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Black Holes Could Get So Humongous, Astronomers Came Up With a New Size Category
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | MICHELLE STARR | 25 JANUARY 2021

Posted on 01/25/2021 8:57:35 AM PST by Red Badger

There are supermassive black holes. There are ultramassive black holes. How large can these strange objects grow? Well, there could be something even bigger than ultramassive: stupendously large black holes, according to the latest research.

Such hypothetical black holes - larger than 100 billion times the mass of the Sun - have been explored in a new paper which names them SLABs, an acronym that stands for "Stupendously LArge Black holeS".

"We already know that black holes exist over a vast range of masses, with a supermassive black hole of 4 million solar masses residing at the centre of our own galaxy," explained astronomer Bernard Carr of Queen Mary University London.

"Whilst there isn't currently evidence for the existence of SLABs, it's conceivable that they could exist and they might also reside outside galaxies in intergalactic space, with interesting observational consequences."

Black holes have only a few somewhat broad mass categories. There are stellar-mass black holes; those are black holes that are around the mass of a star, up to around 100 solar masses. The next category up is intermediate mass black holes, and how large they get seems to depend on who you talk to. Some say 1,000 solar masses, some say 100,000, and others say 1 million; whatever the upper limit is, these seem to be pretty rare.

Supermassive black holes (SMBHs) are much, much larger, on the order of millions to billions of solar masses. These include the SMBH at the heart of the Milky Way, Sagittarius A*, at 4 million solar masses, and the most photogenic SMBH in the Universe, M87*, at 6.5 billion solar masses.

The chonkiest black holes we've detected are ultramassive, more than 10 billion (but less than 100 billion) solar masses. These include an absolute beast clocking in at 40 billion solar masses in the centre of a galaxy named Holmberg 15A.

"However, surprisingly, the idea of SLABs has largely been neglected until now," Carr said.

"We've proposed options for how these SLABs might form, and hope that our work will begin to motivate discussions amongst the community."

The thing is, scientists don't quite know how really big black holes form and grow. One possibility is that they form in their host galaxy, then grow bigger and bigger by slurping up a whole lot of stars and gas and dust, and collisions with other black holes when galaxies merge.

This model has an upper limit of around 50 billion solar masses - that's the limit at which the object's prodigious mass would require an accretion disc so massive it would fragment under its own gravity. But there's also a significant problem: Supermassive black holes have been found in the early Universe at masses too high to have grown by this relatively slow process in the time since the Big Bang.

Another possibility is something called primordial black holes, first proposed in 1966. The theory goes that the varying density of the early Universe could have produced pockets so dense, they collapsed into black holes. These would not be subject to the size constraints of black holes from collapsed stars, and could be extremely small or, well, stupendously large.

The extremely small ones, if they ever existed, would probably have evaporated due to Hawking radiation by now. But the much, much larger ones could have survived.

So, based on the primordial black hole model, the team calculated exactly how stupendously large these black holes could be, between 100 billion and 1 quintillion (that's 18 zeroes) solar masses.

The purpose of the paper, the researchers said, was to consider the effect of such black holes on the space around them. We may not be able to see SLABs directly - black holes that aren't accreting material are invisible, since light cannot escape their gravity - but massive invisible objects can still be detected based on the way space around them behaves.

Gravity, for instance, curves space-time, which causes the light travelling through those regions to also follow a curved path; this is called a gravitational lens, and the effect could be used to detect SLABs in intergalactic space, the team said.

The huge objects also would have implications for the detection of dark matter, the invisible mass that's injecting way more gravity into the Universe than there should be - based on what we can actually directly detect.

One hypothetical dark matter candidate, weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs), would accumulate in the region around a SLAB due to the immense gravity, in such concentrations that they would collide with and annihilate each other, creating a gamma-radiation halo.

And primordial black holes are themselves a dark matter candidate, too.

"SLABs themselves could not provide the dark matter," Carr said. "But if they exist at all, it would have important implications for the early Universe and would make it plausible that lighter primordial black holes might do so."

Also, we couldn't resist calculating the size of a 1 quintillion solar mass black hole. The event horizon would end up over 620,000 light-years across. Uh. Stupendous.

The team's research has been published in the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; blackholes; haltonarp; physics; quasars; science; stringtheory
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1 posted on 01/25/2021 8:57:35 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger
The chonkiest black holes

Scientific term.

2 posted on 01/25/2021 9:01:34 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

I just love technical talk!.................................


3 posted on 01/25/2021 9:02:00 AM PST by Red Badger (TREASON is the REASON for the SLEAZIN'.................................)
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To: Red Badger

Kardasians ?


4 posted on 01/25/2021 9:02:51 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom Hi Dad)
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5 posted on 01/25/2021 9:04:09 AM PST by moovova (Yo GOP....we won't forget.)
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To: Red Badger

We infer the mass of black holes by their event horizon. But what if a black hole can be fluffed up by an explosion of dimensionality within it? Consider that some say our universe could exist within a black hole. What would the rest of the black hole look like to the expanding space within it? Dark matter or dark energy maybe?


6 posted on 01/25/2021 9:04:51 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Red Badger

The universe IS a black hole.


7 posted on 01/25/2021 9:05:30 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Red Badger

They renamed them Deficit


8 posted on 01/25/2021 9:05:37 AM PST by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: Red Badger

Obama-sized


9 posted on 01/25/2021 9:06:36 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: Red Badger

Don’t worry. All the black holes will collapse into one and we’ll have a new big bang to reboot it all.


10 posted on 01/25/2021 9:06:55 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: Red Badger

Don Lemon will add further details to this discovery tonight on CNN.


11 posted on 01/25/2021 9:08:57 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Red Badger
The BHE black hole, the "B.Hussein Ego black hole", so massive it practically takes up the entire universe.


12 posted on 01/25/2021 9:09:25 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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“The thing is, scientists don’t quite know how really big black holes form and grow.”
This is Not Science!!!
This is a theory with No Proof just as “the big bang”.
But yet this is taken as if fact....


13 posted on 01/25/2021 9:10:01 AM PST by Pez149 (Time to stop saying a theory is fact....)
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To: Red Badger; Army Air Corps
That is one THICC Milky Way Galaxy!
14 posted on 01/25/2021 9:10:10 AM PST by KC_Lion
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To: Red Badger

The hole size is in direct proportion to the funding wanted!


15 posted on 01/25/2021 9:18:21 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Red Badger

Can’t get any bigger than ObungHOLE.


16 posted on 01/25/2021 9:20:13 AM PST by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Red Badger

This should get interesting. Will check back later assuming the thread is still up.


17 posted on 01/25/2021 9:24:05 AM PST by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: Red Badger

How about we just call them “Big un’s?”


18 posted on 01/25/2021 9:26:43 AM PST by sauropod (#RecallMcConnell. #Resist. #NotMyPresident.)
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To: Red Badger

“Great Society” class.


19 posted on 01/25/2021 9:27:55 AM PST by bakeneko
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20 posted on 01/25/2021 9:28:00 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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