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Catastrophe and Cartography - Ice Age Floods Visualized
YouTube ^ | February 3, 2022 | Peter Zelinka

Posted on 02/08/2023 10:49:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Catastrophe and Cartography - Ice Age Floods Visualized
Peter Zelinka | 74.7K subscribers | 1,368,124 views | February 3, 2022
Catastrophe and Cartography - Ice Age Floods Visualized | Peter Zelinka | 74.7K subscribers | 1,368,124 views | February 3, 2022
(author note:) Since we are covering numerous controversial topics in this video, I wanted to be sure and include lots of links for you to do your own research on. One of the most important points to keep in mind though, is that water and erosion are scale-invariant. In other words we can see the same shapes and patterns, but on radically different scales. The small current ripples that you see along the creek can be found at West Bar Ripples in Washington, but these are orders-of-magnitude larger!

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: cartography; catastrophism; epicpostingfail; glaciation
Transcript
0:00it's been almost four months now without
0:02a single clear night here in washington
0:04and obviously that doesn't give me a lot
0:05of chance to do astrophotography which
0:07is why i haven't really been too active
0:09here on youtube lately hopefully you've
0:11had some clear nights where you're at
0:12and you've been getting some great shots
0:14in the meantime though i've been doing a
0:15lot of research on some different topics
0:17these last few months and one of the
0:19most interesting was just some basic
0:21geology and geography and that's going
0:23to be the focus of our video today i
0:26wanted to show you some of the amazing
0:27landscapes here with the help of this
0:30map from the usgs this is their national
0:33map viewer i think i'll have a link for
0:35in the video description below if you
0:36want to follow along but with the help
0:38of their elevation tinted hill shade
0:41try saying that three times fast this
0:43allows us to really see the underlying
0:45landscapes that would otherwise be
0:47obscured by foliage and vegetation and
0:50buildings and all that and once you
0:51start to understand how much the planet
0:54has changed especially in the last 15
0:56000 years this brings a whole new
0:58dimension to what you're looking at with
1:00that said i'd highly recommend you spend
1:03some time if you're interested in this
1:04kind of thing looking up randall carlson
1:07on youtube he's kind of the leader in
1:09this field and he's got a lot of really
1:11detailed videos probably 100 hours worth
1:14here on youtube at least that gets into
1:16the really important details of
1:18everything we're going to look at today
1:19in this video though i just want to
1:21focus on the basic things we can
1:22actually see here in the map as you'll
1:24start to notice you don't need to have a
1:25degree in geology or geography to see
1:28what's going on here and the key thing
1:30you want to keep in mind as we're
1:31looking at the map is that all of these
1:33landscapes were radically altered
1:35between about 15 to 10 000 years ago
1:38during this time frame the global
1:40climate got both considerably warmer and
1:42then considerably colder and warmer
1:44again indicating multiple catastrophic
1:47events again i would refer you to
1:49randall carlson's videos for more
1:51information but essentially what
1:52happened is that
1:54about 12 000 13 000 years ago
1:57all of canada practically was covered in
2:01over a mile thick of ice in some spots
2:03almost two miles thick of ice and all of
2:06that ice melted fairly rapidly due to
2:08some type of global cataclysm
2:11some people are saying it's a comet
2:12which would make a lot of sense others
2:14think it has something to do with the
2:16sun
2:16i would argue it's probably both based
2:18on the evidence so far and as you're
2:20going to see here we can actually see
2:22the effects of this catastrophic climate
2:25change just by looking at the map
2:27i'd also recommend checking out the
2:29comet research group's website that
2:30we're looking at now they've got a lot
2:32of cogent information here that really
2:34explains the whole comet impact theory
2:37and it really is a great starting point
2:39for your own research
2:54[Music]
2:56anyway now would be a good time to get
2:57back to the map i'll just start with
2:59some areas that i'm actually familiar
3:00with having lived in them and traveled
3:02through them over the years and one of
3:04the most popular is the one that randall
3:06really focuses on in fact we did a
3:08workshop with him in september we went
3:10out to the scab lands and he showed us
3:11around and we got to see these
3:13landscapes in person the footage you're
3:15watching now was captured by two of the
3:17guys on our trip milo and casey and i'd
3:19highly recommend watching their video if
3:21you want to learn more about these
3:22landscapes we can see right here we're
3:24in
3:25the border of washington up here in
3:27oregon down here we have what's called
3:29wallula gap
3:30the green is the more depressed area
3:33which means there was a lot of erosion
3:34there and this was all caused by the
3:36massive flood waters coming off of the
3:39melting ice sheets up in canada this
3:42video we're watching now is one of the
3:44best examples to showcase the scale of
3:47these floods
3:48and if you go through and read some of
3:49the native american myths from this
3:51region they all talk about this massive
3:53wall of water and these floods and this
3:56gives you the perfect context for what
3:58they're talking about
4:04[Music]
4:05and you have to keep in mind that this
4:07water is filled with sediment and rocks
4:09and boulders and trees and even massive
4:12icebergs carrying boulders with them and
4:15all this stuff reaches this narrow
4:17little constriction the water starts to
4:19back up and pond and that's what we see
4:21over here and also out over this way
4:26then
4:27as it pulsed through this narrow little
4:29gap it continued down the columbia river
4:31gorge all the way out to the pacific
4:33ocean near astoria in fact there was so
4:36much water coming through here
4:38that this whole region here down to
4:40eugene
4:42was kind of like a back flood so he had
4:44so much water just pulled all the way
4:46down to here and then eventually went
4:49out
4:49believe it or not they even found a
4:51chunk of a meteorite in the willamette
4:53valley that we just looked at and as
4:55they mentioned
4:56on wikipedia which i'm not saying is
4:58reliable but they say right here that it
5:00is the largest meteorite found in the
5:02united states there was no impact crater
5:04at the site which led them to believe
5:06that the meteorite landed in canada or
5:09montana and was transported as a glacial
5:11erratic during the missoula floods at
5:13the end of the last ice age just as we
5:15talked about as you're starting to
5:17visualize all this in your mind you can
5:19imagine that there's millions of
5:21icebergs floating on these flood waters
5:23and inside of these icebergs some have
5:25large boulders and in this case a
5:27meteorite
5:29this video here was taken in new
5:30hampshire and i thought it was a great
5:32visual in regards to the wallula gap
5:34floods because at woolula gap that's
5:37where a lot of the water got stuck at
5:38and began to back up so this is a great
5:41visual to show you how when the water is
5:43filled with ice
5:45not to mention the trees and rocks and
5:46icebergs and all that it really
5:48changes the dynamics of those floods and
5:52this just helps to give you a sense of
5:54scale
5:55if we look at this video here
5:57this also reveals an important point
6:00when that narrow gap got constricted and
6:03filled with icebergs and rocks and trees
6:06eventually the pressure got so intense
6:08that the floods started to back up and
6:10go in the reverse direction
6:12there's actually stratigraphic proof
6:15that shows that this happened during
6:17those ice age floods the current of the
6:19rivers reversed because there is so much
6:22water trying to get through a narrow
6:23area
6:24and then as these icebergs and rocks and
6:26trees get forced through that gap every
6:28so often the water gushes down
6:31these floods clear out a little bit but
6:33then there's another constriction and
6:35this keeps happening over and over again
6:37which leaves us a lot of really
6:38interesting evidence throughout the scab
6:40lands
6:42if we follow these
6:44original features further north we can
6:46see that they tend to go straight up
6:48into canada
6:50and this is an area where we have this
6:52confrontation between the more
6:55uniformitarian mindset and the
6:57catastrophist mindset the current
6:59mainstream theory is that all of the
7:01erosion we're seeing in the channel scab
7:03lands was caused by glacial lake
7:05missoula catastrophically flooding out
7:08what they say is that glacial lake
7:09missoula would fill up with water in
7:11fact so much water that would be the
7:13size of lake erie and lake ontario
7:15combined just to give you some idea and
7:17when all this water would fill up it
7:19would get stuck at the purcell trench
7:20load near sandpoint idaho eventually the
7:23pressure would become so strong that it
7:24would burst through the ice dam and then
7:26flood out through the scab lands and
7:28cause all the erosion and the main
7:29reason they came up with this idea is
7:31because we can see similar events
7:32happening in iceland today but there's
7:34two big problems with this theory the
7:36first is that they're saying this event
7:38happened over 40 times in a row in the
7:41span of a few thousand years that means
7:43glacier lake missoula would have to fill
7:45all the way up the ice dam would come
7:47down block it off it would burst through
7:50the ice dam is now gone the lake drains
7:53the lake fills up again
7:55the ice dam reforms and this just
7:57happens over and over and over again and
7:59when you look through the climate
8:00history and just look at the physics it
8:02doesn't make a lot of sense the other
8:04problem is that they tend to ignore all
8:06of these ice sheets north of the scab
8:09lands for some reason and they still
8:11attribute all of this erosion for the
8:12most part to glacial lake missoula not
8:15the ice sheets due north of it melting
8:16and catastrophically flooding out and
8:18this is why this map is so great because
8:20we can see with our own eyes that
8:22there's all these mountain valleys that
8:24must have been filled with melting water
8:26and ice pouring down into the scab lands
8:28if we trace all of these valleys back to
8:30their central location we find a very
8:32odd flattened out area in the midst of
8:34the rockies this is where prince george
8:37is at today and this would lead us to
8:38believe that maybe something happened
8:40here during the ice age
8:42therefore the logical assumption would
8:44be that there was some maybe some sort
8:46of impact right here into the ice sheets
8:48and again you can imagine if there's a
8:50mild thing of ice you're not going to
8:51have a big crater beneath that
8:52necessarily as the ice would absorb most
8:54of that impact and then melt
8:57and this is one of the things that
8:58randall has spent the last 20 years
8:59investigating and trying to find
9:01evidence that would suggest that a lot
9:04of these scab-lance floods started up
9:06near prince george getting stuck at
9:08certain points and creating these
9:10massive ponds
9:11and then flowing out to the pacific
9:14ocean
9:15another interesting side note is that
9:16the channeled scab lands we've been
9:18talking about here is mainly composed of
9:21basalt this basalt was extruded from the
9:23earth i think 16 to 10 million years ago
9:26somewhere in that range and that alone
9:28is mind-boggling because as you're
9:30driving through these landscapes you're
9:31seeing the erosion but it's happening on
9:33top of this really hard volcanic rock
9:36that's just piled for hundreds if not
9:38thousands of feet high it's really hard
9:40to comprehend what you're seeing
9:43and that leads me to an interesting
9:44theory about how the yellowstone super
9:46volcano formed one of the leading
9:48theories that i've heard is that the
9:50yellowstone caldera was caused millions
9:53of years ago by a very high energy
9:55impact with an asteroid this asteroid
9:57must have been very dense and moving at
9:59a really high speed just straight into
10:01the earth think of it like getting shot
10:03with a rifle then as the earth began to
10:06bleed from this wound it was extruding
10:08all this magma through this region right
10:10here in southern idaho speaking of which
10:13the craters of the moon national
10:15monument is a great place to stop if you
10:17are traveling through southern idaho
10:20and essentially what happened is after
10:21our earth got shot by this asteroid if
10:24you will
10:25the continental crust moved very slowly
10:27over millions of years and that left
10:29this scar right here the wound itself i
10:32don't think is technically moved because
10:33it's part of the lower portion of the
10:35earth and now it resides under
10:37yellowstone and that's what all that
10:39talk about the super volcano blowing up
10:41could relate to is that it had its
10:43origins and another catastrophic impact
10:46that's just one interesting theory that
10:47i've heard that explains this feature
10:49right here
10:51and right now we're looking at something
10:52that most people couldn't even conceive
10:54of the power of this one singular event
10:56and all the erosion it's caused in this
10:58little corner of northwestern america
11:02and southwestern canada but if we
11:05go over here
11:06we'll see similar original features
11:09you know if you've ever been to a stream
11:11or the beach
11:12you can almost start to see how the
11:14water just came pouring down these
11:16valleys and carved these immense
11:19channels that nowadays we can't even see
11:21without the help of maps like this
11:24and in this region they had what was
11:26called glacial lake agassi which again
11:29if i'm not mistaken was basically a
11:31giant melt water
11:32pond at one point or another that
11:35drained out ultimately down through the
11:37mississippi river
11:39which
11:40really seemed to have taken most of the
11:42flooding from central
11:44and eastern united states and of course
11:46up into canada and if we zoom in here
11:48you can see things a bit better just all
11:50the different flood channels coming down
11:53converging on the mississippi river and
11:55then pouring out into the gulf of mexico
11:57another thing to keep in mind is that
11:59we're only seeing the most recent events
12:01because if you're going to have a
12:02massive flood like this
12:04on a continent-wide scale it's going to
12:06completely obliterate
12:08a lot of the previous
12:11features of the landscape just from the
12:13sheer erosion if we go to the
12:15adirondacks up here which is a great
12:17place to explore we can also see that
12:20there is clearly a lot of water flowing
12:22through what is now lake champlain
12:24another factor to consider is isostasy
12:27this is when you have miles of ice
12:30pressing down on the earth the ice melts
12:32and now the earth is rebounding and
12:34actually rising in elevation
12:37this would also affect how the water was
12:40moving in and out during these chaotic
12:42times
12:43also the finger lakes which are well
12:45known
12:46these
12:47were potentially caused by if you
12:50imagine you had the ice sheet kind of
12:52ending right here and then you would
12:54have these very high pressure
12:56sub-glacial flows underneath the ice and
12:59this would over time carve out those
13:01finger lakes
13:03in fact just north of the finger lakes
13:06we have what are called drumlands and
13:08these are a pretty
13:10interesting erosional feature the
13:13drumlins indicate that again this was
13:16all under the ice and as the water was
13:19flowing underneath the glaciers it was
13:21subject to very high pressure and it
13:24caused these really interesting
13:25landforms that are still visible today
13:27with the help of these maps
13:29and we see almost identical drumlands
13:31over near where i'm living now in
13:33washington
13:34notice how they just kind of fill up
13:36this whole area and give us an idea of
13:38where the southern edge of the ice
13:40sheets used to be so here's the drumlins
13:43in new york let's take a look at them
13:45over in washington next right now we're
13:47looking at the puget sound area
13:49seattle's up over here olympia would be
13:52down here tacoma
13:54and the drumlins here aren't as
13:56noticeable i guess you could say but
13:57when we get a little bit better
13:58resolution we'll be able to see that
14:00this whole area shows these vertical
14:02streaks which again are the drumlins
14:05associated with really high pressure
14:07water running underneath the glaciers
14:09and in fact this whole area really
14:11showcases what happened
14:14again about 12 000 to 11 000 years ago
14:17with that catastrophic melting another
14:19thing you want to keep in mind is that
14:21sea levels were 400 feet lower
14:24during the ice age and the reason for
14:26that is because a lot of the water was
14:27locked up in these gigantic ice sheets
14:30covering canada as those miles and miles
14:32of ice melted that was enough to raise
14:34global sea level about 400 feet in a
14:37surprisingly short amount of time
14:40and we can't forget about the ice sheets
14:42in northern europe there's a lot of
14:44evidence that shows that these
14:45catastrophically melted as well probably
14:48during the same time frame
14:51[Music]
14:58we're jumping around again this time
15:01we're in the border of arizona and utah
15:04we have the grand canyon right here
15:06and this is arguably one of the most
15:08interesting areas to notice the erosion
15:10if you know what you're looking at i did
15:12another workshop with randall in may and
15:14this was a southwestern trip and we went
15:17from flagstaff arizona all the way up to
15:20moab and back and along the way we saw
15:23really clear evidence of massive
15:25rainfall that scoured this desert
15:27landscape
15:28most likely around the time of the
15:30younger dryas
15:32it doesn't show up too well here on the
15:34tinted hillshade map
15:36but i'll probably do a separate video if
15:38anybody's interested where i show you
15:40the photographic and google map evidence
15:42that really drives home these points of
15:45just unfathomable rainfall in the desert
15:48of course 12 000 years ago the climate
15:50of the southwest was probably quite a
15:52bit different than it is today
15:54and if we go up into canada
15:56we can see the final remains of the
15:59flooding as the ice sheets melted away
16:01again we have these streamlined
16:03erosional features but these are massive
16:05you know this isn't just some little
16:06thing at the beach these are just really
16:08huge
16:09areas of canada
16:11just completely stripped through and
16:13nobody would have any idea because now
16:14it's just covered in forests and
16:15prairies and plains and you can't really
16:17make sense of it unless you see it with
16:19the tinted hill shade which is another
16:20nice benefit of our modern technology
16:22even up over here we can see
16:25the remains of these flood areas
16:27reaching out
16:29and just taking out everything along
16:31with it i think it's pretty obvious that
16:33we had multiple catastrophic events
16:35happen from the balling allorod to the
16:37younger driest and all the evidence
16:39backs that up from a mass extinction of
16:42animals across the globe
16:44to sea levels rising 400 feet
16:47to the
16:48mile thick ice sheets across all of
16:50canada melting within just a few hundred
16:52years clearly that's going to have some
16:54impacts on the planet and the erosion
16:57that we see here would obviously tie
16:58right into that
17:00but that's really all i wanted to talk
17:01about today i really just wanted to let
17:03you guys know this resource is here
17:04because i personally think it's
17:05fascinating just come in here
17:07and spend however long you want just
17:09looking at all the erosion maybe where
17:11you live and get an idea of what might
17:12have happened during these chaotic times
17:15and if you want to learn more about this
17:17i'll have links to randall carlson's
17:18page he's really the the main guy
17:20talking about this from what i've seen
17:21and he does a really good job of laying
17:23it all out well i hope you guys enjoyed
17:25this radically different video and i
17:27might do one or two more videos if you
17:29guys are interested showing you some of
17:31my photos that i've taken living on the
17:33road the last few years and now that i
17:34have some more context to put these
17:37really cool landscapes of the southwest
17:39in with the global changes that we've
17:42experienced within the last 15 000 years
17:45so thanks for watching and i'll see you
17:47guys hopefully in another video
17:50[Music]
18:02[Music]
18:10[Music]
18:32you

1 posted on 02/08/2023 10:49:33 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AnalogReigns; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
I haven't watched this yet, btw.



2 posted on 02/08/2023 10:50:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for posting the transcript.

Did you know that YouTube now has an option to toggle off the timestamps of the transcript? It’s hidden in the vertical three dots in the upper right of the transcript window.


3 posted on 02/08/2023 10:54:46 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: SunkenCiv

At first I thought these were Bible verses.


4 posted on 02/08/2023 11:04:37 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: SunkenCiv

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5 posted on 02/08/2023 4:19:23 PM PST by wintertime ( Behind every government school teacher stand armed police.( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!))
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To: SunkenCiv

How many cats constitute a catastrophe?


6 posted on 02/08/2023 4:55:32 PM PST by Redcitizen
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To: SunkenCiv

I have traversed the scablands from the Wallula Gap to the Grand Coulee Dam, and everything I have seen fits the basic narrative of megafloods. The details of the theory will no doubt be refined over time, but the basic thesis appears undeniable. Anyone who doubts the possibility of a Great Flood of Biblical proportion, just pay a visit to eastern Washington state.


7 posted on 02/08/2023 5:13:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Me too, I did some of the same hikes.


8 posted on 02/08/2023 9:06:45 PM PST by Glad2bnuts ("People who didn't take take the Jab have -0- regrets, those who did may be SADS.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The channeled scablands were formed by the failure of an ice dam that released a huge meltwater glacial lake. It wasn’t a worldwide event.


9 posted on 02/08/2023 10:39:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Redcitizen

I think a catastrophe is actually a punctuation mark invented by and used by cats when they’re writing messages to each other as they bury their, uh, business.


10 posted on 02/08/2023 10:40:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I am aware, just not interested in using it.


11 posted on 02/08/2023 10:42:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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