes; airshow; aviation; chemistry; engineering; math; mathematics; physics; science; technology
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To: John Valentine
Indeed. I once got into a discussion with someone who challenged by assertion that I could build a plane with NO airfoil at all, just a plank with an angle of attack of about 55 and it would fly.

He laughed at my ignorance of things aeronautical - until I took one of my RC models and fitted it out with a totally flat wing; a slab of balsa, it was, and flew it in front of him.

As a fellow R/C pilot, I need to remind you the Reynolds numbers that our models fly at compared to the Reynolds numbers of full scale aircraft.

Scale-wise, the air is much thicker to our models, and many such tricks as 3D hovering on the prop are easy at our scale, but has rarely been done full scale. (The Pogo being one full scale example.)

That being said, you could have just asked your friend if he's ever witnessed a full-scale aerobatic plane fly inverted. Or knife edge.

61 posted on 09/15/2014 8:07:15 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yosemitest

You didn’t mention the missing trim tab.


62 posted on 09/15/2014 8:53:43 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch
You;re right, sorry.
I thought I had.
I went back and reviewed my comment on that thread and found out I was talking about Tommy Rose's Crash.
63 posted on 09/15/2014 9:00:10 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“I’m impressed getting that far along with a 10 year old girl. “

It is not as though she is well versed in all of this. She can find for the variable and for two variables if the problem is not overly difficult. More advanced work I hold her hand through it.

I think of it this way; our first admiral, Farragut, took command of a captured whaling vessel at the age of fourteen. He had to have a command of navigation (trig) and a command presence. John Adams’ son went with him to France, he was ten or twelve, he had a command of Greek and Latin and would soon learn French. At fourteen he went and served as secretary to the US Ambassador to Russia and was soon fluent in Russian.

I am woefully lacking at getting her up to where she could be, but she is better than most. Some people think I am mean (including her) as we are doing math at the fair and air show while others are running about being fools. I tell her that it is a metaphor for life and the sooner you come to terms with it the better.


64 posted on 09/15/2014 10:59:31 AM PDT by rey
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To: jimfree

“Too bad she has to miss out on the socialization benefits of public school - lowest common denominator education, crime, bullying, and such.”

Thanks. Your comment made me laugh. The socialization issue is one I am hit with all the time, especially from public school teachers. Socializing with whom, I ask? As you say bullying, as I had to cope with, lowest common denominator education as she had to (we are in an area with a lot of migrant labor, and while un PC, it lowers things drastically. The middle school she should be attending is a 55 out of 100 by the state’s admission.)? Certainly socialization is not more important than education; oddly, teachers reluctantly agree. Teachers are horribly shocked when I say that socialization will allow her to know more people in the unemployment line. They are further horrified that we support her playing golf and water polo for three reasons; one many girls’ scholarships go unanswered in these areas; two she meets a better class of people than out on the basketball court, softball and soccer field; and three, she wants to play them. Realistically, the people she will associate with in the future playing golf and polo are more likely to be the people that own businesses and hire. It sounds harsh but is analogous to hanging with your friends at the bar or associating with grad students in the library. The quality of life for one is vastly superior to the other.


65 posted on 09/15/2014 11:11:24 AM PDT by rey
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To: rey

Laminar flow, Reynolds numbers and boundary layer and how it applies to wing shape, materials, construction, speed through the air and the differing effects as they all interact.


66 posted on 09/15/2014 11:31:29 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: rey; Nailbiter

The Doppler effect could be discussed and demonstrated as planes approach and pass, and neatly tied to discussion of weather and how it affects aircraft.


67 posted on 09/15/2014 11:36:06 AM PDT by IncPen (None of this would be happening if John Boehner were alive...)
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To: rey
The Physics of Sailing - KQED QUEST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqwb4HIrORM

Sail a sunfish with her and experience the physics first hand!

68 posted on 09/15/2014 12:56:04 PM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“Keep in mind that lift is about 25% Bernoulli Effect and about 75% displacement depending on the wing cross section.”

THis was a pretty good explanation of what you were talking about.

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/airflylvl3.htm


69 posted on 09/15/2014 2:34:03 PM PDT by rey
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To: Yo-Yo

Indeed, good points.


70 posted on 09/15/2014 5:19:26 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: rey

Nice post.


71 posted on 09/15/2014 5:32:14 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: rey

“...lift is easier to understand if one starts with Newton rather than Bernoulli.”

Bingo!!!!


72 posted on 09/15/2014 8:12:44 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: rey

Then try to explain the region of reverse command. Lots of fun there!


73 posted on 09/15/2014 8:15:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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